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2 hours ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Is/was there a story behind the low attendance etc.? what was the champ standings in the end then? i didn't even realise it was the season closer.

It isn't. Still 2 rounds to go in Germany weekend 27/28 november.

There are only 8 permanent drivers. Abbring decided not to drive, so 7 left.

In my opinion in this way to have a world championship is complete nonsens.

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16 hours ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Is/was there a story behind the low attendance etc.? what was the champ standings in the end then? i didn't even realise it was the season closer.

Abbring sat out Portugal as a protest against what happened in Spa. Cost him 10,000 Euros, wonder if he'll do the same for the last rounds in Germany.  

I don't want to jump on the Hansen bashing bandwagon, but I do think there has long been a problem with consistency in penalties. From all the evidence available to us (as spectators) it appears as though Kevin left Johan nowhere to go, yet Johan got the penalty. 

Perhaps more detailed reports from the officials would help in these situations, as the officials are likely drawing on additional data we cannot see. 

I haven't given up hope, but it is a big gap for JK to close in the last two rounds, so it seems likely that Timmy will get another Championship. 

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Sunday started well, but not ended not that well with not entering the final.
I had a mistake in Q1 that caused damage to the left front. 
No idea if technical was still ok after some repairs, but i think my confidence hurted a bit aswell and I wasn't on the pace anymore.
Also noticed maybe the lack of sleep during the week didnt help also

Despite that, i was mega quick in practice and Q1.
Being just 3-4 seconds of the pace of the top drivers is quite an achievement on which i'm proud off.
Dont forget this is my only second event, and some of the top drivers already drive 10 years, have lighter cars, have almost double the horsepower, have short ratio gearboxes and have been champions in Netherlands or Belgium. It's basically driving a Formula 2 / Formula 3 car against a Formula 1 car. Or a rental go-kart against a professional go-kart.

Doesn't mean I would be battling for the win if I would be in the same car. The lack of experience/knowledge of the joker at the Eurocircuit also hurted me in Q2/Q3. My teammate in a similar car (but than 4-door BMW E36) managed to take two seconds of me there. 

Looks like this was my final event of this year. will make this week my second vlog and than will see what the future will bring. 

Kan een afbeelding zijn van auto en buitenshuis

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16 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Sunday started well, but not ended not that well with not entering the final.
I had a mistake in Q1 that caused damage to the left front. 
No idea if technical was still ok after some repairs, but i think my confidence hurted a bit aswell and I wasn't on the pace anymore.
Also noticed maybe the lack of sleep during the week didnt help also

Despite that, i was mega quick in practice and Q1.
Being just 3-4 seconds of the pace of the top drivers is quite an achievement on which i'm proud off.
Dont forget this is my only second event, and some of the top drivers already drive 10 years, have lighter cars, have almost double the horsepower, have short ratio gearboxes and have been champions in Netherlands or Belgium. It's basically driving a Formula 2 / Formula 3 car against a Formula 1 car. Or a rental go-kart against a professional go-kart.

Doesn't mean I would be battling for the win if I would be in the same car. The lack of experience/knowledge of the joker at the Eurocircuit also hurted me in Q2/Q3. My teammate in a similar car (but than 4-door BMW E36) managed to take two seconds of me there. 

Looks like this was my final event of this year. will make this week my second vlog and than will see what the future will bring. 

Kan een afbeelding zijn van auto en buitenshuis

Such a shame man. Failing is part of the journey, though. I know it sounds strange but mistakes aren't a bad thing, they make your learning curve steeper and ultimately a better driver. I hope you can keep racing 👍

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Glad to see the car fixed already @JorritVD, obviously not an enjoyable end to the day but, as others have said, it is all part of the learning curve! Still think you have had a good start to your rallycross career, fingers crossed you get plenty of opportunities to race next year. 

In other rallycross news, the British Rallycross Championship was back at Lydden last weekend. Plenty of decent racing, but an especially cool Supercar final under floodlight. 

 


Thought it was better than the night race last year. A good example of how the joker can actually make the racing more interesting as well.

