onetwothree Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 If I had a dollar for every time Ferrari threatened to leave, I'd have enough money to buy Ferrari and actually follow through with the threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted February 6, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 6, 2017 I swear we get the same recurring sh*t every year.- Ferrari threaten to leave F1- Will Kimi Raikkonen be replaced?- Rumours of Audi entering F1- Will the new McLaren be orange?- Jacques Villeneuve's seasonal sh*t stirringI've missed out a helluva lot more, but you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 You forgot about Häkkinen. I'm sure he returns from his sabbatical this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 The one and only time I'll agree with Rosberghttps://twitter.com/nico_rosberg/status/828933087673384960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Kubica before the accident was as fast as anyone. World Champion-material. Kubica after the accident has a messed up arm. But I'd love for him to get a shot and be quick again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Also, Wehrlein is apparently still injured. Sauber has denied it, but trusting Sauber on their word is something a Dutchman should and will not do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted February 8, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 8, 2017 Well that's an end to the F1 drivers doing Race of Champions again :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Hmm I'm not so sure Lewis, all I see from god/religion in general is war.... https://twitter.com/LewisHamilton/status/829763696524156931 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator f1since08 Posted February 10, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2017 Hughesy said: Hmm I'm not so sure Lewis, all I see from god/religion in general is war.... https://twitter.com/LewisHamilton/status/829763696524156931 You're so wrong. This isn't the place for me a debate, but there is so much good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 No mate, I'm not. There may be some good, but there's so much bad stuff because of religion. I myself went to church every Sunday when I was young, so I respect people's religious beliefs, but what I said was fact. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted February 15, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2017 Silly pre-testing predictions time. Write down your list of what you reckon the order of the 10 teams will be, and I've grouped them as well based on what other teams I reckon they'll be fighting.1) Mercedes2) Red Bull3) Ferrari4) McLaren5) Williams6) Force India7) Renault8) Toro Rosso9) Haas10) Sauber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1) Red Bull2) Mercedes3) Ferrari4) McLaren5) Force India6) Renault7) Toro Rosso8) Williams9) Haas10) Sauber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1) Mercedes2) Red Bull3) McLaren4) Ferrari5) Williams6) Force India7) Renault8) Haas9) Toro Rosso10) Sauber Also this is Sky's F1 testing schedule, shame there's no live coverage, seems ridiculous to me considering how much it costs to get Sky and the Sports package.TEST ONEMonday February 27Day One live blog (Sky F1 Digital), Live updates on SSN HQ.9pm: Sky Sports F1 - Paddock Uncut9.15pm: Ted's NotebookTuesday February 28Day Two live blog (Sky F1 Digital), Live updates on SSN HQ.9pm: Sky Sports F1 - Paddock Uncut9.15pm: Ted's NotebookWednesday March 1Day Three live blog (Sky F1 Digital), Live updates on SSN HQ.9pm: Sky Sports F1 - Paddock Uncut9.15pm: Ted's NotebookThursday March 2Day Four live blog (Sky F1 Digital), Live updates on SSN HQ.9pm: Sky Sports F1 - Paddock Uncut9.15pm: Ted's NotebookTEST TWOTuesday March 7Day One live blog (Sky F1 Digital), Live updates on SSN HQ.9pm: Sky Sports F1 - Paddock Uncut9.15pm: Ask CroftyWednesday March 8Day Two live blog (Sky F1 Digital), Live updates on SSN HQ.9pm: Sky Sports F1 - Paddock Uncut9.15pm: Ask CroftyThursday March 9Day Three live blog (Sky F1 Digital), Live updates on SSN HQ.9pm: Sky Sports F1 - Paddock Uncut9.15pm: Ask CroftyFriday March 10Day Four live blog (Sky F1 Digital), Live updates on SSN HQ.9pm: Sky Sports F1 - Paddock Uncut9.15pm: Ask Crofty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted February 15, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2017 I remember watching their testing coverage back in 2013, it was heaven for an F1 fan! But I guess it's just not worth it considering the cost of making it vs number of viewers, which is probably not a lot as it's in the middle of a week.Also Sky have to do all the coverage themselves as FOM don't cover testing, so they have to send out all their cameramen and equipment to all parts of the track. Probably just too expensive.But we're paying good money to get Sky, and having a dedicated F1 channel, live testing is what I'd expect to get in return! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 MBKF1 said: I remember watching their testing coverage back in 2013, it was heaven for an F1 fan! But I guess it's just not worth it considering the cost of making it vs number of viewers, which is probably not a lot as it's in the middle of a week.Also Sky have to do all the coverage themselves as FOM don't cover testing, so they have to send out all their cameramen and equipment to all parts of the track. Probably just too expensive.But we're paying good money to get Sky, and having a dedicated F1 channel, live testing is what I'd expect to get in return! Can't help but think that if they don't think it's worth it then paying the extra to get that channel isn't worth it :p Thing about testing though is they wouldn't really need to cover the entire circuit, just 4 or 5 corners and the main straight/pits would be enough to satisfy the majority of fans. I can imagine that if they were willing to cover testing properly only 4 years ago, and they've now reduced that to 15 mins per day and live blogging, they'll end up ditching the dedicated F1 channel eventually, and either bump it to Sky Sports 5 or drop it entirely. And then of course the coverage will go online where Liberty can charge whatever they like for it (crossing my fingers for a reasonable price now that Bernie is gone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liaveil Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1) Mercedes2) Red