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1 hour ago, Janneman60 said:

Still, 34 cars and a 2 days weekend isn't very entertaining to visit.

Any livestream available?

Unknown at the moment. Think the new promoter still has a lot of work to do: at least they know they have some cars on the grid now though! 

In previous years I would have said that entry number was an absolute disaster but, in the current climate, it isn't that bad. 

Seven permanent entries certainly isn't ideal, but I think five of those are strong Championship contenders, so it could be an interesting season. 

 

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https://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/world-rx/i/registeration-proccess/

Your thoughts on that ?

I mean, to me, it sounds good if it lets me to have access to inside videos, interview, special contents, more live coverage, a bit like what we had during the magic weekend in 2020 with Andrew & Molly.

The WRC app is cool. I woud love to have a WRX one.

I don't care about paying for this if, and only if, the content is here.

The absence of Andrew is still a pain for me. I am pretty sure that it is a cool format for him.

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I hope it's still going to be available on free-to-air television, as I personally can't justify spending money to watch it (I don't even pay to watch F1 as there's free highlights on TV in the evenings).

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7 hours ago, PJTierney said:

I hope it's still going to be available on free-to-air television, as I personally can't justify spending money to watch it (I don't even pay to watch F1 as there's free highlights on TV in the evenings).

I think there will be free highlights broadcast elsewhere. Like WRC I am happy to pay if the cost is justified by decent extra content. So that doesn't mean **** like Aftertrack...

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New commentary team announced. Given the silence from the Championship on the subject, I was expecting a complete set of fresh faces, so I am pleased to see the return of a couple of names; Hal is obviously very knowledgeable and I thought Molly was decent during the RallyX Nordic coverage.

Martin Haven is the only one of the new names I know (and I think he is good), so I shall reserve judgment on the rest of them until I have seen them in action...

...obviously disappointed that Andrew Coley isn't back, especially when they have retained Neil Cole. Always found him (Cole) to be a thoroughly underwhelming presenter and surprised to see him kept.

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Neil's better as a paddock reporter than a lead commentator, and that's the role he's doing here. Nice guy, massive DR2 fan.

WRX won't be the same without Coley, but Haven is rather good (big in endurance racing). Not as shouty though.

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Gah, ***, WRC's pay-for coverage isn't good, and whilst i've had it good for WRX the last few years with full live coverage on youtube, i really can't see subjecting myself to the awful **** that is WRC promoters coverage and billing system again - and what the heck? no Andrew Coley?!!! why?!!!

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17 hours ago, JamesMcAdam1987 said:

Hopefully, we will see Andrew Coley back for commenting the FIA WRX section of Dirt Rally 3. Isn't it @PJTierney ?

Wait, Am I an eternal dreamer ? 😬

Red Bull in indirect promoter of WRC, ERC, WRX, ERX, but also NRX. And Coley happens to be the voice at NRX now 😉 so would be perfect to get those 5 championships somehow in one game now 😮 

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So first round of 2021 in the history books, what did we all think? (Assuming anyone else here watched it! 😄)

For the most part I thought the coverage was pretty decent. Solid camera work and presentation (aside from the absence of tyre allocation graphics, hope they bring that back), weakest points had to be the feed dropping out for the first World semi and some inconsistencies from the commentary team(s). I hope that becomes less of an issue as the new (to rallycross) commentators learn the sport and drivers.

I didn't get to watch all of the Friday races, but didn't see Neil Cole in any of the coverage I watched so that was an added bonus.

Disappointed for Johan. That win should have been his and, although the rules were clearly broken, shame to see him put on the back foot through no fault of his own... that aside he looks to have some good speed in the Audi already. Gutted for Gronholm as well, was looking forward to seeing him in the final, definitely not the start to the Championship he wanted. Good showing from Abbring, despite (predictiably) a plethora of car issues.

Not to sure on the noise, but actually some good action from RX2e.

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8 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

So first round of 2021 in the history books, what did we all think? (Assuming anyone else here watched it! 😄)

For the most part I thought the coverage was pretty decent. Solid camera work and presentation (aside from the absence of tyre allocation graphics, hope they bring that back), weakest points had to be the feed dropping out for the first World semi and some inconsistencies from the commentary team(s). I hope that becomes less of an issue as the new (to rallycross) commentators learn the sport and drivers.

