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Heard an F1 car from the campsite this morning, turns out Haas are doing a test? Can't quite tell who the driver is as I'm peering through a fence, but I think it's Kevin Magnusson's helmet.

EDIT: It's Antonio Giovinazzi.
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/strategy-group-halo-shield-decision-932802/

Oh boy.
Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, NO! I really don't like the halos and most of the drivers don't even like them. Head injury's are not very common and the drivers know it could happen at anytime. Plus there still many things that can get pass the halo design.
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F1 drivers are more likely to have an accident on the journey to the track than actually on it racing. F1 is safe and they accept the risks. The halo is an after thought and won't do the job properly.

F1 is gonna look back and regret this decision.
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Yea and if Codemasters include it in F1 18 cockpit view is going to be very annoying. If they really must have protection I'd much rather have a canopy like the F1 concept cars. Wheel tethers work really well already. I'm all for safety, but where does it end, driverless cars?
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The biggest problem I have with the halo, other than it being a poor solution to a wide problem, is the reason why it has been introduced and that's because it's a reaction to Bianchi's accident (I know there's been other accidents in other series but F1 really only started paying attention since the Bianchi crash). My couple of problems with that:

- The FIA's formal investigation in to it found that Jules was apparently driving "too fast", which is why he went off in the first place. 

- When he went off he hit a giant digger, instead of hitting the specially designed barriers. 

So the result of his accident was in no way down to the car's being open cockpit. And, as anyone who's seen the actual collision will know, the halo would not have saved Bianchi in any case. The impact was too violent. 

All in all not a brilliant day for F1. Apparently 9 out of the 10 teams were not in support of its introduction. 
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The FIA have opened a can of worms. Their decision to introduce the halo is down to a fear over getting sued if another fatal accident occurs in the future. However, with this decision, where do they draw the line? 9 of the 10 teams voted against it, the drivers voted against it, the fans despise it. It's bound to be unpopular, which is the last thing F1 needs right now.
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The halo is such a dumb solution to a problem that may or may not even exist. Of course safety is important, anyone that says otherwise (or those that say F1 is on,y good because it's risky and they chose to do it) are a special breed of odd.  Personally I prefer the shield/canopy solutions as they look better and address the issue better. The halo only protects from a car driving over the cockpit or deflecting a wheel. It wouldn't have protected Bianci, it wouldn't have protected Justin Wilson, it wouldn't have protected Massa. So in my book it isn't worth it. 

I tend to agree with Will Buxton on this one, let the teams come up with their own solutions. Set parameters that the device has to meet certain performance standards (deflect a wheel, withstand a part being shot into it, allow for easy extraction, etc.). Then let the teams develop what works best for them. These are the the best engineers and most innovative people around, let them loose to make the solution(s).
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Statistically, it doesn't even help the drivers that much. Drivers are 18 percent more protected as it is right now and it mostly blocks loose wheels, which will be more secure in 2018 after they'll add a third wire to keep them connected to the car after a crash.

Also, everybody, except for Ferrari, doesn't want the halo. It's been speculated that they're doing this solely because the FIA is scared and overly concerned with protecting themselves after getting sued by the Bianchi-family.
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I totally agree. Look at the falafel it caused when they introduced the stepped front nose. Then the t wing and now this pap. You can't win. 
 That was banned for safety reasons.... Probable down to it being able to chop your face off if something smacked into it. 
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I'm surprised the extra head protection got through in the first place but I'm even more surprised it's the halo and not the shield that's been decided. It's all already been said but I can't see (pun intended) how obscuring vision with that god awful thing will make anything safer.

I know it's been decided but I really wouldn't be surprised if it gets cancelled again. I (and apparantly 9 teams and nearly all drivers as well as nearly every fan) bloody hope anyway.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but having watched the 2008 Brazillian GP on sky last night, I have to say that other than the first few and last few laps, it was a fairly dull race. Average at best. The race for the lead was massively one sided (Vettel challenged for a bit, Alonso too until Massa ran off), Hamilton was in position I believe for most of the race until the rain came down, Raikkonen had a quiet race. Probably 10-15 genuinely exciting laps, and the rest were just meh.