Bull3) Ferrari4) Mclaren5) Force India6) Renault7) Williams8) Haas9) Toro Rosso10) Sauber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VetteIfan Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 So the general opinion here seems to be that this year's rules tweaks aren't going to shake the field up anywhere near as much as 2009 did. I tend to agree. I think Red Bull's ability to challenge Mercedes depends on Renault. For the best part of 18 months they've had the aero package to challenge Mercedes, so presuming Mercedes don't totally **** up with the new rules, the engine will still be the main offset in performance. Pretty much everyone seems to have written Ferrari off but their main struggles all the way through 2009-2016 have been with that era of aero regulations. Returning to something more reminiscent of pre-2009 might actually be good news. But, admittedly, the fact remains that they still don't have a lead designer. If McLaren aren't at least comfortably the 4th best team and challenging the top 3 this year then Alonso might as well go to Sauber. Yes they've been making progress but that progress has been so slow that they're not going to be winning again till 2030 at the current rate. This is the year where they've got a big oppurtunity to make up most of their lost ground. Renault are my "sleeper", if you can count them as that. This is effectively the first Renault car and considering their budget and the fact they basically gave up after 3 races last season, they could make a bit of a jump. Based on my belief that James Key is one of the best and most underrated designers in the field, I also think Toro Rosso will have a good car and be the 6th best team. After that: Force India, Williams, Haas and Sauber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Title contenders: Mercedes, Red Bull.Might win a race or two: Ferrari, RenaultMight get a podium on their day: McLaren, Toro Rosso, Force IndiaWon't get a podium, but won't be as shit as Sauber: Haas, WilliamsIs as shit as Sauber: Sauber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick8505 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Hopefully it'll be close, Renault's engine isn't that far off anymore and with Red Bull's aero they might be able to match Mercedes at certain tracks.1. Mercedes2. Red Bull 3. Ferrari - While the shift to more mechanical grip this year might suit Ferrari well, I don't think it'll be enough The rest is going to be really interesting. Williams doesn't always do well with rule changes. Toro Rosso seems to have every other year success and the constant changing of power units might effect them. Force India are always consistent. Haas should still be there too. McLaren has a lot to prove. I don't think they'll be challenging for podiums consistently. Maybe top5s. They've shown steady progress but I just don't see them returning to top form this year. Same with Renault, at least now they're a factory team but is that enough? The way I see it there best hope is that they had the funding early on and probably started full development of the 2017 car the soonest. So they'll probably have similar result to McLaren (probably a little bit worse).And Sauber will show up to get the participation trophy I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFagk2lpseQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 The rear wing is not as wide as I thought it would be. And eww, still the penis-nose? Williams has never been this unlikeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Rear is looking great, nose is flipping ugly. Livery still the best part.Meh. A bit underwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted February 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2017 I think all the concepts we've seen have made us have too higher expectations. I was expecting a sleeker nose, but still stuck with the stubbly bit. Rear looks sexi mexi though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Sauber are going to win the championship, if Leicester can win the Premier League then anythings possible :trollface: As for the looks, anyone who got excited about the concepts and expected them to look like that are silly, the final thing never looks as good as the concept... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 As someone pointed out in the AS-forum:http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/017/588/reality.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couger1981 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Was expecting a wider car this year doesn't look much different from last years car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VetteIfan Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Hughesy said: Sauber are going to win the championship, if Leicester can win the Premier League then anythings possible :trollface: As for the looks, anyone who got excited about the concepts and expected them to look like that are silly, the final thing never looks as good as the concept... While that's true, one of the main targets of this set of regulations was to have better looking cars that are more aggressive. To still see the stud nose there is dissapointing in that respect. Should probably wait until we see an actual car first anyway. Some parts of this render are very simplified and Williams clearly aren't giving too many tricks away. The side pods look very slim, but I think that's an illusion because the floor has been made wider on this year's cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick8505 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 There really was nothing in the new rules that were gonna make these cars look any better. Things got wider; that's about it. The tires are the only thing that actually will effect the look. 2017 is just going to look like bulkier versions of 2016. Concept renders are made to look pretty. They aren't made within the rule book or made using an engineer's knowledge of what works and what doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Tbf, I thought the concept renders weren't that good-looking in the first place. Especially these Sean Bull designs. Nothing compares to the 2007/2008 cars imho, the most beautiful F1 cars of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 You thought the 07/08 cars were the most beautiful cars ever? Eww..... I liked the front wings, but that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Agree