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21 minutes ago, ianism said:

really like those Clios. hope we get them in DR2.0 at some point, along with the i20

Yeah. Real shame that they seem to have so many issues: really wish that GCK had approached Prodrive with the Clio instead of the Megane!

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Not a bad ARX event. Suprised that Speed won again.

- The Mid-Ohio tracks looks quite a good track.
--- The first turn is a bit .... it causes at least some chaos. The transition to a loose surface is.
--- Overall the transisiton from tarmac to loose looks good. 
--- After that the first turns there is a nice fast flowing section which loosk pretty awesome with split second decisions to take the joker. 
--- Than the big hairpins, unfortunately not really possible to take more lines, but a mistake costs a lot of time.
--- Than the fast gravel section with a tricky braking point. and after that a long straight again.

Unfortunately not an increase of entries. 
- Actually this ARX event had the lowest entry record so far. Last year there were 10, 8, 9, 9 entries at the respective rounds. Now just 7.
- Overall the Impreza, Beetle and Fiesta are on the same level. 
- Bingham and Pecoy made quite a good debut imo, especilly when knowing they were not the top guys in ARX2 last year.
- Sometimes i do miss the GRC events, as there were more entries, but also more cars in the finals and not capped to just 6. 

I will be interested when Solberg will replace Sandell or Atko. Speed just enters the team and is immediately the fastest.

Although there is a base now with entries. I wonder how they will try to gain more entries. 
- Looks like Ken Block might still enter an event or two. His name and number is again on the Loenbro truck in the new colors (but maybe that is just pure markering, "look, we are friends with Ken")
- I think adding ARX3 is a good idea and people can now easier enter on a lower RX level. 

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just a heads up, this weekend is the World Rx championship round in Hell, Norway. today was the first two qualification races and Rx2, tomorrow (Sunday) are the remaining races including the semi-finals and final. 

you can stream all the races LIVE, for FREE, completely 100% legally on the world Rx youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFD78OTzB27H5HD4cjMp2JQ

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1 hour ago, Tranzitive said:

just a heads up, this weekend is the World Rx championship round in Hell, Norway. today was the first two qualification races and Rx2, tomorrow (Sunday) are the remaining races including the semi-finals and final. 

you can stream all the races LIVE, for FREE, completely 100% legally on the world Rx youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFD78OTzB27H5HD4cjMp2JQ

pretty sure everyone here knows already, but thanks for pointing it out just in case

depending on the country, you might not get the semi-finals. these days the qualifiers are live for free, and they upload the final, but you only get highlights of the semis if you're in a country that doesn't have a TV deal with the FIA World RX Championship.

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What an insane weekend. Wah. So mad. This is why I love RX.

So disappointed for Marklund and GCK. Even if the rules are the rules, it's not fair for that team.

Kevin Abbring is the real surprise for me. What a nice drive.

Deception from the RX Cartel. I was waiting for a team strategy during the semi, Doran could have forced to slow cars behind him and secure a place for Bakkerud but no... and spotters were not at the highest level this weekend ! 🤔

By the way, the most fun RX weekend so far from long time. My little son was sleeping on my chest during the semis and the Final. You could easily imagine his lack of rest during this time :classic_biggrin:

 

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On 6/17/2019 at 11:44 AM, JamesMcAdam said:

Deception from the RX Cartel. I was waiting for a team strategy during the semi, Doran could have forced to slow cars behind him and secure a place for Bakkerud but no... and spotters were not at the highest level this weekend ! 🤔

 

I actually think he was doing just that, seemed to be parking it on the apex to hold the others up, but maybe that's just me. 🙂 Bakkerud was struggling all weekend, the car setup was looked really bad. Understeer everywhere, shame.

Despite the DSQ for Marklund, it was still a great weekend of racing, looking forward to Holjes! Some great wildcard entries coming.

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On 6/10/2019 at 9:55 AM, JorritVD said:

Not a bad ARX event. Suprised that Speed won again.

Yeah, there are obviously a lot of factors at play, but it does make you question the situation at Subaru the last few years: has that car been closer to race winning pace than many thought and was it just the driver(s) holding it back? 

