GoldenColt 1 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 KRTheIceman said: he was always the fastest guy out there before 2009. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator MBKF1 91 Posted August 9, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2014 Nah, just kidding, but I seriously don't think that Raikkonen was the fastest guy before 2009. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KRTheIceman 0 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Is anyone going to explain why he wasn't? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 He got beaten by Massa in their qualifying-duel in 2007 and 2008. Beaten by Massa. Massa. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KRTheIceman 0 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Massa is quick in quali, but he's slow in the race. He beat Alonso quite a few times in quali, but in the race he was always miles behind. Even look at Bottas and Massa now, take away bad luck and you can see that Massa is good in quali, but the points Bottas has scored show how inconsistent Massa is in the races. This is also pre-accident Massa.Not slow but just not as quick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 KRTheIceman said: Massa is quick in quali, but he's slow in the race. He beat Alonso quite a few times in quali, but in the race he was always miles behind. Even look at Bottas and Massa now, take away bad luck and you can see that Massa is good in quali, but the points Bottas has scored show how inconsistent Massa is in the races. This is also pre-accident Massa. Massa vs Raikkonen, 2007-Hungarian GP 2009Massa 25, Raikkonen 20Massa vs Alonso, 2010-2013Massa 19, Alonso 58(!!!)I rest my case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mexicola 10 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Not taking sides on this matter, but that's Alonso you're talking about here. You know, one of the greatest drivers of all time and certainly the best on the grid? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KRTheIceman 0 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Mexicola said: Not taking sides on this matter, but that's Alonso you're talking about here. You know, one of the greatest drivers of all time and certainly the best on the grid? I can't remember that being debated at any stage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator f1since08 110 Posted August 9, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2014 KRTheIceman said: Mexicola said: Not taking sides on this matter, but that's Alonso you're talking about here. You know, one of the greatest drivers of all time and certainly the best on the grid? I can't remember that being debated at any stage. That's because it isn't a debate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator MBKF1 91 Posted August 9, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2014 KRTheIceman said: Is anyone going to explain why he wasn't? Well, he got beaten by Massa in the 2008 world championship, but quite a way. You said that 'Massa's quick in quali, but he's slow in the race', but 2008 season doesn't support that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mexicola 10 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 KRTheIceman said: Mexicola said: Not taking sides on this matter, but that's Alonso you're talking about here. You know, one of the greatest drivers of all time and certainly the best on the grid? I can't remember that being debated at any stage. Colt's saying that in terms of Qualifying results Massa out performed Raikkonen slightly, but crushed by Alonso. I'm saying it's not that valid of an argument if you're going to compare Alonso, who is an all time great, and Raikkonen, who, with all due respect, is not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 KRTheIceman said: Mexicola said: Not taking sides on this matter, but that's Alonso you're talking about here. You know, one of the greatest drivers of all time and certainly the best on the grid? I can't remember that being debated at any stage. Didn't you kind of debate exactly this by saying that Kimi was the fastest guy out there before 2009? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KRTheIceman 0 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I'm going to step out of this, it's becoming an Alonso circlejerk. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I can only speak for myself but trashing Kimi is a lot more of a motivation for me. :p Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mexicola 10 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 #topstep Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mexicola 10 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 #overshadowing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mexicola 10 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 alonso: here mate aye'll be faster dan u lolkimi: lol i no Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KRTheIceman 0 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Alonso blocked me on Twitter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AMSKRR 3 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Massa was quick pre Hungary 2009, and there are various rumours that Kimi's 2008 season was sabotaged. Whether you believe them or not is your choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mexicola 10 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 AMS97KRR said: there are various rumours that Kimi's 2008 season was sabotaged Rubbish. I've never heard any rumours before in my life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator MBKF1 91 Posted August 9, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2014 That's 100% rubbish for me. Why would Ferrari do that? Why would they sabotage his season, just after he won the title for them the previous season, and the constructors championship, they'd ruin their chances at that.Sorry, that's a load of codswallop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afrodude41 0 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 "codswallop" hahahaha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 So they would pay Kimi 20+ mio. only to make sure he won't win the championship.Makes perfect sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yugin96 0 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 http://twitter.com/Pundamentalism/status/498373420523212800 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator f1since08 110 Posted August 10, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2014 GoldenColt said: So they would pay Kimi 20+ mio. only to make sure he won't win the championship.Makes perfect sense. They paid him 10 million not to race at all :p Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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