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3 hours ago, ricxxV2 said:

Btw, the commentator is Luke Crane aka Actrollvision who used to organise and commentate sim racing championships and finally managed to become a real life motorsport commentator. 

Ah, I wondered who he was. Thought he was pretty decent, definitely enthusiastic (and apparently really likes the word "indeed"!).

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On 11/10/2021 at 5:22 PM, ricxxV2 said:

Btw, the commentator is Luke Crane aka Actrollvision who used to organise and commentate sim racing championships and finally managed to become a real life motorsport commentator. 

He commentated on the DiRT 4 World Championship. 🙂 

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12 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Anyone watch NRX at the weekend? I am very ambivalent about it at the moment; I certainly don't hate it, but it isn't exciting me in the same way as other International or National rallycross series. 

I knew it was on (because I was seeing the video links in Discord) but had no desire to tune in at all.

I guess it's due to the following:

  • Time difference between Europe and America
  • Me wanting to stay off YouTube until I had watched F1 (I don't watch the races live because I don't have Sky Sports)
  • The negative experience of the first round's broadcast (which had far too much dead air compared to World RX).
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On 11/16/2021 at 9:43 PM, tbtstt said:

Anyone watch NRX at the weekend? I am very ambivalent about it at the moment; I certainly don't hate it, but it isn't exciting me in the same way as other International or National rallycross series. 

I have seen the action back on YouTube. The Nitro RX channel has playlists of both days, so it is easy to watch back without waiting.
Although it is missing a lot of context therefore, for example why there is no Bennett / Doran etc in the Battle Brackets. Also seeing an LCQ with Larsson, because he got a penalty. 

Maybe we as closely follow RX missing these details, but maybe these details aren't that important for the target group of NRX.

For me the most boring part are the battle brackets even though there were a few good battles/stories (lol that Larsson/Hansen battle).
A problem I have is that the good drivers at that point get even more seat time.
Rather I see qualifying heats, maybe with the addition of points for you finishing position (like Titans) so you still have the "entertainment".

Also something a factor that I not like is amount of damage the cars get of the track. Even the Hansens now had driveshaft issues.
That is also the lack of experience of some drivers. The tracks are a bit to much Motocross style, and i think for the people who did Motocross games, a lot about it is not going flat-out, but about timing it perfect. I really expected Doran and Larsson to be at the front with their driving style (remembering Doran at Spa in 2019), but they seem really to struggle with both the car and the loose. 

Overall, its not bad, just the expectations don't meet with what is happening. Although I think it would be massively fun to have the NRX tracks/cars in DR2.0.

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1 hour ago, JorritVD said:

Overall, its not bad, just the expectations don't meet with what is happening. Although I think it would be massively fun to have the NRX tracks/cars in DR2.0.

This is a good recap of what I think about NRX as well. 
The Battle Brackets are really boring to watch as most of time everything is decided by the first corner.
The sunday's races are cool to watch, but as Steve says, no excitment as I can have for the World RX.

Indeed, massively fun to play it in game :classic_ninja:

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3 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Also something a factor that I not like is amount of damage the cars get of the track. Even the Hansens now had driveshaft issues.

I am far from a fan of Timmy or Kevin, but credit to the Hansen engineers for putting a car together that seems to be handling the terrain better than most (aside from maybe the i20, which has been pretty reliable as well).

The Subaru looks by far the best suited car, but then it should be really given the teams budget and the extensive testing and modifications they have made to those cars. 

3 hours ago, JorritVD said:

I really expected Doran and Larsson to be at the front with their driving style (remembering Doran at Spa in 2019), but they seem really to struggle with both the car and the loose. 

The Audis don't seem to have fared at all well with the transition to NRX. I wonder if maybe JC EKS are spreading themselves a bit too thin with such a big program in the US and WRX as well. I hope we see those cars back in action in Europe next year. 

3 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Overall, its not bad, just the expectations don't meet with what is happening. Although I think it would be massively fun to have the NRX tracks/cars in DR2.0.

Agree. The drivers do seem to be enjoying it (when the cars aren't breaking!).