On 6/14/2019 at 3:48 PM, JorritVD said:

Asked on the Loenbro IG page if Block will return in ARX this year. It seems he will be and it seems in a Fiesta. 🙂

As much as the Focus seemed to be a fan favourite it still, despite a lot of effort, seems to be inferior to the Fiesta. I hope Block (and Arpin) manage to secure some decent results this year. They really need Block out there to push the numbers up as well.  

On 6/17/2019 at 11:44 AM, JamesMcAdam said:

What an insane weekend. Wah. So mad. This is why I love RX.

So disappointed for Marklund and GCK. Even if the rules are the rules, it's not fair for that team.

Kevin Abbring is the real surprise for me. What a nice drive.

Deception from the RX Cartel. I was waiting for a team strategy during the semi, Doran could have forced to slow cars behind him and secure a place for Bakkerud but no... and spotters were not at the highest level this weekend ! 🤔

Agreed with regards to Abbring, first time I think we have seen the true potential of that Fabia (and that must be reassuring for the team to see given how much money ES Motorsport have thrown at that car). 

I am not a Marklund fan, so I must admit I wasn't that sad to see him get disqualified. Bit of a blunder from the team there, I was debating the possible technical positives (or negatives) of their error after reading about it. 

I thought the penalty for Kevin Hansen was a bit strong, but then I thought the same when they penalised Gronholm in Abu Dhabi, so they are 1:1 now. Such a shame that Gronholm has missed two rounds as, even with multiple wins, it's going to be very difficult for him to close in on the leaders. 

Massively disappointed for Liam. I know he isn't everyone's favourite, but his drive in the semi and final was superb, such a shame the car let him down. 

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Abbring was put really much as the "Rally man", but has quite a background in RX with his family and on his own. Ofcourse no recent experience or in Supercars. Next to that he has done some cup/gt racing and he is an instructor at GP Elite. So he has some racecraft. Don't know really whaty happened in the final, same as in the semi-final he lost time in the last time. This could be due to overheating tyres and tyre pressures or something. Will be interesting to see how he will be performing at Holjes. 

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1 hour ago, JorritVD said:

Abbring was put really much as the "Rally man", but has quite a background in RX with his family and on his own.  

Yeah, Abbring did a lot of test miles in the ES Motorsport Fabia, so he knows that car better than most. Although he has no competition experience I'd say he's a lot more experienced with car setup than Rokas was in the Fabia. 

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yeah, it was a great weekend!

don't forget Doran was very lucky to have gotten into the semis in the first place... though he's one of my favourite drivers so I was quite disappointed to see him go out the way he did.

thought the penalty on Kevin was fair. he really did block Gronholm quite badly, and ultimately it was only a 1 second penalty.

to completely disqualify Marklund kinda sucks though, because he compiled quite a few championship points over the weekend, which are now all gone. he was brilliant in the final. I'm not really a fan of his either, but I feel like it would've been enough to relegate him to last in that race and that's it, but I'm not the one who makes the rules now, am I?

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Anyone know what the bumper mounting infraction was? I have to assume it was safety based for how seriously they took it, it certainly wasn't a performance thing which might otherwise explain them wiping out his points haul for the weekend.

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On 6/22/2019 at 7:01 PM, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Anyone know what the bumper mounting infraction was? I have to assume it was safety based for how seriously they took it, it certainly wasn't a performance thing which might otherwise explain them wiping out his points haul for the weekend.

It was thickness of material, rather than mounting. The regulations say that the maximum material thickness is 1.5mm, the GCK bumper was made from material that was 1.96mm.

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all evening I rewatched the Q1, Q2 and Q3 (Euro RX) shows. Pff, plenty of action and crazyness happened so far. In World RX its crazy in the standings due to the changed conditions in Q2.

Bakkerud seems to have a small advantage due to be almost the only driver with two good runs (well, did a good job with damage limitations in Q2). But between positions 2 and 20 there is just 10 between it. Even Doran with his dreadfull day still only 11 points behind number 12. 

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De Ridder, Gehrman and Bennett had all day problems, but with their talents and/or cars i don't expect to see them able to fight back to the top 12 with this grid. 