Granted, the last few laps were particularly exciting. The 2012 race (which is currently on) has just been non-stop action in comparison. 2012 was such a good year for F1.
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I'm honestly just saying, because I was surprised. As I said, the first few and last few laps were top quality but the rest I was actually surprisingly bored. 2007 race was no better either, they showed that on wednesday. 

A classic title decider but not a classic race without that context.
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I'm talking purely as a neutral on this one. Take out the Vettel-Alonso battle and it is still a great race. I forgot just how long Hulkenberg led the race for, such a shame he made a stupid decision to overtake Lewis when he did.

Edit: Hamilton didn't have much competition all race from what I remember, he was mostly just going around in 4th. I was mostly waiting for the last few laps.
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2012 may have been an exciting race throughout, but NOTHING can beat the tension of the final 5 laps of 2008. Mixed conditions, Hamilton out of position, struggling for grip, Ferrari and Massa think they've won it, then an an overtake at the final corner to take the championship. What can possibly beat that? 
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I'm talking purely as a neutral on this one. Take out the Vettel-Alonso battle and it is still a great race. I forgot just how long Hulkenberg led the race for, such a shame he made a stupid decision to overtake Lewis when he did.

Edit: Hamilton didn't have much competition all race from what I remember, he was mostly just going around in 4th. I was mostly waiting for the last few laps.
Here's the catch, you can't speak as a neutral no matter how hard you try, cos you support the driver who won in 2012! I can't either, cos I support the driver who won in 2008. You'll always favour the races your favourite driver won, whether or not you say you're being neutral.

Like I'm guessing you don't consider Canada 2011 to be probably the best race of the last 20-30 years, mainly because Vettel stuffed it and didn't win.
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I'm talking purely as a neutral on this one. Take out the Vettel-Alonso battle and it is still a great race. I forgot just how long Hulkenberg led the race for, such a shame he made a stupid decision to overtake Lewis when he did.

Edit: Hamilton didn't have much competition all race from what I remember, he was mostly just going around in 4th. I was mostly waiting for the last few laps.
Here's the catch, you can't speak as a neutral no matter how hard you try, cos you support the driver who won in 2012! I can't either, cos I support the driver who won in 2008. You'll always favour the races your favourite driver won, whether or not you say you're being neutral.

Like I'm guessing you don't consider Canada 2011 to be probably the best race of the last 20-30 years, mainly because Vettel stuffed it and didn't win.
That's not really true. I think most people would agree that if you removed the title battles from both races and pretended they were the second race of the year, that 2012 was a more entertaining race the whole way through and that 2008 would have been considered a forgettable race by most. Sure, 2008 was worth the wait in the end, because it was definitely the most dramatic title clincher we've had, maybe not in all of the sports history because I haven't watched them all, but definitely for a while.  I'm only comparing them because Sky showed 3 classic races, nothing to do with the drivers involved.

And I do actually consider Canada to be one of the best races in the history of the sport, probably the best, objectively speaking. The race didn't end the way I'd have liked but it had no impact on the title and the whole was was just crazy to watch. And from a neutral point of view, the race was won on the last lap by a guy who crashed a couple of times, got a penalty and was in last not long before he took the lead, that's mad.
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I don't think anything I said warranted a low effort, meme response to be honest Prawn. From my initial comment to now I've spoken purely about the racing that doesn't include the title battlers. And for your information, I do believe that the last few laps of 2008 is the most dramatic way a title has been won and that Canada 2011 was, driver loyalty aside, the best race I've watched, so how can you just post that meme as a response? 


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It was a brilliant race, a perfect advertisement for F1 really. 6 years of racing later, and people still say how great it was, that is how you know it was special.