In other rallycross news I see that the British 5 Nations Championship officially called their season. There was talk of a replacement for Spa, but that is off now. Champions in all classes confirmed except Supercar, which is still pending an investigation...

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Pretty dramatic first day of the closing WRX weekend. Huge smash for Knapick, so glad to read he is OK. Fantastic drive for Belevsky and a bit of a disaster of a day for both Kevin and Timmy Hansen.

Just four points between Timmy and Johan now. I hope Kevin stays out of the picture tomorrow and we get a clean fight upfront. Kevin seemed pretty unhappy during the final interview though, so I wonder how aggressive he will be on track tomorrow.

I am rooting for Kristoffersson!

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Pretty intense finish! I am unashamedly a JK fanboy, so really pleased to see him take the title. Can only assume that the pressure got to Timmy which has really surprised me, as he has always seemed good at handling that in the past. Both of his semi-final drives this weekend have seemed a bit desperate though and that has cost him the title.

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What a poor track it is. It more feels like an RX ovaly. From what I have been told, the facilities there were not cool, the pit line was very far and the organisation was not cool. I hope next year the new promoter will manage this in a better way.

On the race side, I have watched the replay this night. Could not believe what I was watching. How could Timmy be so bad in strategy ? I mean, we all know that JK is fast but Timmy only had to « follow » him quietly. Kevin would have done the guard dog behind him like he did by the past and all would have been fine for him.
I am happy but the end, now, Timmy knows what it makes to lost by equal points. Bakkerud’s vibes

I would also add that justice has been finally made regarding the unfair steward’s decisions all season long.

Quite happy of the season overall. 

Now, let's see what the future will bring us on the real side, as on the Dirt RX side... :o)

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47 minutes ago, James__McAdam said:

From what I have been told, the facilities there were not cool, the pit line was very far

They used the F1 pit garages, which are at the other end of the circuit.

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6 hours ago, James__McAdam said:

What a poor track it is. It more feels like an RX ovaly. From what I have been told, the facilities there were not cool, the pit line was very far and the organisation was not cool. I hope next year the new promoter will manage this in a better way.

Maybe I am biased because of the outcome, but I didn't think it was that terrible. Was a bit uncertain at the start of the weekend (because of the snow!), but OK once it got faster. Reminded me a lot of Killarney, except with elevation. Dirt joker was cool as well.  

6 hours ago, James__McAdam said:

On the race side, I have watched the replay this night. Could not believe what I was watching. How could Timmy be so bad in strategy ? I mean, we all know that JK is fast but Timmy only had to « follow » him quietly. Kevin would have done the guard dog behind him like he did by the past and all would have been fine for him.

Yep, agreed. Just control the gap, use Kevin to slow JK if possible and/or hold off the rest of the field. Saturday obviously did the damage point wise, but I think it must have had a psychological toll as well. Then you come out Sunday morning, put in four "hell of a laps" only to have Johan take over a second out of your time. 

Impressive driving from Belevsky on Saturday and Ide on Sunday. Easily the best weekend of the year for Enzo, shame he got tangled in the final as I thought he deserved a good result.

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So, I've been out of the WRX loop for a year or two, but looking at the result lists during events, the entry lists I've seen seems really... concerning. 6-10 Supercars? I honestly hope I looked at the wrong lists..

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3 hours ago, bogani said:

So, I've been out of the WRX loop for a year or two, but looking at the result lists during events, the entry lists I've seen seems really... concerning. 6-10 Supercars? I honestly hope I looked at the wrong lists..

Montalegre had 7, that was the lowest I saw.

Apparently there are 14 committed to next year.

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35 minutes ago, PJTierney said:

Montalegre had 7, that was the lowest I saw.

Apparently there are 14 committed to next year.

I always see that 14 "committed". As far as I know 14 kits to build a car were sold. But that doesn't mean 14 entry's. Maybe some don't get the budget together, maybe some teams use 1 for testing. I think it will be 10-12 cars next year.

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16 minutes ago, bogani said:

So, 7 cars battling for 6 spots in the final. That's a travesty.

WRX and Rallycross in general were hit pretty hard of Covid. A switch of promoter and the push/vision of introduce electric by the old promoter also not helped on this moment.
 

