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APR193 said:
The big question will soon be, Ferrari or Red Bull for Lewis next year?
Don't see Lewis leaving Mercedes when their leading the championship.
If Mercedes have sense he won't have a choice. In my opinion they have to get rid of one of them, and with Rosberg recently having signed a deal it will more than likely be a cheaper option for Mercedes to get rid of Lewis than to pay Nico's contract off. Can't see them being silly enough to keep both of them unless things massively get better very quickly
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People said Webber/Vettel wouldn't work after Turkey 2010, worked 3 more years.
Apart from that, Mercedes are keen on keeping Lewis for obvious reasons (his pace, his marketing-value, etc.). People talking Lewis out of Mercedes are doing it for two reasons: Either they want their favourite driver to join a team which might dominate F1 for the next few years, or they simply want Lewis out of a team which might dominate F1 for the next few years.
Sorry to crush your hopes, but Lewis leaving Mercedes before or even after 2015 isn't going to happen.
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People said Webber/Vettel wouldn't work after Turkey 2010, worked 3 more years.
Apart from that, Mercedes are keen on keeping Lewis for obvious reasons (his pace, his marketing-value, etc.). People talking Lewis out of Mercedes are doing it for two reasons: Either they want their favourite driver to join a team which might dominate F1 for the next few years, or they simply want Lewis out of a team which might dominate F1 for the next few years.
Sorry to crush your hopes, but Lewis leaving Mercedes before or even after 2015 isn't going to happen.
I don't have a favourite driver, and I don't care if Lewis drives for a dominant team, I just don't see Mercedes wanting both drivers in the team any longer than they need to be. With the car they have Mercedes could easily attract drivers just as capable as Lewis is, so Mercedes wanting to keep Lewis because of his pace isn't an issue. That being said I think Mercedes would much rather get rid of Nico, but would they rather get rid of Lewis than pay Nico's brand new contract out.
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I think they'll stay, why would you leave Mercedes now? Like GoldenColt said, Vettel-Webber worked for 3 more years after their initial clashes in 2010, they became one of the most successful partnerships in F1. Mercedes wont force either one out, and I doubt either one will leave. If Lewis leaves, he is throwing away a 2nd/3rd title.
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Red Bull worked for a few more years because after 2010 Webber was rarely a challenge for Vettel. Vettel clicked with Pirelli tyres and Webber didn't, they were very closely matched until 2011. Without any big change coming in anytime soon like the switch to Pirelli, you have to assume Hamilton/Rosberg will be as close as they have been more or less every year they are team mates.
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Difference is, Vettel and Webber aren't like spoiled children to the extent of Shamilton and Tossberg, and their rivalry is much more personal. Vettel and Webber wasn't much past. "Ah, he's a right tosser, innhe?". Lewis and Nico really hate each other. It's simply not sustainable.
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I really doubt either Shamilton or Tossberg are going to leave Merc. Both are so competitive that it would be silly to leave. No other team is in a real position yet to challenge Merc so they'd be taking such a gamble that probably won't pay off.

Also if Hamawamadingdong does leave he'd look foolish from a publicity stand point. He came to Merc to build and develop a team, leaving because your teammate is just as fast doesn't accomplish that. In fact it makes it look like he didn't really care about building a team, he just wanted to walk into a team and have them give him priority status and a WDC.
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I really doubt either Shamilton or Tossberg are going to leave Merc. Both are so competitive that it would be silly to leave. No other team is in a real position yet to challenge Merc so they'd be taking such a gamble that probably won't pay off.

Also if Hamawamadingdong does leave he'd look foolish from a publicity stand point. He came to Merc to build and develop a team, leaving because your teammate is just as fast doesn't accomplish that. In fact it makes it look like he didn't really care about building a team, he just wanted to walk into a team and have them give him priority status and a WDC.
NO.
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I really doubt either Shamilton or Tossberg are going to leave Merc. Both are so competitive that it would be silly to leave. No other team is in a real position yet to challenge Merc so they'd be taking such a gamble that probably won't pay off.

Also if Hamawamadingdong does leave he'd look foolish from a publicity stand point. He came to Merc to build and develop a team, leaving because your teammate is just as fast doesn't accomplish that. In fact it makes it look like he didn't really care about building a team, he just wanted to walk into a team and have them give him priority status and a WDC.
Sounds a lot like Alonso and McLaren does it not? And no-one cares about that anymore, he's widely considered to be the best there is now.
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I really doubt either Shamilton or Tossberg are going to leave Merc. Both are so competitive that it would be silly to leave. No other team is in a real position yet to challenge Merc so they'd be taking such a gamble that probably won't pay off.

