AMSKRR Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I really hope either Lotus improve or Grosjean leaves, because he deserves better. And does anyone else think Perez has actually benefited after leaving McLaren? Unexpected upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator f1since08 Posted April 21, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2014 AMS97KRR said: I really hope either Lotus improve or Grosjean leaves, because he deserves better. And does anyone else think Perez has actually benefited after leaving McLaren? Unexpected upgrade. Isn't Grosjean tied down to a long deal? And yeah, I think Perez has improved too (though Bahrain is his favourite track). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMSKRR Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 fIsince08 said: AMS97KRR said: I really hope either Lotus improve or Grosjean leaves, because he deserves better. And does anyone else think Perez has actually benefited after leaving McLaren? Unexpected upgrade. Isn't Grosjean tied down to a long deal? And yeah, I think Perez has improved too (though Bahrain is his favourite track). Not sure about Grojeans deal, ideally I want Lotus to be back near the front but with their financial issues and Maldonado it might take a while, if they don't pull out first.In terms of his ability, I'm not sure, but the Force India is quicker than the McLaren by the looks of it. Put it this way, after 4 races if there was a winners and losers list based on what has happened with teams and drivers, Perez and Force India would be winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Doing well after leaving McLaren has become sort of a trend :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 yugin96 said: The real function of the new steering wheels: Danger indeed keep an eye out for him because he's coming for you :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensonBottom Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 In the short term, yes I think Perez has got the better deal. However Mclaren have great mechanical grip but a lack of downforce so I'd expect them to be strong in places like Monaco and Canada, and in the long run I'm sure Mclaren will bounce back, especially with Whitmarsh out and Ron in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yugin96 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Tommig1995 said: I think good will come of the new engine regulations, Mercedes have completely revolutionised the turbo, and I doubt it will be too long before we see split turbo-compressors in hot-hatches etc. and I bet the MGU-H technology will find it's way into supercars eventually. Does bring up one interesting question though, why hasn't anyone in the production car world ever come up with this idea? Surely someone must have thought of it in decades of turbocharged car production... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted April 21, 2014 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2014 As @JensonBottom said, McLaren will definitely improve, I expect them to achieve more podiums this year and score good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I hope they improve, eventually. But it just seems like McLaren is a sinking ship, and the captain is going down with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommig1995 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 yugin96 said: Tommig1995 said: I think good will come of the new engine regulations, Mercedes have completely revolutionised the turbo, and I doubt it will be too long before we see split turbo-compressors in hot-hatches etc. and I bet the MGU-H technology will find it's way into supercars eventually. Does bring up one interesting question though, why hasn't anyone in the production car world ever come up with this idea? Surely someone must have thought of it in decades of turbocharged car production... I know what you mean, but hot long did it take to work out you could generate downforce by blowing the exhaust through the diffuser. We've have chassis' similar to the current ones since the 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator f1since08 Posted April 21, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2014 RevolvingPrawn said: I hope they improve, eventually. But it just seems like McLaren is a sinking ship, and the captain is going down with it. This. Williams mark 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 fIsince08 said: RevolvingPrawn said: I hope they improve, eventually. But it just seems like McLaren is a sinking ship, and the captain is going down with it. This. Williams mark 2. Exactly my thinking. Except Williams are looking a lot more competitive atm :pI'm sure McLaren will be winners again, but when? Could be next season, could be 5 seasons from now, but I don't expect to see any more podiums for them this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMSKRR Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 McLaren need to get rid of Button in my opinion. He is a WDC and a decent driver, but he is not going to do what Alonso is doing. I think Ferrari will lose either Kimi or Alonso at the end of this year, so why does McLaren not tempt one of them to join them. There was something said of Ron Dennis wanting Alonso at McLaren again not too long back. They have a good thing going on with Magnussen IMO, but I think it is time Button left, they need someone like Alonso to get back to the front I think. Or Hulkenberg, that'd be an awesome line up. Hulkenberg and Magnussen = Championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 RevolvingPrawn said: fIsince08 said: RevolvingPrawn said: I hope they improve, eventually. But it just seems like McLaren is a sinking ship, and the captain is going down with it. This. Williams mark 2. Exactly my thinking. Except Williams are looking a lot more competitive atm :pI'm sure McLaren will be winners again, but when? Could be next season, could be 5 seasons from now, but I don't expect to see any more podiums for them this year. I think we may see McLaren improve too it's just a matter of time I could see them get the odd podium maybe this year but that's as good as they can hope for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam12d Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 