WRX is/was the only world championship where no manufacturers are committed to basically (compared to WTCR, F1, WRC, WEC, etc) and also is a bit less professional overall.
 

You can also see that Rallycross and an huge cost increase since the WRX started, while its still young makes things also more insecure. In F1 there are a lot of contracts for multi year. In Rallycross that’s not the case. 

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1 hour ago, Janneman60 said:

I always see that 14 "committed". As far as I know 14 kits to build a car were sold. But that doesn't mean 14 entry's. Maybe some don't get the budget together, maybe some teams use 1 for testing. I think it will be 10-12 cars next year.

Yup, a minimum of 14 Kreisel kits have been reserved/sold. It’s not very clear to be honest.

But I don’t know if the STARD cars also can compete. as there are a few of those and could boost the grids. Some Fiesta and at least one factory Citroen C3.

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There will be a change, as World RX looks to be split and will be fully electric with RX2e next to it. Probably no other support series as they want to be fully electric, or they are electric. 

next to it will be a old-skool European Rallycross with ICE engines. So Supercars (RX1), Super1600 (RX3) and possible return of Touring Cars (RX4) and who knows some crosscarts. My target is to compete in one round of the Euros next year (RX3 or RX4). 

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On 11/30/2021 at 5:46 PM, bogani said:

So, 7 cars battling for 6 spots in the final. That's a travesty.

As @JorritVDhas already said there were a lot of factors that hit World RX this year. It seems a long way from where the Championship was a few years but, in the current climate, I am just thankful that we had a Championship this year.

Going to be very interesting to see who goes where next year. 14 kits sold and, based on the teams who have confirmed purchases, it looks like there will at least be more permanent entries next year. I am intrigued to see what cars end up in the Euros and what the calendar for next year is. 

Skim watched the last NRX round over the weekend so need to fill in a few blanks today. Again I found it entertaining but, even with the difference in grid sizes, WRX was more enjoyable for me this year. 

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2 hours ago, tbtstt said:

As @JorritVDhas already said there were a lot of factors that hit World RX this year. It seems a long way from where the Championship was a few years
 

True. But just look at a lot of other series, truckracing, touring cars, dtm, formula E. It lasts as long as enough manufacturers are there and then it just struggles on. WRX is 'just' anorher series on that list and it is no surprise for me. Only it is hit a bit harder because covid makes things worse.

Yet to be seen if E-WRX survives at all. If those 14 kits are still the only ones sold next year this time it looks like the end of that road.

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3 hours ago, Janneman60 said:

True. But just look at a lot of other series, truckracing, touring cars, dtm, formula E. It lasts as long as enough manufacturers are there and then it just struggles on. WRX is 'just' anorher series on that list and it is no surprise for me. Only it is hit a bit harder because covid makes things worse.

Yet to be seen if E-WRX survives at all. If those 14 kits are still the only ones sold next year this time it looks like the end of that road.

Yeah, time will tell on that one. Have to say I was rather surprised by the news the uptake had been that high (I wasn't expecting double figures the first year), so it will be interesting to see how that pans out. Will it attract more interest during the first year, or will it fizzle out before the end of the season. 

I also think it will be interesting to see how fans react in person to the electric cars.

Very curious to see how the entries go for NRX next year as well. Apparently Supercar will continue as a support class, so will the existing competitors look at both the electric and Supercar class there, or ditch one for the other? I wonder how keen a lot of the entrants (especially JC Raceteknik) will be for next year given the high rate of attrition this season. 

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2022 World RX calendar (with one TBC) revealed:

2022-Calendar-Graphic_64ebf_f_1400x788.p

Also announced are new format changes for 2022:

https://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/world-rx/news/world-rx/2021/format-changes-set-to-enhance-the-racing-in-2022/

The Superpole idea sounds like it might be fun, but I am really not sure on the other format changes. Reduction in the number of heat races isn't so good, and the changes to the latter stages of the event seem to be vastly complicating things? (or perhaps that is just how I am reading the press release?).


I liked how straight forward the general format of a World RX event was, not too sure on this.
 

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