I didn't get to watch all of the Friday races, but didn't see Neil Cole in any of the coverage I watched so that was an added bonus.

Disappointed for Johan. That win should have been his and, although the rules were clearly broken, shame to see him put on the back foot through no fault of his own... that aside he looks to have some good speed in the Audi already. Gutted for Gronholm as well, was looking forward to seeing him in the final, definitely not the start to the Championship he wanted. Good showing from Abbring, despite (predictiably) a plethora of car issues.

Not to sure on the noise, but actually some good action from RX2e.

I quite agree 100% of what you've just said @tbtstt

Neil will start his season with the Loheac event, and then the rest of the season.

Even if I am not fan of Johan, I reckon he is one of the most greatest driver I have ever seen. His ability to adapt the car is such impressing. I feel sorry for him not to have see him winning it and really bored about the classic Hansen's overreacting moment. 

But this adds some real good expectations for the rest of the season. I already look forward seeing Holjes. 🙂

Quite happy overall by this new kind of coverage. The onboard section is awesome. The camera angles are so awesome.

I carry on thinking that it would have fit 100% for Andrew Coley and Dan Rooke. But, we can't have what we always dream of.

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Red Bull TV was a good free solution for UK residents, as it meant the Final was in HD for once.

  • Graphics were good, nice and clean.
     
  • Broadcast flow was good, there was almost no gap between each race, and they packed the Finals Show all into an hour.
     
  • Commentators were okay. Haven's more of an endurance guy (the exact opposite of rallycross) but he'll pick it up. The lack of Coley does hurt though.
     
  • WRX's social output was rather poor, consisting almost entirely of results graphics. No real photos or clips of note were shared, rather disappointing.
    I'm sure they have their reasons for doing it the way they do (probably can't share video during the TV broadcast), but in all fairness I feel I did a better job sharing the esports action back when we had the World Series.
     
  • The racing itself was good though, but I get the sense that Kristoffersson is much faster than the rest of the field, and would have walked it had he gotten front row starts.
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I think if you're the three non-Johan championship contenders (Timmy, Kevin and Niclas), you're walking away from this weekend thanking your lucky stars that Johan got the Q1 DSQ and isn't walking away from this weekend with a perfect score. I know Timmy was talking about being lucky from the race weekend because of this in the Red Bull TV Post show too, and I'm sure they'll notice in the post race data that Johan had multiple fastest laps of the day (or weekend? couldn't tell with the graphics on the broadcast) during his semi-final and the final. Big big disappointment for Gronholm, that's another poor start to his championship hopes.

But man, I'm looking at the rest of the calendar and its hard to say that anyone is going to be beating Johan for this year's title. We've got the following:

  • Holjes: Johan won 17, 18, and 20 R1 (the S1 under Ekstrom won in 20 R2). Timmy won on the road in 15 but got a DSQ for his push. 
  • Loheac: Johan won 16, 17, and 18 (but 18 was less of a Johan win and more of an EKS loss from bad strategy). Timmy won in 19. 
  • Riga doubleheader: Won 17, 18, 20 R1. Timmy won in 19. The S1 under Ekstrom won R2. 
  • Spa-Francorchamps: None of the contenders have won here, but a few things of note: at least from what's been mentioned on the broadcast in 19 and 20, GRX-SET's i20 and EKS JC's S1's are quite strong here, but the 208 seems to struggle a bit in the loose stuff without consistent grip levels.
  • Montalegre: Won in 15, 18, the S1 under Ekstrom won in 17 (albeit with an older generation S1).
  • Nurburgring: New track so no comments there.

The new team adjustment period would be a concern for Johan and EKS JC but I think on pace alone, this weekend would've dispelled any concerns about that. There was obviously that error on the team's part in Q1 but that's plainly a one off error. There's going to have to be some serious work for the other teams to make sure the pace is there, especially for the doubleheaders too.

 

 

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Sad to see no Coley & Rook, anyone know what happened?  Did the resulting commentary team end up looking like the back-up commentators the BBC used to do where it was clear they don't know the sport?

