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I stumbled across that article earlier this morning, everyone should have a read. I agree with you Hughesy, this is one of those situations where having an open cockpit would have helped a lot more.

It's such a dilemma, there are definitely pros and cons to both.
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Like I said before, not only is it disgusting looking, it obstructs visibility and does sweet FA in protecting the driver. I seriously doubt that thing is strong enough to properly deflect something like a wheel or another car.

If we're seriously going for cockpit protection, then it would have to be an entirely enclosed canopy. Which, for obvious reasons, is out of the question.

Nico Rosberg says "Massive safety improvement". Mexicola says "you're a goddamn moron".
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Jiggy said:
I would wonder how a fire like that would happen in an open formula with a canopy.

Also, I like the irony of a system meant to prevent deaths being dubbed the "halo".
There's all sorts of electronics that can catch fire under the drivers arse, also if fuel leaks the car can go up really quick and for whatever reason the canopy might not open, like if you crash and somethings stuck you get cooked alive.
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Like I said before, not only is it disgusting looking, it obstructs visibility and does sweet FA in protecting the driver. I seriously doubt that thing is strong enough to properly deflect something like a wheel or another car.

If we're seriously going for cockpit protection, then it would have to be an entirely enclosed canopy. Which, for obvious reasons, is out of the question.

Nico Rosberg says "Massive safety improvement". Mexicola says "you're a goddamn moron".
Sorry to do this Mexi, but in terms of protection...



This is another design they were looking at too, which honestly I prefer the look of, but below it i
s how it performed in testing. I don't think it's a bad result at all, but the FIA weren't happy it seems. Also linking the article these images came from at the bottom of this post if anyone wants to read it.





http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/2/11147832/f1-closed-cockpits-fia-tests-photos
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*just look two posts above you lazy fffffffffffffffffffffffffff*
Ah right, I stand corrected on that, but the rest still stands. Visibility is an issue, it still won't prevent small debris like what happened to Massa, and a wheel properly positioned could still reach the helmet. Not totally opposed to cockpit protection, but it has to be done properly or not at all. This halo, in my opinion, is not satisfactory.
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*just look two posts above you lazy fffffffffffffffffffffffffff*
Ah right, I stand corrected on that, but the rest still stands. Visibility is an issue, it still won't prevent small debris like what happened to Massa, and a wheel properly positioned could still reach the helmet. Not totally opposed to cockpit protection, but it has to be done properly or not at all. This halo, in my opinion, is not satisfactory.
Agreed on all points bud. Apparently Red Bull have also come up with their own design too which they claim is better than the Halo, but they haven't shown it publicly yet.

I think maybe it's time F1 took a look at WEC's fully enclosed tbh. Like they bloody well should have looked at the Le Mans 60KPH yellow zones instead of the stupid VLC which allows Rosberg drivers to cheat and close the gap despite it being introduced to stop that. As much as people will bitch and moan that F1 is supposed to be open cockpit, I'd rather see a closed cockpit than the half effort of the Halo.
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"Properly or not at all" is pretty much my thoughts.

One of my biggest problems is they only seem to be focussing on avoiding flying tyres, when in F1 small pieces of debris are the biggest risk to drivers. Tyres rarely fly off in a violent way nowadays due to the amazing wheel tethers on the car. 

And another point, if this is introduced next year, judging by that video we're going to be having tyres and other pieces of debris launched high in to the air and coming back down again at a rapid pace. That was pretty much exactly the cause of Justin Wilson's death when the nose cone hit him on top of the head. I know this will probably happen with any kind of canopy/head protection, but it's just another thing to think about. 
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Agreed on all points bud. Apparently Red Bull have also come up with their own design too which they claim is better than the Halo, but they haven't shown it publicly yet.

I think maybe it's time F1 took a look at WEC's fully enclosed tbh. Like they bloody well should have looked at the Le Mans 60KPH yellow zones instead of the stupid VLC which allows Rosberg drivers to cheat and close the gap despite it being introduced to stop that. As much as people will bitch and moan that F1 is supposed to be open cockpit, I'd rather see a closed cockpit than the half effort of the Halo.
Problem with the fully enclosed approach is that in the event of the car being upside down, poor bastard's going to be trapped, not to mention the overheating issues that will come with it, although there's probably some solution to it.
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Agreed on all points bud. Apparently Red Bull have also come up with their own design too which they claim is better than the Halo, but they haven't shown it publicly yet.

