ImDyingYouIdiot Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/716610634390061057 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 sounds to me like they really d owant t okill F1 off but at least the aggergate idea is better than this stupid countdown one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extracurricularturd Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 The countdown could possibly work if they let drivers finish their lap ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator f1since08 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted April 3, 2016 Rumours are going around through Dutch TV and Sky Sports that Sauber have run out of cash and won't race in China. It's such a shame if it's true but they have been so badly managed recently it won't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 fIsince08 said: Rumours are going around through Dutch TV and Sky Sports that Sauber have run out of cash and won't race in China. It's such a shame if it's true but they have been so badly managed recently it won't surprise me. Yeah, would be a shame. BMW Sauber with Robert Kubica was one of my favourites back then. And in a perfect world Ferrari would buy them and revive Alfa Romeo, but let's face it, F1 is anything but perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liaveil Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Perhaps Mclaren should jump in and effectively make them their B team. The other big teams have done it: Mercedes with Manor, Ferrari with Haas, Red Bull with Toro Rosso. Get Honda to supply them which would give them more data to work with, would give Vandoorne a drive to ready himself for when Button and/or Alonso retire (if they don't this year) before he steps into Mclaren full time and it saves Sauber. Win/win, except for Mclaren's short term bank balance I suppose. Either that or expect a driver with a lot more money to be in that car in the near future. While Nasr and Ericsson are still contracted to drive of course. That's the Sauber way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Wynterdust said: Perhaps Mclaren should jump in and effectively make them their B team. The other big teams have done it: Mercedes with Manor, Ferrari with Haas, Red Bull with Toro Rosso. Get Honda to supply them which would give them more data to work with, would give Vandoorne a drive to ready himself for when Button and/or Alonso retire (if they don't this year) before he steps into Mclaren full time and it saves Sauber. Win/win, except for Mclaren's short term bank balance I suppose. Either that or expect a driver with a lot more money to be in that car in the near future. While Nasr and Ericsson are still contracted to drive of course. That's the Sauber way. That would be far too logical for F1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Couldn't resist to share:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NKtRQmrEAQ............................................................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Hughesy said: Wynterdust said: Perhaps Mclaren should jump in and effectively make them their B team. The other big teams have done it: Mercedes with Manor, Ferrari with Haas, Red Bull with Toro Rosso. Get Honda to supply them which would give them more data to work with, would give Vandoorne a drive to ready himself for when Button and/or Alonso retire (if they don't this year) before he steps into Mclaren full time and it saves Sauber. Win/win, except for Mclaren's short term bank balance I suppose. Either that or expect a driver with a lot more money to be in that car in the near future. While Nasr and Ericsson are still contracted to drive of course. That's the Sauber way. That would be far too logical for F1 indeed it seems like F1 like ridiculous answers rather than logical ones atm. That's already been proven by the ridiculous quali rules we have right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/04/05/ferrari-bail-out-sauber-to-pave-way-for-alfa-romeo-return/Would be a shame about the Sauber name, but a freaking possible Alfa Romeo revival? Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I hope they get rid of Kaltenborn before they do that tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicola Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Better off I suppose, Kaltenborn has destroyed that team through poor management and dodgy business. The Sauber name should have been retired along with Peter himself. It's such a shame the team's ended up like this, after starting out with Mercedes by killing it in the WSC with Schumacher, Wendlinger, Mass, then moving on to Formula 1 being a very solid and respectable midfield team to even having a championship contender with Robert Kubica in 2008.Now they're cash strapped, they've had poor performances (They scored no points in 2014, what the hell) and they massively screwed Giedo van der Garde last year. Kaltenborn is the cancer that killed Sauber if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/15138570/mercedes-data-shows-toro-rosso-least-powerful-engine-f1Interesting. If those data are to be believed wouldn't that mean the McLaren chassis is nowhere near as good as Ron Dennis and co. like to claim? We all know the Renault is lacking in that department, just take a look at where Red Bull is and where the works team is, but what can you expect. They have to pretty much use the previous year Lotus chassis.Also, if the 2015 Ferrari PU is that weak, then how flipping good is this year's Toro Rosso chassis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liaveil Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I won't pretend to understand these engines in any way (in fact just trying to gives me a headache) but I wouldn't think outright power is the only factor. Honda still seem to struggle with deployment and harvesting compared to the rest while the Renault doesn't look as strong on traction so although the 2015 Ferrari might be least powerful, it's probably not the worst. If the engines were all quite close like that article suggests, the Red Bull would be a hell of a lot closer to Merc and Ferrari and the Mclaren and Renault wouldn't still be several mph off the fastest cars in the speed traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Good news everybody!https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/718096716805890048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 ImDyingYouIdiot said: Good news everybody!https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/718096716805890048 finally it seems sense has prevailed let's see for how long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 ImDyingYouIdiot said: Good news everybody!https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/718096716805890048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 