 

Still not going to pay for it, that's why adverts exist, sucks as it's the only real motorsport i've watched in the last few years, now, nothing 😞

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9 hours ago, JamesMcAdam1987 said:

Quite happy overall by this new kind of coverage. The onboard section is awesome. The camera angles are so awesome.

I thought some of the camera work was good. Was chuckling that they were using a spot I loved taking pictures at in the past!

8 hours ago, PJTierney said:
  • The racing itself was good though, but I get the sense that Kristoffersson is much faster than the rest of the field, and would have walked it had he gotten front row starts.

Yeah, first time out in the car with - from what I can gather - minimal testing. 208's have been strong in Barcelona in the past and Johan was still putting fastest laps on them.

3 hours ago, SaltyEnferno said:

But man, I'm looking at the rest of the calendar and its hard to say that anyone is going to be beating Johan for this year's title. We've got the following:

  • Holjes: Johan won 17, 18, and 20 R1 (the S1 under Ekstrom won in 20 R2). Timmy won on the road in 15 but got a DSQ for his push. 
  • Loheac: Johan won 16, 17, and 18 (but 18 was less of a Johan win and more of an EKS loss from bad strategy). Timmy won in 19. 
  • Riga doubleheader: Won 17, 18, 20 R1. Timmy won in 19. The S1 under Ekstrom won R2. 
  • Spa-Francorchamps: None of the contenders have won here, but a few things of note: at least from what's been mentioned on the broadcast in 19 and 20, GRX-SET's i20 and EKS JC's S1's are quite strong here, but the 208 seems to struggle a bit in the loose stuff without consistent grip levels.
  • Montalegre: Won in 15, 18, the S1 under Ekstrom won in 17 (albeit with an older generation S1).
  • Nurburgring: New track so no comments there.

The new team adjustment period would be a concern for Johan and EKS JC but I think on pace alone, this weekend would've dispelled any concerns about that. There was obviously that error on the team's part in Q1 but that's plainly a one off error. There's going to have to be some serious work for the other teams to make sure the pace is there, especially for the doubleheaders too.

Good stat work! Johan has recent Supercar experience at Holjes as well, I think the next round could be rather interesting. 

1 hour ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Sad to see no Coley & Rook, anyone know what happened?  Did the resulting commentary team end up looking like the back-up commentators the BBC used to do where it was clear they don't know the sport?

Er, not exactly. The WEC chap is enthusiastic enough, though needs to learn the details. Hal (Ridge) has forgotten more about rallycross then most people know (and that includes Andrew Coley). 

Molly is excellent, think she proved herself during the RallyX Nordic coverage and the same applies here as well. Plus the coverage had the added bonus of not having Neil Cole (shame he is still joining the team later in the season: thought we got shot of him!). 

Weakest link is the commentary team doing the supporting classes. Sure they will improve once they learn the sport/drivers though. I am huge Coley fan, but a lot of people seem to forget he wasn't that clued up when he started. 

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So Höljes happened.

 

World RX Twitter only posted standings but the races themselves were on RedBull.tv.

Production quality of the broadcast at least was good, and with Martin Haven at Le Mans they got somebody more suited to rallycross to commentate (still no Coley though).

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3 hours ago, PJTierney said:

So Höljes happened.

 

World RX Twitter only posted standings but the races themselves were on RedBull.tv.

Production quality of the broadcast at least was good, and with Martin Haven at Le Mans they got somebody more suited to rallycross to commentate (still no Coley though).

Really good weekend. I have enjoyed watching it !

I think Nick Fellows made the job. It was really entertaining ! (I know this is not the opinion of everyone but I do prefer him to Martin).

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It was like hearing a commentator of truck racing or monster trucks. Not really my taste to be honest.
The entries for WRX were a bit low, basically 9 good entries (not counting Mozer). 
Euro had a very wide range of drivers. It would be great that the top Euro RX1 would had raced in WRX. The times were super close.

The coverage has been more than good on RX+, easy to watch back aswell (as I was on holiday still).

@PJTierney, ofcourse there is no news about a potentiel DiRT Title with Rallycross in it. But maybe you can work together with WRX (and later WRC also) that when the player buys the game, that there is a code for a little discount for RX+ (or WRC+).