with Colt. The overall shapes of the cars were good looking, the BMW was the peak of that grid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice29 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128158Do you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 No I don't agree with him, it's a team sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicola Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 "I don't want to see my teammate's data"right sonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 "If I can't do it on my own then I'm not good enough and I don't deserve to be there. And there are some drivers that don't."HAMILTON LAYING THE SMACKETH DOWN ON ALL THEIR CANDY ASSESNo, but seriously, fundamentally, I agree with Hamilton. Find it out on your own. That engineers will share for the overall improvement, logical. But a driver being able to copy his team-mate's lines, kind of sounds like weak sauce imo. However, it saves time when ideally drivers can catch up on each other and keep leapfrogging each other, raising their level at a faster pace than they would, had they have done it all on their own. From a team's perspective, it's just more efficient and you don't lose time having to wait on both drivers catching speed when they're on their own. Think not having all the time in the world to test your cars like in the old days will only enhance that need to get up to speed quick, so that you can focus on other things. So I agree with Hamilton, but as long as it's not banned, I'd imagine there's no team willing to take Hamilton's approach in the development race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick8505 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 This really illustrates my problem with Hamilton. It's only ever about him; he's got to be one of the most selfish drivers on the grid. The problem is all this says to Mercedes is "I'm not a team player, and I don't have to be because no one's as good as me." I just think that's a really piss-poor attitude for such an incredible driver. At the end of the day F1 is a team sport and it will also be a team sport. And as a driver in a team, your job is to maximize the team's success before your own. If that includes share setup advice, data, driving lines, or whatever than the team expect you to do it. The other side of that is with sharing the end product is completed quicker. Now both drivers in free practice can work on separate goals and try new parts at the same time; essentially doubling the work that can be accomplished in the session. If Hamilton is not willing to share that information or accept that information, he's dealing with half the deck. It's in his arrogance that he thinks there's nothing wrong with that and that he'll come out on top anyway; which he probably will because he is that good. It's just not a character trait I appreciate in a World Champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I think Hamilton learnt early on from the best at being selfish, Alonso.... Most world champions in F1 or any sport are selfish & arrogant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Sauber....... https://twitter.com/f1fanatic_co_uk/status/833615597657264129 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 It's pretty! Love the rear end packaging that's closest to the suspension, and the gold and blue at the front looks fantastic :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted February 20, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 20, 2017 I like it, the design of the car looks great, but not 100% sure on the livery to be perfectly honest. The white on the sidepod is a bit odd when it goes into the U shape. I could get used to it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 MBKF1 said: I like it, the design of the car looks great, but not 100% sure on the livery to be perfectly honest. The white on the sidepod is a bit odd when it goes into the U shape. I could get used to it though. Maybe the white is like a placeholder till they can get some sponsor logo's one there? :p If it isn't though then I wish they'd used either black or more of the gold on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted February 20, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 20, 2017 Perhaps! Love the gold, normally it's a bit touch and go if it goes with blue but they've nailed it here. From the front, this car looks amazing.It's nice to not have a grey livery as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDyingYouIdiot Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Love the livery, love the shark fin, still can't stand those stubby noses. At least if they're not hidden well, like on the RB12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 ImDyingYouIdiot said: Love the livery, love the shark fin, still can't stand those stubby noses. At least if they're not hidden well, like on the RB12. Yea, I'm not so keen on the stubby noses either, but as long as they don't hang over the edge of the front wing then I can live with em. Just gonna chuck the images up in this post too so they're on this page instead of the last page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetwothree Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Livery is meh. The white ruins it tbh. ghlkmfd94jy0er//; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Not a fan of it at all, it reminds me of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Another couple of pics, that wing and nose look awesome in these coolers :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick8505 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Saber looks cool. I like the new livery, almost retro Ligier. The air box seems unique with the ducts set back from the center divider. I like the shark fin too, although I've always been a fan of them; except it's kinda weird that it's so much higher than the rear wing.Hopefully more cars look like this and not as much like the Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Livery looks refreshingly different from everything we've seen in the last few season, but dear me, I was expecting the chassis of these cars to look so much better. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice29 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 The car looks like the C35 on steroids.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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