AMS97KRR said: McLaren need to get rid of Button in my opinion. He is a WDC and a decent driver, but he is not going to do what Alonso is doing. I think Ferrari will lose either Kimi or Alonso at the end of this year, so why does McLaren not tempt one of them to join them. There was something said of Ron Dennis wanting Alonso at McLaren again not too long back. They have a good thing going on with Magnussen IMO, but I think it is time Button left, they need someone like Alonso to get back to the front I think. Or Hulkenberg, that'd be an awesome line up. Hulkenberg and Magnussen = Championships. Button ay doing bad though is he? He's currently doing better than his team-mate, I think, and he beat Perez last year. If Magnussen doesn't beat Button on merit this year, I don't see any reason to get rid of Button unless you are guaranteed to get some like Alonso back. The thing is where Button went out of Qualifying at China in Q2 he missed out by a tenth, if some guy like Hamilton was in that car you know the McLaren would go through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMSKRR Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Thats what I mean, Magnussen is inexperienced, if he had a year under his belt I reckon he'd be atleast on par with Button. Alonso could give them the extra few tenths and they all count. Magnussen is one for the future which only leaves Button to go IMO, IF they can get Alonso. But only if they get Alonso or Raikkonen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Tbh, I don't see Kimi or Fernando going back to McLaren any time soon. They seem to be getting along fine together and their car is currently better than the McLaren, plus they both have multi-year deals with Ferrari, so personally I'm not expecting their line up to change for at least another 2 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted April 21, 2014 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2014 It must be the time for a 2015 Driver line up prediction! 4 races into the 2014 season...Red Bull: Sebastian Vettel, Daniel RicciardoMercedes: Lewis Hamilton, Nico RosbergFerrari: Fernando Alonso, Kimi RaikkonenLotus: Romain Grosjean, Pastor MaldonadoMcLaren: Kevin Magnussen, Stoffel VandoorneForce India: Nico Hulkenberg, Sergio Perez Sauber: Esteban Gutierrez, Sergey SirotkinToro Rosso: Daniil Kvyat, Carlos Sainz JrWilliams: Valtteri Bottas, Felipe MassaCaterham: Marcus Ericsson, Will StevensMarussia: Jules Bianchi, Max ChiltonHaas: Alexander Rossi, really have no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam12d Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 When does Kimi's contract run out, 2015 or 2016? I thought it was end of next season. Anyway I've just been wondering after this discussion, when do you guys think Button will retire? I'm not sure. He could potentially after this season if Ron kicks him out as there isn't anywhere for him go really. I think its more likely 2015, unless something miraculous happens and he wins the WDC. The thing is Jenson doesn't look like he wants to leave just yet and he hasn't gave any hints to either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensonBottom Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 He'll retire and go to DTM within the next 3 seasons, if not at the end of 2015. Ron Dennis is a clever guy and he'll know partnering a rookie (Stoffel Vandoorne) and a driver only in his second season will not be ideal. Moreover Alonso repeatably said Ferrari would be the last car he drove in (of course he may change his mind but he was rather defiant previously) and I can't see any other replacements unless Vettel is getting his ass kicked by Ricciardo and wants to move :P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMSKRR Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Red Bull: Sebastian Vettel, Daniel RicciardoMercedes: Lewis Hamilton, Nico RosbergFerrari: Fernando Alonso, Kimi RaikkonenLotus: Romain Grosjean, Pastor MaldonadoMcLaren: Kevin Magnussen, Jenson ButtonForce India: Nico Hulkenberg, Sergio Perez Sauber: Esteban Gutierrez, Sergey SirotkinToro Rosso: Daniil Kvyat, Felix Da CostaWilliams: Valtteri Bottas, Felipe MassaCaterham: Marcus Ericsson, Kamui KobayashiMarussia: Jules Bianchi, Max ChiltonHaas: Alexander Rossi, Adrian SutilThat is what I think. I don't think there will be many changes to be honest. I think Haas will pick up Rossi and Sutil. I don't know if Sutil would go there or if there is even a chance of it, but you never know.What engine will Haas use? I'll say Honda or Ferrari - just a shot in the dark but I can't see what else they'd use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensonBottom Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'd be surprised if he picked a Honda engine and he won't be able to get a Mercedes engine as all the other teams with bigger reputations will fight out for the vacancy from Mclaren going to Honda engines. I don't know out of Ferrari or Lotus which one he would chose. I can imagine the Ferrari engine being more expensive however, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam12d Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I reckon it won't be Renault based on the current performance, but you never know. I think Mercedes could be a possibility as he looks like he's throwing a bit of money at this new team. If not Ferrari is their only other option. I heard Honda was exclusive to McLaren for 2015 anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yes Honda is exclusive to McLaren for 2015, it was confirmed in Friday's Press conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Liam12d said: I reckon it won't be Renault based on the current performance, but you never know. I think Mercedes could be a possibility as he looks like he's throwing a bit of money at this new team. If not Ferrari is their only other option. I heard Honda was exclusive to McLaren for 2015 anyway. Correcthttp://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/357516/sports/motorsports/f1-honda-to-focus-on-mclaren-in-2015The only way Haas can have a Honda engine is to delay his entry until 2016, and that seems pretty likely to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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