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Disappointed not to be in Loheac this weekend (first round I have missed there since 2013), will be tuning in and keeping my fingers crossed that Johan can have a trouble free weekend. 

He has let the Hansens get a head start, now time to start bringing some points in!

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Absolutely gutted for Johan. TQ and a chance to start gaining on Timmy, then issues in the semi and a missed final. 

I hope JK can prove me wrong, but with a relatively short season (and low entry numbers), I think it is going to be very difficult to stop Timmy now. 

Pity they didn't let Kevin (Hansen) joker earlier in the final: I thought he looked quicker than Timmy. 

Disappointing result for Gronholm as well. Had the early pace, but just didn't have that edge in the second half of the weekend.

Plenty of drama in the Euros. Real shame for JB Dubourg and Bakkerud. Both denied good finishes. Think Munnich is a deserving winner though, so pleasing result there. 

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11 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Absolutely gutted for Johan. TQ and a chance to start gaining on Timmy, then issues in the semi and a missed final. 

I hope JK can prove me wrong, but with a relatively short season (and low entry numbers), I think it is going to be very difficult to stop Timmy now. 

Pity they didn't let Kevin (Hansen) joker earlier in the final: I thought he looked quicker than Timmy. 

Disappointing result for Gronholm as well. Had the early pace, but just didn't have that edge in the second half of the weekend.

Plenty of drama in the Euros. Real shame for JB Dubourg and Bakkerud. Both denied good finishes. Think Munnich is a deserving winner though, so pleasing result there. 

Yeah, what a drama weekend at Lohéac. 

I am still crying for Bakkerud. I was so sad in front of my screen. 

Again, what a shame for Johan. Reminds me the lack of luck of Doran last year. Hopefully, he will back stronger. Audi has always a good pace at Riga, so he can make the double shot and come back in the overall standing.

I can't imagine a double Hansen for the last thermic year. I really can't imagine that. :classic_ninja:

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Its testament to Johan's pace this year that we could just as easily been talking about a Johan clean sweep in all three rounds of TQ and race wins, but his biggest competition this year has been from the car itself. A strange place since EKS JC is a group that is usually very on top of their technical game. 

I don't think its impossible for Johan to take the championship still but its going to have to take some perfect weekends for him to do so.

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13 minutes ago, SaltyEnferno said:

Its testament to Johan's pace this year that we could just as easily been talking about a Johan clean sweep in all three rounds of TQ and race wins, but his biggest competition this year has been from the car itself. A strange place since EKS JC is a group that is usually very on top of their technical game. 

I don't think its impossible for Johan to take the championship still but its going to have to take some perfect weekends for him to do so.

Usually on top yes. But this year? Are still the best people working on the car? Is Mathias Ekstrom still strongly involved? Is there sufficient budget to ask for the best car?

A lot of questions and still is can all be bad luck.

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4 hours ago, Janneman60 said:

Usually on top yes. But this year? Are still the best people working on the car? Is Mathias Ekstrom still strongly involved? Is there sufficient budget to ask for the best car?

A lot of questions and still is can all be bad luck.

I think we can say that they haven't dipped in management skills; they merged with JC Raceteknik at the start of the year and Joel has been running the team since then. Don't forget, Ekstrom hasn't been involved in the actual race operations of EKS since 2018, in 2019 EKS ran the Monster Energy RX Cartel program and Ekstrom served as a race advisor a few times, and in 2020 EKS was the partner for JC Raceteknik. If anything, they're in a stronger position in terms of management now than in the previous two years. 

There was an interesting choice in terms of the car development where they removed the front fender vents (visible in this picture), which would theoretically lead to the car understeering more as the front wheel arches cannot remove the pressure from that side of the car, unlike the rears. See this post about the Fabia RX from wrcwings.tech for the full details about the fender vents. 

Having said all of this though, I do think this is just really bad luck on Johan's side since Ide's car has been running virtually perfect, and Johan didn't have a car related problem which hampered him in Barcelona (that was a team/personnel error). What's been the advantage of the Hansens this year have been the same as always; that they have two championship contenders in the same team and can afford to play the team game 24/7. 

 

Would've loved to see a Kristoffersson/Bakkerud lineup in EKS JC this year. 😔

 

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22 hours ago, Janneman60 said:

Usually on top yes. But this year? Are still the best people working on the car? Is Mathias Ekstrom still strongly involved? Is there sufficient budget to ask for the best car?