Also with seeing the updated OMSE MK8 Fiesta going quite well, I think Bennett would do himself a favor and go with that the OMSE MK8 Fiesta next season in World RX or maybe even switch this year to the MK8 Fiesta already and maybe get a good deal with OMSE with also being part of testing. The MINI looks awesome, but it is just to unreliable. In the livestream they said OMSE will try to get the price of the Fiesta MK8 on 350.000 euro. Still a lot of money, but a factory car costs 500-600k, which are not being produced, nor being sold.  

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It was a great weekend, with a bit of a surprise winner, but deserved. Special thumbs up for Reinis Nitiis for a great comeback after his roll in heat 1.

And offcourse a great effort from my fellow countryman Kevin Abbring with that low budget car. Low budget compared to other teams in the final that is.

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What another great weekend. 

I have been watching every round in english with Andrew Coley's commentaries for 3 rounds now. What a big difference of intensity compared to the French ones.

It's so enjoyable and again this weekend, the spectacle was here.

Such a disaster for Bakkerud. Happy to see that Eriksson won in front of the Hansen's cartel (which really begins to annoy me).

This is this little issue in the Q2 that has been advanced. Bakkerud raced under rain. Hansens under dry condition. Weird, I may be paranoïac but it's something weird.

Funny to see the final podium with Eriksson without any sponsor in a unshaped suit ! :classic_biggrin:

Look forward to the next round.

 

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Haha, it was a chaos weekend. But good racing. Still need to see the semis. Bakkerud was overall the best driver, but the Audi's seems to be sometimes a bit unreliable this season. Could ofcouse be due the limited budget they run with. Awesome to see Sebastian Eriksson win the event. OMSE really improved that car (every time they mentioned that 19 of the 21 points of the cars are fixed 😛). F.e. the cooling of the car went in the back again (in comparising to last year spec car, which is also in DR2.0, and has the cooling like the Polo in the front). Hopefully with some good backing we see them full time back next season, or maybe in ARX to promote their car 🙂.

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55 minutes ago, JorritVD said:

Haha, it was a chaos weekend. But good racing. Still need to see the semis. Bakkerud was overall the best driver, but the Audi's seems to be sometimes a bit unreliable this season. Could ofcouse be due the limited budget they run with. Awesome to see Sebastian Eriksson win the event. OMSE really improved that car (every time they mentioned that 19 of the 21 points of the cars are fixed 😛). F.e. the cooling of the car went in the back again (in comparising to last year spec car, which is also in DR2.0, and has the cooling like the Polo in the front). Hopefully with some good backing we see them full time back next season, or maybe in ARX to promote their car 🙂.

Yeah, with OMSE it's really a case of finding customers for their cars, that's what they're focusing on now. Hopefully the slightly cheaper (and fast) Fiesta brings more competitors in.

It's looking like the Hansen team will take both titles at this rate, Hyundai look faster on certain tracks but Timmy can make the lap times happen when he needs them. Bakkerud, although still high up in the standings is just not able to pull it together, and a lot of the development on the cars seems to cause them major issues.

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43 minutes ago, mats27 said:

Yeah, with OMSE it's really a case of finding customers for their cars, that's what they're focusing on now. Hopefully the slightly cheaper (and fast) Fiesta brings more competitors in.

It's looking like the Hansen team will take both titles at this rate, Hyundai look faster on certain tracks but Timmy can make the lap times happen when he needs them. Bakkerud, although still high up in the standings is just not able to pull it together, and a lot of the development on the cars seems to cause them major issues.

If a Hansen is gonna win I hope it'll be Kevin, really grown to dislike Timmy over the years

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Great weekend of racing and, once again, some different names on the podium which is exactly what was hoped for this season. 

Can't but help but think OMSE got their timing wrong returning to World RX: they really struggled last year but, despite some issues (and arguably home soil advantage) they were right in the mix in Holjes. Looks like they have reverted back to a conventional layout for the cars (with the cooling in the rear again)? I wonder how different the 2019 cars are to those used last year. 

Without meaning to sound like a social media conspiracy theorist, I did question some of the stewards decisions (or rather lack of decisions) in Sweden.  Timmy Hansen clearly pushed to pass in the semi-final, but nothing was said. Yet far lighter contact has been punished elsewhere? I am not keen on the lack of consistency. 