Edit: on the meme thing "I'm done" means "I'm out of here" or "I've had enough of this" type thing. But generally it gets said after someone says something stupid and you're frustrated. I don't think anything I said was stupid really.


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How many times do I have to spell it out AMS? You don't consider the races during Hamilton's title years as exciting, because you don't like Hamilton. I disagree, as do other Hamilton fans. I find the races during the Vettel years less exciting, you disagree as do other Vettel fans.

You can't look at it objectively, you can't just say "oh if it wasn't for the title", and you can't say Red Bull didn't dominate when they won the championships 4 years in a row. I'm done because we'll never agree and I can't be arsed to just repeat myself over and over.

Is that better than a meme? I'm not pissed off at you, or even upset with you, just I can't be bothered to constantly have to repeat that I find the Hamilton years more exciting because my favourite driver is winning, while you find the Vettel years more exciting because your favourite driver was winning.
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I wasn't talking about Vettel or Hamilton winning years at all though. I was just comparing two "classic races" shown by Sky on Friday and Thursday. And whether you believe it or not, I was talking purely about the racing on track, not the points table. I didn't mean it to come across as a stab at Hamilton or anyone at all.

I don't need anyone to agree with me or disagree about whether the 2012 title finale was more dramatic than 2008, it's a silly argument. 2012 is more important to me and 2008 is more important to Hamilton fans. But i'm perfectly willing to admit that 2008 was more dramatic because it was, I'm not consumed by fanboyism. But as I said, that's not a fact that pains me to admit or bothers me, because 2012 was a special race regardless.

But if we are, I enjoyed the 2008 F1 season more than 2013 or 2011. There was more competition for the title, which is ultimately what I want to see. For me it isnt all about who wins the title, but how they win it, that is what racing is all about. 

I'm not pissed off at you either, I just think you've got the wrong end of the stick.


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I thought so too, but now I know it won't be. That's because I've actually acquired some new sources, from some French Monsieur, who wishes to remain nameless, and he tells me that it's actually Kvyat who will be going to Ferrari! 

He also says Red Bull and Toro Rosso to quit F1 at the end of this year, Peugeot to re-enter F1 with McLaren, and Pastor Maldonado to join Liberty Media in a role called 'Director of Entertainment'.

Sounds mad, but believe me on this folks! If I'm wrong, I'll ban myself!
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MBKF1 said:
I thought so too, but now I know it won't be. That's because I've actually acquired some new sources, from some French Monsieur, who wishes to remain nameless, and he tells me that it's actually Kvyat who will be going to Ferrari! 

He also says Red Bull and Toro Rosso to quit F1 at the end of this year, Peugeot to re-enter F1 with McLaren, and Pastor Maldonado to join Liberty Media in a role called 'Director of Entertainment'.

Sounds mad, but believe me on this folks! If I'm wrong, I'll ban myself!
That's funny, usually you don't hear the Peugeot rumor until after Audi/VW has denied their interest at least three times. 

Kvyat in a Ferrari makes zero sense, even if you were going to purposely make outlandish click bait headlines. Which knowing Ferrari, might mean it's true, making Kvyat one of the luckiest SOBs in the sport. 
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MBKF1 said:
I thought so too, but now I know it won't be. That's because I've actually acquired some new sources, from some French Monsieur, who wishes to remain nameless, and he tells me that it's actually Kvyat who will be going to Ferrari! 

He also says Red Bull and Toro Rosso to quit F1 at the end of this year, Peugeot to re-enter F1 with McLaren, and Pastor Maldonado to join Liberty Media in a role called 'Director of Entertainment'.

Sounds mad, but believe me on this folks! If I'm wrong, I'll ban myself!
I wonder if Eddie Jordan has any French roots.
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Watch out lads, I have a massive bite.



You're just mad because he isn't getting a drive at Ferrari, like he was ever in with a chance. The only person crying about it is you, as you wanted to carry on arguing that he will drive for Ferrari, nice job...
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