From what I have gathered EKS JC seem to be very strong internally. New build last year and another new chassis coming for next year, so there is clearly funding coming in. I guess my only concern with JC at the moment is that running cars in NRX might stretch the team a little thin. 

Johan is using a 2018+ specification car and Ide is in an identical specification car, so they are fielding the best they have in WRX... 

...it is just unfortunate that Johan seems to be having a bad run. With two drivetrain failures in three races I do wonder if JK is driving the car in such a way that is causing issues? His style doesn't seem massively different to Ekstrom though, and he had minimal issues in the S1 last year. 

18 hours ago, SaltyEnferno said:

Having said all of this though, I do think this is just really bad luck on Johan's side since Ide's car has been running virtually perfect, and Johan didn't have a car related problem which hampered him in Barcelona (that was a team/personnel error). What's been the advantage of the Hansens this year have been the same as always; that they have two championship contenders in the same team and can afford to play the team game 24/7. 

It was my personal belief - and I'm sure that some will disagree with me - that the Peugeot Sport 208 was the best car in terms of raw speed, it was just let down by reliability (especially when they introduced the evo car in 2018). With Hansen Motorsport seemingly conquering those problems, I think they have a very competitive package now. 

As you say, they are very good at playing the team game. I thought that Kevin was clearly faster in the Loheac final, but he did as they team bid and sat behind Timmy. 

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The full litany of things has happened to Johan this year and I don't even know what could possibly happen next. From the replay you can see a slight spark when Johan's car contact Gronholm's as he moves across, so I think what happened was their wheels must've contacted exactly correctly for the spokes to hit each other, which then threw Johan's car off. Excellent drive from Gronholm to take the victory though. Real shame for Ekstrom, he was doing really well in that Ibiza. A solid round for both the Hansens, they seemed to be struggling a bit for the setup but still got solid points from both.

Let's see what tomorrow's round brings.

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I am a Niclas fan, but was cursing at the screen when I saw Johan go spiralling off into the barrier! Denied of a chance to make good dent in the Hansen lead in the Championship standing and I personally thought that was avoidable, but that is rallycross. 

No question Gronholm had great speed this weekend though and very impressive stuff (as usual really) from Ekstrom. Solid proof that the Ibiza is rather underrated. Notable that Timo looked quick this weekend as well. 

Very pleased with yesterdays result, a long overdue first S1 victory for Johan. Was hoping that there would be more points taken out of the leaders, but just three points between Kristoffersson and Kevin, twenty to Timmy. Twenty points in four rounds isn't going to be easy to gain, but I still think it is possible. Fingers crossed!
 

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1 hour ago, tbtstt said:

Twenty points in four rounds isn't going to be easy to gain, but I still think it is possible.

He'll need 4 overall wins and probably 2-3 TQs on top of that. If Timmy podiums every event (which he should) then it's going to be really tough to catch him.

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46 minutes ago, JorritVD said:

Interesting (new) part in the ERX/WRX sporting regulations for this season.
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So basically, if you're in the FIA series you can't use your livery or association with WRX in Nitro Rallycross.

 

It's all legalese but that's what it looks like to me; an attempt to stop Nitro Rallycross from pulling talent/attention away from World RX.

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1 hour ago, PJTierney said:

So basically, if you're in the FIA series you can't use your livery or association with WRX in Nitro Rallycross.

 

It's all legalese but that's what it looks like to me; an attempt to stop Nitro Rallycross from pulling talent/attention away from World RX.

well, i also ready that FIA (or its nominee) can use its competitiors cars in its games. 

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14 minutes ago, JorritVD said:

well, i also ready that FIA (or its nominee) can use its competitiors cars in its games. 

That's pretty standard. If you have (or might have in the future*) an official game you need to have permission to use the official cars. 

For DiRT Rally 2.0 that was all dealt with through the individual manufacturers I believe, which is why there's no Skoda or Hyundai rallycross cars in the game.

 

 

* Standard disclaimer: I'm not "dropping hints" or anything, I legit don't know what WRX is planning.