Also if Hamawamadingdong does leave he'd look foolish from a publicity stand point. He came to Merc to build and develop a team, leaving because your teammate is just as fast doesn't accomplish that. In fact it makes it look like he didn't really care about building a team, he just wanted to walk into a team and have them give him priority status and a WDC.
He wouldn't be leaving because his teammate is just as fast. He'd be leaving cos his teammate is a cock.
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I really doubt either Shamilton or Tossberg are going to leave Merc. Both are so competitive that it would be silly to leave. No other team is in a real position yet to challenge Merc so they'd be taking such a gamble that probably won't pay off.

Also if Hamawamadingdong does leave he'd look foolish from a publicity stand point. He came to Merc to build and develop a team, leaving because your teammate is just as fast doesn't accomplish that. In fact it makes it look like he didn't really care about building a team, he just wanted to walk into a team and have them give him priority status and a WDC.
He wouldn't be leaving because his teammate is just as fast. He'd be leaving cos his teammate is a cock.
Maybe but it would only appear that he's leaving because he couldn't compete with Tossberg. I'm not saying it's the wrong move for him, it just will make him look whiny.
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I don't even know why this is being discussed. Hamilton won't be leaving Mercedes at the end of the year. If their relationship deteriorates even more by Abu Dhabi they will have around 4 months of cooling down time. By next March things will be fine between them, or at least to the point that they wouldn't hate each other. Next years events will determine whether things kick off again, but thats looking too far ahead atm.
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APR193 said:
Red Bull worked for a few more years because after 2010 Webber was rarely a challenge for Vettel. Vettel clicked with Pirelli tyres and Webber didn't, they were very closely matched until 2011. Without any big change coming in anytime soon like the switch to Pirelli, you have to assume Hamilton/Rosberg will be as close as they have been more or less every year they are team mates.
Had nothing to do with the tyres it was the EBD that made Vettel unstoppable.
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Red Bull worked for a few more years because after 2010 Webber was rarely a challenge for Vettel. Vettel clicked with Pirelli tyres and Webber didn't, they were very closely matched until 2011. Without any big change coming in anytime soon like the switch to Pirelli, you have to assume Hamilton/Rosberg will be as close as they have been more or less every year they are team mates.
Had nothing to do with the tyres it was the EBD that made Vettel unstoppable.
Tbf, Seb was quite excellent with the Pirelli's aswell. Certainly not to an extent as with the use of the EBD, but clearly better than Mark.
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Red Bull worked for a few more years because after 2010 Webber was rarely a challenge for Vettel. Vettel clicked with Pirelli tyres and Webber didn't, they were very closely matched until 2011. Without any big change coming in anytime soon like the switch to Pirelli, you have to assume Hamilton/Rosberg will be as close as they have been more or less every year they are team mates.
Had nothing to do with the tyres it was the EBD that made Vettel unstoppable.
Tbf, Seb was quite excellent with the Pirelli's aswell. Certainly not to an extent as with the use of the EBD, but clearly better than Mark.
And thee Pirellis damaged Webber's advantage in high speed corners as well.
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Red Bull worked for a few more years because after 2010 Webber was rarely a challenge for Vettel. Vettel clicked with Pirelli tyres and Webber didn't, they were very closely matched until 2011. Without any big change coming in anytime soon like the switch to Pirelli, you have to assume Hamilton/Rosberg will be as close as they have been more or less every year they are team mates.
Had nothing to do with the tyres it was the EBD that made Vettel unstoppable.
That wouldn't fully explain the sudden difference given Seb was just as much quicker than Mark when they got rid of EBD
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APR193 said:
Red Bull worked for a few more years because after 2010 Webber was rarely a challenge for Vettel. Vettel clicked with Pirelli tyres and Webber didn't, they were very closely matched until 2011. Without any big change coming in anytime soon like the switch to Pirelli, you have to assume Hamilton/Rosberg will be as close as they have been more or less every year they are team mates.
Had nothing to do with the tyres it was the EBD that made Vettel unstoppable.
That wouldn't fully explain the sudden difference given Seb was just as much quicker than Mark when they got rid of EBD
Nope, he wasn't. It was when RB decided to change the car to Seb's liking in Singapore 2012 when he was miles ahead of Webber again. Up until Hungary that year, Mark and Seb were very close, certainly a lot closer than in 2011 and 2013.
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APR193 said:
Red Bull worked for a few more years because after 2010 Webber was rarely a challenge for Vettel. Vettel clicked with Pirelli tyres and Webber didn't, they were very closely matched until 2011. Without any big change coming in anytime soon like the switch to Pirelli, you have to assume Hamilton/Rosberg will be as close as they have been more or less every year they are team mates.
Had nothing to do with the tyres it was the EBD that made Vettel unstoppable.
That wouldn't fully explain the sudden difference given Seb was just as much quicker than Mark when they got rid of EBD
They only got rid of the EBD this year.
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