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15 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Can't but help but think OMSE got their timing wrong returning to World RX: they really struggled last year but, despite some issues (and arguably home soil advantage) they were right in the mix in Holjes. Looks like they have reverted back to a conventional layout for the cars (with the cooling in the rear again)? I wonder how different the 2019 cars are to those used last year. 

Apparently they changed '19' things, whatever those are. 😂 The rads are in the back of the car now, they've cut a big hole in the rear (same as the Megane this year). The car struggled last year, although they did have to contend with the 3 factory teams, nobody could really get close to them.

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The OMSE Fiesta indeed went back to the to the cooling in the back. Only the ES Fabia and the Munnich Ibiza have the cooling in the front this season.

I think there might be more reasons for this, (1) balance, (2) better cooling, (3) cooling in the front is complex, (4) more expensive, (5) and to sell cars, because in RallyX Nordic they not allow supercars with cooling in the front.

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2 hours ago, JorritVD said:

I think there might be more reasons for this, (1) balance, (2) better cooling, (3) cooling in the front is complex, (4) more expensive, (5) and to sell cars, because in RallyX Nordic they not allow supercars with cooling in the front.

Cooling in the front is less complex: it's more akin a traditional engine setup and far less plumbing is required. Efficiency is a potential concern, but then there are potential efficiency pitfalls with a rear mounted cooling setup as well. Interestingly VW Motorsport hadn't ruled out switching to a rear mounted radiator setup when they first introduced the Polo, as they were concerned that the engine might struggle in higher ambient temperatures, but that never became an issue. 

Moving the radiators to the rear does improve weight distribution and moves that element out of harms way. 

I always thought that RallyX Nordic regulation stipulation was an interesting move. Given when it was introduced I wondered if it was done to prevent someone from buying a VW Motorsport Polo and dominating the Championship! (Not that VW Motorsport are very likely to sell a car on though)

3 hours ago, mats27 said:

(same as the Megane this year). 

I am still not entirely sure what Prodrive did there (my theory is that they were using vented radiator air/the rear of the car to act like a blown diffuser), but the regulations were changed very quickly after the Megane made it's debut: now air has to exit via the boot. 

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2 hours ago, tbtstt said:

I am still not entirely sure what Prodrive did there (my theory is that they were using vented radiator air/the rear of the car to act like a blown diffuser), but the regulations were changed very quickly after the Megane made it's debut: now air has to exit via the boot. 

I think you're right about the Megane actually, that car's really interesting. This year it's not being supported by Prodrive as far as I know?

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3 hours ago, mats27 said:

I think you're right about the Megane actually, that car's really interesting. This year it's not being supported by Prodrive as far as I know?

If I heard well, the Megane Baciuska was driving is still in last years Prodrive spec (and therefore maybe also faster 😛). I think the cars are now run by G-Fors? The same who build the Clio's? But i have no idea about this situation.

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ya Prodrive is not involved anymore.

the livery on Baciuska's car is grrrreat by the way

would like to see the Clio in DR2 at some point actually, along with the Skoda. and the i20 obviously. 

also, 2019 liveries!

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8 hours ago, ianism said:

ya Prodrive is not involved anymore.

the livery on Baciuska's car is grrrreat by the way

would like to see the Clio in DR2 at some point actually, along with the Skoda. and the i20 obviously. 

also, 2019 liveries!

Dude, you're right. We really need these 2019 liveries and cars. I'm ready to pay a lot for them. :classic_biggrin:

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19 hours ago, mats27 said:

I think you're right about the Megane actually, that car's really interesting. This year it's not being supported by Prodrive as far as I know?

Yeah, as @ianism said, Prodrive aren't involved this year. I have heard a couple of stories as to why, but I think funding is the most likely reason. 

16 hours ago, JorritVD said:

If I heard well, the Megane Baciuska was driving is still in last years Prodrive spec (and therefore maybe also faster 😛). I think the cars are now run by G-Fors? The same who build the Clio's? But i have no idea about this situation.

That would figure, as the Baciuska Megane has the old Prodrive steering wheel on it. Yeah, Fors Performance are running the cars now. To be fair the Meganes have been going pretty well this year. The Clios are bloody awful though, I feel sorry for De Ridder and Raymond: two talented drivers being wasted in two unreliable cars.

