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Rumours are going around through Dutch TV and Sky Sports that Sauber have run out of cash and won't race in China. It's such a shame if it's true but they have been so badly managed recently it won't surprise me.
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Rumours are going around through Dutch TV and Sky Sports that Sauber have run out of cash and won't race in China. It's such a shame if it's true but they have been so badly managed recently it won't surprise me.
Yeah, would be a shame. BMW Sauber with Robert Kubica was one of my favourites back then. And in a perfect world Ferrari would buy them and revive Alfa Romeo, but let's face it, F1 is anything but perfect.
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Perhaps Mclaren should jump in and effectively make them their B team. The other big teams have done it: Mercedes with Manor, Ferrari with Haas, Red Bull with Toro Rosso. Get Honda to supply them which would give them more data to work with, would give Vandoorne a drive to ready himself for when Button and/or Alonso retire (if they don't this year) before he steps into Mclaren full time and it saves Sauber. Win/win, except for Mclaren's short term bank balance I suppose.

Either that or expect a driver with a lot more money to be in that car in the near future. While Nasr and Ericsson are still contracted to drive of course. That's the Sauber way.
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Perhaps Mclaren should jump in and effectively make them their B team. The other big teams have done it: Mercedes with Manor, Ferrari with Haas, Red Bull with Toro Rosso. Get Honda to supply them which would give them more data to work with, would give Vandoorne a drive to ready himself for when Button and/or Alonso retire (if they don't this year) before he steps into Mclaren full time and it saves Sauber. Win/win, except for Mclaren's short term bank balance I suppose.

Either that or expect a driver with a lot more money to be in that car in the near future. While Nasr and Ericsson are still contracted to drive of course. That's the Sauber way.
That would be far too logical for F1
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Hughesy said:
Wynterdust said:
Perhaps Mclaren should jump in and effectively make them their B team. The other big teams have done it: Mercedes with Manor, Ferrari with Haas, Red Bull with Toro Rosso. Get Honda to supply them which would give them more data to work with, would give Vandoorne a drive to ready himself for when Button and/or Alonso retire (if they don't this year) before he steps into Mclaren full time and it saves Sauber. Win/win, except for Mclaren's short term bank balance I suppose.

Either that or expect a driver with a lot more money to be in that car in the near future. While Nasr and Ericsson are still contracted to drive of course. That's the Sauber way.
That would be far too logical for F1
indeed it seems like F1 like ridiculous answers rather than logical ones atm. That's already been proven by the ridiculous quali rules we have right now
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Better off I suppose, Kaltenborn has destroyed that team through poor management and dodgy business. The Sauber name should have been retired along with Peter himself. It's such a shame the team's ended up like this, after starting out with Mercedes by killing it in the WSC with Schumacher, Wendlinger, Mass, then moving on to Formula 1 being a very solid and respectable midfield team to even having a championship contender with Robert Kubica in 2008.

Now they're cash strapped, they've had poor performances (They scored no points in 2014, what the hell) and they massively screwed Giedo van der Garde last year. Kaltenborn is the cancer that killed Sauber if you ask me.
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http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/15138570/mercedes-data-shows-toro-rosso-least-powerful-engine-f1

Interesting. If those data are to be believed wouldn't that mean the McLaren chassis is nowhere near as good as Ron Dennis and co. like to claim? We all know the Renault is lacking in that department, just take a look at where Red Bull is and where the works team is, but what can you expect. They have to pretty much use the previous year Lotus chassis.
Also, if the 2015 Ferrari PU is that weak, then how flipping good is this year's Toro Rosso chassis?
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I won't pretend to understand these engines in any way (in fact just trying to gives me a headache) but I wouldn't think outright power is the only factor. Honda still seem to struggle with deployment and harvesting compared to the rest while the Renault doesn't look as strong on traction so although the 2015 Ferrari might be least powerful, it's probably not the worst. If the engines were all quite close like that article suggests, the Red Bull would be a hell of a lot closer to Merc and Ferrari and the Mclaren and Renault wouldn't still be several mph off the fastest cars in the speed traps.
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Good news everybody!

https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/718096716805890048
finally it seems sense has prevailed let's see for how long.
Well, there is this piece of information floating about:

https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/718104386052964352

Not really sure why the format needs any sort of review. Sure, improvements can always be made, but this sounds like another unnecessary change waiting to happen.
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Good news everybody!

https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/718096716805890048
finally it seems sense has prevailed let's see for how long.
Well, there is this piece of information floating about:

https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/718104386052964352

Not really sure why the format needs any sort of review. Sure, improvements can always be made, but this sounds like another unnecessary change waiting to happen.
that's why I said let's see for how long because they'll always want to try to change something
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http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/15138570/mercedes-data-shows-toro-rosso-least-powerful-engine-f1

Interesting. If those data are to be believed wouldn't that mean the McLaren chassis is nowhere near as good as Ron Dennis and co. like to claim? We all know the Renault is lacking in that department, just take a look at where Red Bull is and where the works team is, but what can you expect. They have to pretty much use the previous year Lotus chassis.
Also, if the 2015 Ferrari PU is that weak, then how flipping good is this year's Toro Rosso chassis?
The Toro Rosso chassis has been one of the best since the start of 2015. At turns 3 & 9 in Barcelona, two corners where you simply need as much downforce and the best balance possible, the only car quicker than it was the Mercedes last season. 