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19 hours ago, PJTierney said:

He'll need 4 overall wins and probably 2-3 TQs on top of that. If Timmy podiums every event (which he should) then it's going to be really tough to catch him.

Yeah it is possible but not going to be easy, even for Johan!

Might need to get Mattias back to run interference again...

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On 9/20/2021 at 7:37 AM, tbtstt said:

I am a Niclas fan, but was cursing at the screen when I saw Johan go spiralling off into the barrier! Denied of a chance to make good dent in the Hansen lead in the Championship standing and I personally thought that was avoidable, but that is rallycross. 

It was avoidable (and you could see them give each other space in the second final) but it was such a freak occurrence, side by side contact like that very very rarely has the wheels touch on the spokes enough to launch the other car.

Anyways, after 5 rounds in I think I have some thoughts on the commentary and production that I want to talk about now.

Some good things out of the way first:

  • Smooth production and graphic choices, the scoreboard is easy to display, I like how the Joker lap indicator is merged into a highlighting of the leaderboard name which is slicker but perhaps not as immediately clear as the previous checkmark beside the names.
  • Use of drones to get corners is a nice addition to the camera angles we have
  • There seems to be slightly less broadcast related delays/dead time
  • Trackside interviews seem slightly better although that's partially because both Ben Constanduros and Molly Petit are better interviewers than Neil Cole is. 

Now some of my personal negative points I've picked up:

  • Commentary is mismatched in energy level/speaking style all the time: Martin Haven has good emphasis on when to be excited and when to let the moment breathe, albeit always seemed a little down on energy and spoke slightly slower than I felt is optimal for lead commentary in Rallycross (but probably great for Endurance which is where he comes from).
  • Nick Fellows to my knowledge, has more of an Action sports background (skiing, snowboarding) but has done the Thoroughbred Grand Prix (Historic Formula One) but in my opinion he's just not suited for commentating Rallycross. Constantly slow on describing actual action (who's leading into turn x, who's slow/putting pressure, what the joker merge is like) and has some strange emphasis at times with his voice. Has enough of a gravely voice that I just think of him as Gravel guy now 😄. The strength of Coley's commentary was twofold: speed while retaining detail, and his level of personal interaction with the drivers and the sport. 
  • I love Hal for his journalistic work and he knows more about Rallycross than I ever will, but I think he commentates the way that a news reporter delivers a frantic "live on the location" report. Less is more sometimes. Watching some of the RallyX Nordic coverage I think that Hal strikes a better balance there, but that's also because Coley's turn by turn commentary is stronger than the other two in World RX. 

Overall, I think the broadcast has improved on the production values but my enthusiasm for watching the live rounds has definitely diminished a bit, and not just because Coley and Rooke are gone from the broadcast. 

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48 minutes ago, PJTierney said:

I'd agree with all that. Production has improved (and it's on Red Bull TV which is nice) but commentary's not sitting right. It's hard to replace Coley/Rooke, they were perfect for this.

I am struggling with Nick Fellows. Don't mind the passionate commentary, but he is making a lot of little errors, which really irked me during the Riga coverage. 

I do recall Andrew Coley making a few blunders in the start (with driver names and missing "the bigger picture"), but maybe Nick should calm down a little bit and focus on the details.

Hal is the only reason I haven't muted the commentary, as he is a wealth of information. Hopefully Nick will improve or they will replace him (bring back Dan Rooke!).

With regards to the drone shots I agree they are very cool, but I think they are being a bit overused. I guess someone has been watching the RallyX Nordic coverage but, in my personal opinion, they utilised those shots more sparingly and which made them much more effective. 

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  • The title was changed to 2021 FIA World Rallycross Championship • 2021 Nitro Rallycross Championship

Here's a quick question for you all, which of the current Supercars do you think is the fastest? For me, its probably the Subarus and that's solely because they're the last remaining factory effort left in the game. The latest iteration of the WRXs have fender vents, more rear travel, and some better front aero as well which is evidence of their continued evolutions. I just don't think the other teams have the resources to compete in terms of continued developments. Although, I do think the VW Motorsports Polo probably has the edge on drivability and it has the widest operating window for conditions.

(I swear if in Launch Control I hear Lance going "we're a SMALL team going up against the biggest companies in the world" again....)

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