I see ES Motorsport are without a driver for Canada as Abbring is driving elsewhere. I wonder who they will get? 

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58 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Yeah, as @ianism said, Prodrive aren't involved this year. I have heard a couple of stories as to why, but I think funding is the most likely reason. 

That would figure, as the Baciuska Megane has the old Prodrive steering wheel on it. Yeah, Fors Performance are running the cars now. To be fair the Meganes have been going pretty well this year. The Clios are bloody awful though, I feel sorry for De Ridder and Raymond: two talented drivers being wasted in two unreliable cars.

I see ES Motorsport are without a driver for Canada as Abbring is driving elsewhere. I wonder who they will get? 

Would be cool if they got one of the ex-GRC guys in the car.

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11 hours ago, ianism said:

ya Prodrive is not involved anymore.

the livery on Baciuska's car is grrrreat by the way

would like to see the Clio in DR2 at some point actually, along with the Skoda. and the i20 obviously. 

also, 2019 liveries!

I wouldn't be suprised that in a possible season 3 and 4 a 2019 WRX DLC will come out.

F.e. in season 3
- Mini and i20 as cars (including their 2018 liveries)
- CotA and SA RX tracks

F.e. in season 4
- Skoda, SEAT and Clio as cars
- 2019 WRX livery pack
- Abu Dhabi and Spa RX tracks

Also still hoping for ARX cars, which maybe could be part of the seasons as well. 

And also hoping (again 😛) for the "older" Supercars, like the DS3, Polo, Focus, ...

2 hours ago, tbtstt said:

I see ES Motorsport are without a driver for Canada as Abbring is driving elsewhere. I wonder who they will get? 

Deegan, Piquet, deJong, Ward, ...

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7 minutes ago, JorritVD said:

I wouldn't be suprised that in a possible season 3 and 4 a 2019 WRX DLC will come out.

F.e. in season 3
- Mini and i20 as cars (including their 2018 liveries)
- CotA and SA RX tracks

F.e. in season 4
- Skoda, SEAT and Clio as cars
- 2019 WRX livery pack
- Abu Dhabi and Spa RX tracks

same, but just one RX track per season, I bet. they're releasing two cars with each location, so if it's 2 RX cars, we'll get one RX track.

also, if 2/3 of the season 3 and 4 content is RX the user base for this game will go ******* nuts, and probably rightly so.

ultimately, if worst comes to worst people can still put 2019 liveries on racedepartment. someone has already done the RX Cartel ones.

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3 hours ago, tbtstt said:

 To be fair the Meganes have been going pretty well this year.

the 6 fastest cars (the Hansens are running the early 2018 208s, which are slower, and their team is like 1/5th of what it was) and 3 of the fastest drivers aren't here. that'll help.

for me the most impressive has been Gronhölm.

hopefully OMSE sticks around for the rest of the championship. they're great!

[ps, sorry for the double post, I'm on my phone and can't edit an old post by adding a quote to it]

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50 minutes ago, ianism said:

the 6 fastest cars (the Hansens are running the early 2018 208s, which are slower, and their team is like 1/5th of what it was) and 3 of the fastest drivers aren't here. that'll help.

for me the most impressive has been Gronhölm.

hopefully OMSE sticks around for the rest of the championship. they're great!

[ps, sorry for the double post, I'm on my phone and can't edit an old post by adding a quote to it]

Disagree about the earlier 208's being slower: I thought the earlier 208's looked more competitive than the evolution that followed. Timmy came close to success a couple of times in the first half of the season, but seemed more distant in the second half (at least to me anyway)

That is true with regards to the level of competition, though consider that the Megane is closer to the pace of many of the same cars it was fighting against last year (i.e. the Hansen 208's, EKS S1's and GRX i20's). 

I am gutted that Gronholm had to miss two rounds, as I was really hoping that he could take the title this year. I know it is still possible now, but as long as the Hansen duo keep posting consistent results one of them is surely going to win. 

1 hour ago, JorritVD said:

Also still hoping for ARX cars, which maybe could be part of the seasons as well. 

Well we already have one, so I hope more will follow... but it's the DS3 I desperately want! 