There's been plenty of evidence across the first two races that the engines are much closer in performance this season. Williams are the big giveaway. Over the past two seasons they've been somewhat reliant on the power advantage they've had over some of their competition. Now the engines are more evenly matched their chassis deficit has been revealed and they've been jumped by both Red Bull and Toro Rosso, and possibly even Haas in the hands of Grosjean. It's shown by Force India as well. They were shockingly off the pace in Bahrain - a circuit they usually excel at. 

I've got to say though I'm surprised by Paddy's assessment of the current power situation. If Renault and Honda have really taken that kind of step then bravo. 
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It still needs to be approved and published by WMSC though, so I wouldn't call it 100% confirmed yet :#

I would have thought that since all the teams have agreed to it it will be though.
This is Formula 1, logic doesn't come into it bud.
True but seeing as the teams won't settle for anything else they may as well give in otherwise we could end up with a situation where we will see no action in qualifying
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VXJtrz1m9Y

Say what you want about F1, but their social media appearances are definitely improving. Unfortunately they still can't be bothered to post their latest Race Edits also now known as Director's Cuts on their YouTube channel: http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video.html

Some high quality stuff, right there.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VXJtrz1m9Y

Say what you want about F1, but their social media appearances are definitely improving. Unfortunately they still can't be bothered to post their latest Race Edits also now known as Director's Cuts on their YouTube channel: http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video.html

Some high quality stuff, right there.
Just in case you're interested in all of the race edits ever produced (starting in 2008) up to now, take a look at this thread and you shall find all of them (or at least those which haven't been taken down). Plus all quali-laps.

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/32140-Complete-Archive-of-Official-Formula-1-Race-Edit-and-On-board-videos/page6

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If they insist on changing qualifying then you simply copy and paste what MotoGP have. At first the MotoGP system seemed an over complicated copy of what F1 had, but it means that fans trackside and at home have the bikes running at their best right from the first lap of FP1, because they have to to ensure a good opportunity in qualifying.
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I've just watched an absolutely cracking 1h 17m long podcast / video with Ross Brawn and Nick Fry talking to Motorsport magazine about their 2009 season with Brawn GP. I'll leave a link to it here, it's absolutely worth the watch for any F1 fan, with some absolutely fascinating anecdotes about what really went on that year. Watching it made me realise just how amazing their story is, from nothing to championship glory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReVb5P0mdds&index=2&list=WL

I won't give much away but one thing that I found pretty interesting was that apparently Michael Schumacher and Ross Brawn first talked about him returning to Formula 1 with Mercedes in a nightclub! Nick Fry happened to spot him and suggested Ross went and spoke to him, but that's how it first started!
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I don't know the reliability of the source, but there are a couple of rumours going around about Monza. Apparently they offered Bernie €19 million per year (I don't know how that compares to other tracks, but apparently it's a good deal for FOM) and he turned it down because they're interested in bringing MotoGP and WSB to the track. He told them it was "F1 or motorbikes" and slated plans to put a second chicane in before Curva Grande (and who can blame him on that?...).

He was looking at moving to either Mugello (unlikely) or Imola (possible) unless Monza changed their management, which has now happened.

Who knows what will happen.
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I believe the  chicane they're talking of adding is on the inside of the corner where there's just trees. It won't affect the track layout for F1 at all and is just being added to make it safer for bikes so they don't have to use the first chicane.
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I like it. It's simple, futuristic, and, most importantly, it doesn't give me Ebola just by looking at it, like the halo concept.
It's also not very efficient at the whole head protection caper. Look how much space there is, there's still a possibility of being hit on the head so why have that device there in the first place if it's only going to work one out of a hundred times in the event of an already ridiculously rare occurrence? Throw it in the bin.
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I like it. It's simple, futuristic, and, most importantly, it doesn't give me Ebola just by looking at it, like the halo concept.
It's also not very efficient at the whole head protection caper. Look how much space there is, there's still a possibility of being hit on the head so why have that device there in the first place if it's only going to work one out of a hundred times in the event of an already ridiculously rare occurrence? Throw it in the bin.
Same can be said about the halo concept. Best solution? Closed jet canopy. But with that we need air conditioning for the drivers. Making the cars even heavier all elements considered. It's just too early for that, I think. The cars would need to be fully redesigned for a concept like this.

I consider the current two concepts as stepping stones. And that's what they probably are supposed to be. Also, they could have helped in an accident like we've seen with Justin Wilson. And the Red Bull concept would have also helped Massa a few years back.
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Closed jet canopy also has the problem of the driver being trapped in the event of the car rolling over in addition to the air conditioning that you've already pointed out. You ask me, I say scrap all this and stick with what we have. We can't prepare cars for every single eventuality.

Massa, Wilson and Surtees are the only instances I can remember where head protection would prevent harm. Three people. Are we really going to go through all this because of three incidents? I'm sure there's other safety aspects we can look at first before implementing something which is the result of knee-jerk reaction and oversentimentality. Something which has no place in motorsport in my opinion.

TLDR; Throw it in the bin.
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