sjsharp2010 said: ImDyingYouIdiot said: Good news everybody!https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/718096716805890048 finally it seems sense has prevailed let's see for how long. Well, there is this piece of information floating about:https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/718104386052964352Not really sure why the format needs any sort of review. Sure, improvements can always be made, but this sounds like another unnecessary change waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice29 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Finally!Some common sense Unlike this character limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick8505 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Inb4 they change it for Russia. Apparently my witty internet joke was too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 ImDyingYouIdiot said: sjsharp2010 said: ImDyingYouIdiot said: Good news everybody!https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/718096716805890048 finally it seems sense has prevailed let's see for how long. Well, there is this piece of information floating about:https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/718104386052964352Not really sure why the format needs any sort of review. Sure, improvements can always be made, but this sounds like another unnecessary change waiting to happen. that's why I said let's see for how long because they'll always want to try to change something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 It still needs to be approved and published by WMSC though, so I wouldn't call it 100% confirmed yet :# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Hughesy said: It still needs to be approved and published by WMSC though, so I wouldn't call it 100% confirmed yet :# I would have thought that since all the teams have agreed to it it will be though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VetteIfan Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 ImDyingYouIdiot said: http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/15138570/mercedes-data-shows-toro-rosso-least-powerful-engine-f1Interesting. If those data are to be believed wouldn't that mean the McLaren chassis is nowhere near as good as Ron Dennis and co. like to claim? We all know the Renault is lacking in that department, just take a look at where Red Bull is and where the works team is, but what can you expect. They have to pretty much use the previous year Lotus chassis.Also, if the 2015 Ferrari PU is that weak, then how flipping good is this year's Toro Rosso chassis? The Toro Rosso chassis has been one of the best since the start of 2015. At turns 3 & 9 in Barcelona, two corners where you simply need as much downforce and the best balance possible, the only car quicker than it was the Mercedes last season. There's been plenty of evidence across the first two races that the engines are much closer in performance this season. Williams are the big giveaway. Over the past two seasons they've been somewhat reliant on the power advantage they've had over some of their competition. Now the engines are more evenly matched their chassis deficit has been revealed and they've been jumped by both Red Bull and Toro Rosso, and possibly even Haas in the hands of Grosjean. It's shown by Force India as well. They were shockingly off the pace in Bahrain - a circuit they usually excel at. I've got to say though I'm surprised by Paddy's assessment of the current power situation. If Renault and Honda have really taken that kind of step then bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 sjsharp2010 said: Hughesy said: It still needs to be approved and published by WMSC though, so I wouldn't call it 100% confirmed yet :# I would have thought that since all the teams have agreed to it it will be though. This is Formula 1, logic doesn't come into it bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Hughesy said: sjsharp2010 said: Hughesy said: It still needs to be approved and published by WMSC though, so I wouldn't call it 100% confirmed yet :# I would have thought that since all the teams have agreed to it it will be though. This is Formula 1, logic doesn't come into it bud. True but seeing as the teams won't settle for anything else they may as well give in otherwise we could end up with a situation where we will see no action in qualifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liaveil Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Sort of like the first two races then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VXJtrz1m9YSay what you want about F1, but their social media appearances are definitely improving. Unfortunately they still can't be bothered to post their latest Race Edits also now known as Director's Cuts on their YouTube channel: http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video.htmlSome high quality stuff, right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Wynterdust said: Sort of like the first two races then! except no one will bother coming out of the pits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted April 8, 2016 Moderator Share Posted April 8, 2016 Grosjean must have shut his eyes for a few seconds when Steiner wanted to shake his hand! https://streamable.com/prku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick8505 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-massive-cruise-ship-will-have-the-first-ever-go-kart-track-at-sea/ Somewhere Bernie is negotiating a Pacific Ocean Grand Prix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Chadwick8505 said: https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-massive-cruise-ship-will-have-the-first-ever-go-kart-track-at-sea/ Somewhere Bernie is negotiating a Pacific Ocean Grand Prix. dang it don't give him ideas :p He'll only try to use them to screw up F1 further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 ImDyingYouIdiot said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VXJtrz1m9YSay what you want about F1, but their social media appearances are definitely improving. Unfortunately they still can't be bothered to post their latest Race Edits also now known as Director's Cuts on their YouTube channel: http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video.htmlSome high quality stuff, right there. Just in case you're interested in all of the race edits ever produced (starting in 2008) up to now, take a look at this thread and you shall find all of them (or at least those which haven't been taken down). Plus all quali-laps. http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/32140-Complete-Archive-of-Official-Formula-1-Race-Edit-and-On-board-videos/page6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/337800/f1-considering-saturday-race-for-2017/Hopefully