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1 hour ago, ianism said:

same, but just one RX track per season, I bet. they're releasing two cars with each location, so if it's 2 RX cars, we'll get one RX track.

also, if 2/3 of the season 3 and 4 content is RX the user base for this game will go ******* nuts, and probably rightly so.

ultimately, if worst comes to worst people can still put 2019 liveries on racedepartment. someone has already done the RX Cartel ones.

If your 1 track per season theory is correct I just hope that we get COTA and South Africa in season 3/4, wouldn't be able to stand if they left the 2018 season unfinished tracks wise

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49 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Disagree about the earlier 208's being slower: I thought the earlier 208's looked more competitive than the evolution that followed. Timmy came close to success a couple of times in the first half of the season, but seemed more distant in the second half (at least to me anyway)

Rumour was that Timmy much preferred the first evolution of the car, and struggled with the second. I think the biggest change I've seen for the Hansen team is the fact the two brothers were building the garage at events themselves. :classic_tongue:

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1 hour ago, ianism said:

same, but just one RX track per season, I bet. they're releasing two cars with each location, so if it's 2 RX cars, we'll get one RX track.

also, if 2/3 of the season 3 and 4 content is RX the user base for this game will go ******* nuts, and probably rightly so.

ultimately, if worst comes to worst people can still put 2019 liveries on racedepartment. someone has already done the RX Cartel ones.

According to those steam files 6 more locations will possible come in a possible season 3 and 4. 
My theory is that the two remaining Rally locations from DR1 will come, so Finland and Greece.
Than fits in perfectly for four more RX tracks, so the remaining 2018 tracks in season 3, and the two new 2019 tracks in season 4.

Maybe the Rally die-hard fans will go nuts indeed, but its quite logical that these 6 tracks it will be (also known than three of the four tracks are basically already in the F1 games).

It could also be that they might go to a smaller seasons. So seasons 3 has one rally and one rx location. and the same for season 4.
Than a seperate non season DLC for the 2019 WRX season. Maybe the die hard rally fans will than go less nuts?

Yeah, liveries on RD are only for non DLC cars and only for Steam. As a console user it is kinda useless.

59 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Well we already have one, so I hope more will follow... but it's the DS3 I desperately want! 

Yes, i think the DS3 is a populair car (as is the Focus) and it is still being sold as a road car and the DS3 RX car is also still widely used. Also have some footage of it on my YouTube.

 

1 hour ago, MattyH1812 said:

If your 1 track per season theory is correct I just hope that we get COTA and South Africa in season 3/4, wouldn't be able to stand if they left the 2018 season unfinished tracks wise

Yeah, agree. Although the Spa track seems to much cooler than those two.

 

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48 minutes ago, JorritVD said:

 

 

I have some shots of those cars in action as well...

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...watching Solberg consistently smoke his tyres on the last corner at Loheac is one of the reasons I love the DS3 so much!

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Whilst Incan see the point being made to include COTA to "complete" the season.  I 110% disagree about even starting to include it.

It's a horrendous track that was an instant fail the moment they started trying to race on it.

I'd much rather they didn't do anything re that atrocity but if they wanted to add another track, my vote is for the shock success that was this year's Spa RX.

It's a million times more interesting visually, technically and should be fun to drive than the boring plains of cota.

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22 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Whilst Incan see the point being made to include COTA to "complete" the season.  I 110% disagree about even starting to include it.

It's a horrendous track that was an instant fail the moment they started trying to race on it.

I am seriously torn on CotA: one half of me wants to see them to complete the whole 2018 season, but the other half doesn't care because the track was rubbish! 

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Hmm, Maybe the CotA track not looks that well, but it’s pretty technical and fast which makes it a challenge. Overtaking is pretty difficult and starting on the outside is a big advantage. I think it might be surprise you positive well if it’s the game. 

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1 hour ago, JorritVD said:

Hmm, Maybe the CotA track not looks that well, but it’s pretty technical and fast which makes it a challenge. Overtaking is pretty difficult and starting on the outside is a big advantage. I think it might be surprise you positive well if it’s the game. 

Yeah, Silverstone is definitely more fun to drive then it is to watch, so perhaps CotA might be the same.

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