I think maybe it's time F1 took a look at WEC's fully enclosed tbh. Like they bloody well should have looked at the Le Mans 60KPH yellow zones instead of the stupid VLC which allows Rosberg drivers to cheat and close the gap despite it being introduced to stop that. As much as people will bitch and moan that F1 is supposed to be open cockpit, I'd rather see a closed cockpit than the half effort of the Halo.
Problem with the fully enclosed approach is that in the event of the car being upside down, poor bastard's going to be trapped, not to mention the overheating issues that will come with it, although there's probably some solution to it.
They just gotta look at WEC again bud. It'll take a fair bit of redesign, but it's probably best to do that, start with a blank sheet, rather than trying to shoehorn cockpit protection to the current design of the cars.

Rather than a driver having to leave the car from above them, the door on either side approach of WEC could work with a sidepod change. Plus in WEC the doors have explosive bolts to aid a driver escaping, and cockpit air con is mandatory. It'll increase the weight of the cars and obviously drop lap times, but with the kind of time frame it would take to implement stuff like this, there'd likely be time to develop a much more powerful electronic component to the engine to increase acceleration in an effort to not drop much lap time. And of course there's always improvements to be made from the tires!

I'm just gonna pop two pics below that when I saw them got my cogs working lol. I don't want F1 to copy WEC completely, but WEC just seems to have nailed the driver protection side of things.




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Hughesy said:
This is why I like Lewis as a driver, No f**** given
https://twitter.com/skysportsf1/status/705765428900003841

Rosberg however.....
https://twitter.com/nico_rosberg/status/705369326648496128
You're not holding this against Rosberg right?

About the canopy-thing, being trapped in the car while it's on fire, with the canopy malfunctioning, sounds more unlikely to me than stuff hitting them on the heads. And about them being trapped if the car is upside down, if they can install an emergency full-release system where the entire thing comes off, you should be able to solve that problem. Unless you're in a situation where you would've been trapped regardless.


Hülkenberg and Ricciardo are beefing over this now too, Ricciardo said that Hulk shouldn't be a hero after the latter said he'd take the risks for granted if it meant not having to drive with the halo.
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Silly Formula 1 drivers, wanting their sport to be as safe as possible so they don't get seriously injured or die of something that could have been avoided. :') 
I agree. The sport can be just as exciting (err...in theory, nor right now though) and dangerous AND still protect the drivers.
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Pirelli have released the drivers' tyre choice for Australia

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/latest/headlines/2016/3/pirelli-reveal-driver-tyre-choices-for-australia.html

While this is going to be a nightmare to follow, it is actually quite interesting looking at some of the strategies that have been chosen. Hamilton has sacrificed a set of mediums for an extra set of softs compared to the other front runners. Red Bull have sacrificed two sets of softs to have an extra set of medium and supersofts. And Manor have gone a different way entirely and pretty much sacrificed everything in favour of having loads of mediums. 
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Teams are all going too soft for my liking, apart from Manor. I'll hold judgement though until we have a race.
Yeah I kinda agree. Last year's race was a one stop for most with one stint on the soft tyre and one stint on medium tyre. So assuming the tyres are roughly similar this year, in theory teams should only really need two sets of mediums - one set for the race and one set for a race sim on Friday.

But the fact that quite a lot of drivers have only got one set of mediums almost makes me think that they're only planning to run the softs and supersofts in the race. Otherwise they'll be running on the medium tyre in the race with no prior experience of them on that track from Friday, which would be a pretty bold strategy. It'll be interesting to see. 
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As confusing and convoluted as these new rules are, they may actually result in some interesting strategy calls. Although so far it appears that the majority have chosen very similar tires so it may not be as interesting as we hoped, but still a lot of variables. 


Teams that picked only one set of mediums will probably use it during practice to get the car set up for race simulation. A shift towards more softer compounds might allow the drivers to push harder, only IF the tires are fast enough to allow for an extra pitstop though.. otherwise it'll be business as usual.
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As confusing and convoluted as these new rules are, they may actually result in some interesting strategy calls. Although so far it appears that the majority have chosen very similar tires so it may not be as interesting as we hoped, but still a lot of variables. 


Teams that picked only one set of mediums will probably use it during practice to get the car set up for race simulation. A shift towards more softer compounds might allow the drivers to push harder, only IF the tires are fast enough to allow for an extra pitstop though.. otherwise it'll be business as usual.
They won't. For Australia the designated tyres for the race from Pirelli are a set of mediums and a set of softs (i.e sets that can only be used for the race). So any driver that has only one set of mediums available will only be able to use them in the race, if they choose to. When you think about it that way, the likes of Hamilton didn't actually "choose" any medium tyres for his selection for the weekend, seen as they are a mandatory set given to every driver. For the tyres he had an option over he chose all softs and supersofts. 