that's not what we get because the quali format changed back to the 2015 one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 lol @ trying to reduce costs and then coming up with an idea of a Saturday race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APR193 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 If they insist on changing qualifying then you simply copy and paste what MotoGP have. At first the MotoGP system seemed an over complicated copy of what F1 had, but it means that fans trackside and at home have the bikes running at their best right from the first lap of FP1, because they have to to ensure a good opportunity in qualifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice29 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I think Dorna have done a great job with MotoGP seems such long time since we had only 19 riders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted April 20, 2016 Moderator Share Posted April 20, 2016 I've just watched an absolutely cracking 1h 17m long podcast / video with Ross Brawn and Nick Fry talking to Motorsport magazine about their 2009 season with Brawn GP. I'll leave a link to it here, it's absolutely worth the watch for any F1 fan, with some absolutely fascinating anecdotes about what really went on that year. Watching it made me realise just how amazing their story is, from nothing to championship glory.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReVb5P0mdds&index=2&list=WLI won't give much away but one thing that I found pretty interesting was that apparently Michael Schumacher and Ross Brawn first talked about him returning to Formula 1 with Mercedes in a nightclub! Nick Fry happened to spot him and suggested Ross went and spoke to him, but that's how it first started! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Hot up in the club, throwing that Henny backTalking to Ross and Schumi on bringing the Merc back*air horn RMX* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extracurricularturd Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Damn I'll be hiring Jiggy next time I need some tunes xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator f1since08 Posted April 27, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted April 27, 2016 I don't know the reliability of the source, but there are a couple of rumours going around about Monza. Apparently they offered Bernie €19 million per year (I don't know how that compares to other tracks, but apparently it's a good deal for FOM) and he turned it down because they're interested in bringing MotoGP and WSB to the track. He told them it was "F1 or motorbikes" and slated plans to put a second chicane in before Curva Grande (and who can blame him on that?...).He was looking at moving to either Mugello (unlikely) or Imola (possible) unless Monza changed their management, which has now happened.Who knows what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platy Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I believe the chicane they're talking of adding is on the inside of the corner where there's just trees. It won't affect the track layout for F1 at all and is just being added to make it safer for bikes so they don't have to use the first chicane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 So then, Red Bull's canopy has been seen, and I absolutely prefer it over the Ferrari Halo. Thoughts guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted April 28, 2016 Moderator Share Posted April 28, 2016 Really like the look of it so far, and as you say, much nicer than Ferrari's effort. I'll wait until I see it in action with a driver and helmet in there, but looks very elegant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Open cockpits still beat them all by a country mile. This is ugly af. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 @MBKF1 And an extra shot heh.@GoldenColt Still is open cockpit :p But honestly, would you rather this, or the halo? Either way, a type of device like these are likely to be on the cars next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I like it. It's simple, futuristic, and, most importantly, it doesn't give me Ebola just by looking at it, like the halo concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicola Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 ImDyingYouIdiot said: I like it. It's simple, futuristic, and, most importantly, it doesn't give me Ebola just by looking at it, like the halo concept. It's also not very efficient at the whole head protection caper. Look how much space there is, there's still a possibility of being hit on the head so why have that device there in the first place if it's only going to work one out of a hundred times in the event of an already ridiculously rare occurrence? Throw it in the bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Mexicola said: ImDyingYouIdiot said: I like it. It's simple, futuristic, and, most importantly, it doesn't give me Ebola just by looking at it, like the halo concept. It's also not very efficient at the whole head protection caper. Look how much space there is, there's still a possibility of being hit on the head so why have that device there in the first place if it's only going to work one out of a hundred times in the event of an already ridiculously rare occurrence? Throw it in the bin. Same can be said about the halo concept. Best solution? Closed jet canopy. But with that we need air conditioning for the drivers. Making the cars even heavier all elements considered. It's just too early for that, I think. The cars would need to be fully redesigned for a concept like this.I consider the current two concepts as stepping stones. And that's what they probably are supposed to be. Also, they could have helped in an accident like we've seen with Justin Wilson. And the Red Bull concept would have also helped Massa a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicola Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Closed jet canopy also has the problem of the driver being trapped in the event of the car rolling over in addition to the air conditioning that you've already pointed out. You ask me, I say scrap all this and stick with what we have. We can't prepare cars for every single eventuality. Massa, Wilson and Surtees are the only instances I can remember where head protection would prevent harm. Three people. Are we really going to go through all this because of three incidents? I'm sure there's other safety aspects we can look at first before implementing something which is the result of knee-jerk reaction and oversentimentality. Something which has no place in motorsport in my opinion.TLDR; Throw it in the bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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