Liam12d 0 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Juice29 said: GoldenColt said: I've read about that on another german website aswell, seems to be true. 16 cars, ugh. Not that I think it'll really go this far, but still. Even 18 cars look crappy on the grid. Three car teams to the rescue Over my dead body. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juice29 0 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 MotoGP i think had a similar crisis solution: they had split the classes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juice29 0 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Crisis averted Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator MBKF1 91 Posted December 31, 2014 Moderator Share Posted December 31, 2014 I've started making some 2014 car illustrations and I'll share them with you when I get home from holiday, but so far I've done Ferrari, McLaren and Force India. I'm really pleased with them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator f1since08 110 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted December 31, 2014 Something I've been wondering for a while. Do teams have to change tyres a pit stops for other problems? For example, if the DRS was stuck open and the driver pitted to close it, do they have to change his tyres as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator MBKF1 91 Posted December 31, 2014 Moderator Share Posted December 31, 2014 No they don't they can just pull up and drive away, because I think Alonso did that in Bahrain in 2013, when he came in the second time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator f1since08 110 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted December 31, 2014 PeteTheDuck said: No they don't they can just pull up and drive away, because I think Alonso did that in Bahrain in 2013, when he came in the second time. That's what I'm not sure on. I know when Michael had it at Canada in 2012 they didn't, but I'm almost certain they changed Alonso's tyres both times.Pre season test schedule, a lot later than normal and it's all in Spain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RevolvingPrawn 1 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 They probably changed Alonso's tyres because why not stick him on a fresh set right? It's just like when a driver damages his front wing, 9 times outta 10 they'll change his tyres along with the wing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juice29 0 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 fIsince08 said: PeteTheDuck said: No they don't they can just pull up and drive away, because I think Alonso did that in Bahrain in 2013, when he came in the second time. That's what I'm not sure on. I know when Michael had it at Canada in 2012 they didn't, but I'm almost certain they changed Alonso's tyres both times.Pre season test schedule, a lot later than normal and it's all in Spain. I suppose starting later means there is a smaller gap between the last test and the first GP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buttonfan 5 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I give you Mr and Mrs Button Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 One more incredibly beautiful woman off the market. :(Congratz to both. ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alonsofan46 0 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Juice29 said: fIsince08 said: PeteTheDuck said: No they don't they can just pull up and drive away, because I think Alonso did that in Bahrain in 2013, when he came in the second time. That's what I'm not sure on. I know when Michael had it at Canada in 2012 they didn't, but I'm almost certain they changed Alonso's tyres both times.Pre season test schedule, a lot later than normal and it's all in Spain. I suppose starting later means there is a smaller gap between the last test and the first GP fIsince08 said: PeteTheDuck said: No they don't they can just pull up and drive away, because I think Alonso did that in Bahrain in 2013, when he came in the second time. That's what I'm not sure on. I know when Michael had it at Canada in 2012 they didn't, but I'm almost certain they changed Alonso's tyres both times.Pre season test schedule, a lot later than normal and it's all in Actually , no. It ends 1 day earlier than last year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jiggy 5 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 mike96 said: I give you Mr and Mrs Button You can tell by just looking at them that they're going to make some beautiful babies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RevolvingPrawn 1 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 All babies look like potatoes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buttonfan 5 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117259 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liaveil 287 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Hardly seems fair to Honda. If they're going to let the other manufacturers use this loophole then surely in the interest of fairness they should let Honda develop during the season as well? Should be all or none. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liaveil 287 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Well, done a little bit of a search around and it seems, although the article is correct, it's somewhat worded to make it seem Honda will be at a heavy disadvantage. This season; Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari are able to develop 48% of their unit (32 tokens) and that would had to have been done by February 28th. The loophole only means that instead of hitting the 48% limit by February, they have all season. But it doesn't mean they can develop any more than they already could. Honda are basically a year behind so they will be in the same position next season. In 2016; Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault will only be able to develop 41% of the unit whereas Honda will be able to develop 48% and so on.Basically, Honda probably won't actually be disadvantaged at all as they will still be in the same situation they would have been had the loophole not existed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator f1since08 110 Posted January 3, 2015 Author Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2015 Wynterdust said: Well, done a little bit of a search around and it seems, although the article is correct, it's somewhat worded to make it seem Honda will be at a heavy disadvantage. This season; Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari are able to develop 48% of their unit (32 tokens) and that would had to have been done by February 28th. The loophole only means that instead of hitting the 48% limit by February, they have all season. But it doesn't mean they can develop any more than they already could. Honda are basically a year behind so they will be in the same position next season. In 2016; Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault will only be able to develop 41% of the unit whereas Honda will be able to develop 48% and so on.Basically, Honda probably won't actually be disadvantaged at all as they will still be in the same situation they would have been had the loophole not existed. Ah, that makes sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VetteIfan 0 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Wynterdust said: Well, done a little bit of a search around and it seems, although the article is correct, it's somewhat worded to make it seem Honda will be at a heavy disadvantage. This season; Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari are able to develop 48% of their unit (32 tokens) and that would had to have been done by February 28th. The loophole only means that instead of hitting the 48% limit by February, they have all season. But it doesn't mean they can develop any more than they already could. Honda are basically a year behind so they will be in the same position next season. In 2016; Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault will only be able to develop 41% of the unit whereas Honda will be able to develop 48% and so on.Basically, Honda probably won't actually be disadvantaged at all as they will still be in the same situation they would have been had the loophole not existed. Renault have said (when the homologation was in effect) that the limiting factor with engine development was time, not tokens. So, in effect they can actually develop more than they could before, because they've now got the time to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buttonfan 5 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Looks like fishing's over Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liaveil 287 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 VetteIfan said: Wynterdust said: Well, done a little bit of a search around and it seems, although the article is correct, it's somewhat worded to make it seem Honda will be at a heavy disadvantage. This season; Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari are able to develop 48% of their unit (32 tokens) and that would had to have been done by February 28th. The loophole only means that instead of hitting the 48% limit by February, they have all season. But it doesn't mean they can develop any more than they already could. Honda are basically a year behind so they will be in the same position next season. In 2016; Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault will only be able to develop 41% of the unit whereas Honda will be able to develop 48% and so on.Basically, Honda probably won't actually be disadvantaged at all as they will still be in the same situation they would have been had the loophole not existed. Renault have said (when the homologation was in effect) that the limiting factor with engine development was time, not tokens. So, in effect they can actually develop more than they could before, because they've now got the time to. This is true. But saying that, Honda will have used the 2014 season as a development year while the others obviously wouldn't have been able to so even that disadvantage will be somewhat negated. Plus, if the other teams are taking longer to develop they won't be reaping the full benefit of the extra 48% for the whole season. It wouldn't surprise me if most of them use their 48% before the season opener.Saying all that though, I still think it's wrong that the FIA are allowing them the use of this loophole in the interest of fairness. It won't be encouraging many other manufacturers to supply engines if they know they can't develop to the same rules as the established suppliers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jiggy 5 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 He might be underage, but he's as cold as ice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liam12d 0 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Yay FIA have come up with a new system to prevent the likes of Verstappen from getting into F1: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117281 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buttonfan 5 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Too late though :p Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator MBKF1 91 Posted January 6, 2015 Moderator Share Posted January 6, 2015 This rule would have prevented Ricciardo and Raikkonen from entering F1! Seems like classic FIA, it's a solution to a problem that never properly existed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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