Thats my my interpretaiom of it all anyway. There's a brilliant video explaining it all on YouTube (not the vague Ted Kravitz one) which makes it easier to understand. It's one of the top results when you search something like "F1 2016 tyre rules". 
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As far as I was aware, I thought that you only had to use one of the designated sets of tyres chosen by Pirelli in the race?

So for Australia for example, Pirelli have chosen a set of mediums and a set of softs. Lewis Hamilton could run the softs in the race, and he won't have to run the mediums as long as he does this, so he is allowed to run them in practice.

I'm pretty sure this is how it works, that's what I gathered from that Will Buxton video anyway.
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MBKF1 said:
As far as I was aware, I thought that you only had to use one of the designated sets of tyres chosen by Pirelli in the race?

So for Australia for example, Pirelli have chosen a set of mediums and a set of softs. Lewis Hamilton could run the softs in the race, and he won't have to run the mediums as long as he does this, so he is allowed to run them in practice.

I'm pretty sure this is how it works, that's what I gathered from that Will Buxton video anyway.
Yes. Pirelli nominate two sets that are for the race only, but you only need to run one. I think the two compound rule still applies as well. The two nominated sets are the same for every driver too.

This has me thinking, as well as prime and option, what's the third compound going to be called by the teams?
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@mike96 Nah, the channel is called "Chain Bear F1". I would love to link it but my phone disagrees right now. 
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fIsince08 said:
Yes. Pirelli nominate two sets that are for the race only, but you only need to run one. I think the two compound rule still applies as well. The two nominated sets are the same for every driver too.

This has me thinking, as well as prime and option, what's the third compound going to be called by the teams?
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I asked this two pages ago and no-one responded. Probably something goofy like "SuperPrime". 

But no @MBKF1, to repeat my last post the mediums are a designated set for the race (i.e they can only be used in the race). He can't use the one set which he has in practice, only in the race. But as you correctly point out, he doesn't have to use them in the race if he uses the other nominated tyre set (i.e the soft tyres). But he can use both if he wants to.

But yeah, the main point where I think you and Chadwick are confused is that all cars that only have one set of mediums, can only use that set in the race. Because that's the mandatory race set from Pirelli. 

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Alright I see what you're saying, so really one set of mediums and one set of mediums are the tires that Pirelli has picked for the race, with the super soft being the Q3 tire. The other ten are up to the driver. So Hamilton didn't pick any mediums and since it's a race set he can't use it until the race. BUT he doesn't have to use it during the race as long as he uses the soft set Pirelli designated for the race. I think... These rules are confusing. 
 
So hypothetically if the two race sets designated by Pirelli were the soft and super softs, Hamilton could use his sole set of mediums for practice. Maybe??
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Alright I see what you're saying, so really one set of mediums and one set of mediums are the tires that Pirelli has picked for the race, with the super soft being the Q3 tire. The other ten are up to the driver. So Hamilton didn't pick any mediums and since it's a race set he can't use it until the race. BUT he doesn't have to use it during the race as long as he uses the soft set Pirelli designated for the race. I think... These rules are confusing. 
 
So hypothetically if the two race sets designated by Pirelli were the soft and super softs, Hamilton could use his sole set of mediums for practice. Maybe??
Yes, but only if he picked a set of mediums for his allocation.
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Alright I see what you're saying, so really one set of mediums and one set of mediums are the tires that Pirelli has picked for the race, with the super soft being the Q3 tire. The other ten are up to the driver. So Hamilton didn't pick any mediums and since it's a race set he can't use it until the race. BUT he doesn't have to use it during the race as long as he uses the soft set Pirelli designated for the race. I think... These rules are confusing. 
 
So hypothetically if the two race sets designated by Pirelli were the soft and super softs, Hamilton could use his sole set of mediums for practice. Maybe??
Spot on  :p

I study Motorsport Engineering so I have a commitment to keep up to date with all current motorsport related activities (or at least that's what our lecturers say). Unfortunately so, in this case. 
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Jiggy said:
Once people need a law-degree to understand tyre-rules, you just know F1 is heading into the wrong direction.
Haha I have a law degree and I still have trouble understanding them. 
So that's two of us already. :D
2 + 1 studying it. And I don't get it either.
Haha didn't realize there were so many lawyers in the room!
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