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Interesting what i found out about the cooling exits at the back of the Megane R.S. RX. I can't remember that i heard that the Meganes had issues with cooling or something, but interesting how it has been changes in 3 very differents specs last year.

For the first five round, the Megane's were running with a closed bonnet and an almost open "Diffiuser" (if i can say it like this)

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At Round 6 - Holjes (Sweden) a change came. The Diffuser became completly open (same as the test car, see at the end of the post) and in the trunk two holes were made. Probably to have a better airstream from the side airintake for the cooling that takes place in the back. Another idea is that they maybe wanted to change the airstreams away from the diffuser, so that it creates less downforce and change the balance of the car.

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Now the interesting part is, for the next round (7) at Canada, they closed the "diffuser", only have cutted away space for the exhaust. This spec they also used for France (round 8).

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In round 9 (Riga) another change came, Now they actually opened up the complete trunk area for better cooling probably and the Renault badge also has been gone now. I can also understand it they did it to get a better inner car flow, to reduce drag (parachute effect). Maybe this also helps the car for better top speed in Canada this weekend as currently this is also the spec the team still uses. So it seems they are happy with this configuration. 

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Btw, the test car at the beginning of 2018 also had a little different lay-out again, but that was a test car, and therefore not was in competition spec

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I also checked other aero parts of the car, but it seems this hasn't been really changed. 

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23 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Interesting what i found out about the cooling exits at the back of the Megane R.S. RX. I can't remember that i heard that the Meganes had issues with cooling or something, but interesting how it has been changes in 3 very differents specs last year.

For the first five round, the Megane's were running with a closed bonnet and an almost open "Diffiuser" (if i can say it like this)

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At Round 6 - Holjes (Sweden) a change came. The Diffuser became completly open (same as the test car, see at the end of the post) and in the trunk two holes were made. Probably to have a better airstream from the side airintake for the cooling that takes place in the back. Another idea is that they maybe wanted to change the airstreams away from the diffuser, so that it creates less downforce and change the balance of the car.

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Now the interesting part is, for the next round (7) at Canada, they closed the "diffuser", only have cutted away space for the exhaust. This spec they also used for France (round 8).

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In round 9 (Riga) another change came, Now they actually opened up the complete trunk area for better cooling probably and the Renault badge also has been gone now. I can also understand it they did it to get a better inner car flow, to reduce drag (parachute effect). Maybe this also helps the car for better top speed in Canada this weekend as currently this is also the spec the team still uses. So it seems they are happy with this configuration. 

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Btw, the test car at the beginning of 2018 also had a little different lay-out again, but that was a test car, and therefore not was in competition spec

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I also checked other aero parts of the car, but it seems this hasn't been really changed. 

The first change was forced on GCK/Prodrive, as the regulations were changed after the Megane was unveiled. 

I don't know for sure, but I think Prodrive were using the air from the radiators for aerodynamic gain. My best guess is that they had the rear setup like a blown diffuser, but I don't know that for certain. 

The regulations now state that air from the rear cooling package must exit the car via the boot and not the boot floor.

There have been numerous changes nade this year as the FORS engineers are attempting to refine the Prodrive design.

Front aero (round the arches if I remember rightly) and the rear wing have also changed slightly. 

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22 minutes ago, MattyH1812 said:

What a weekend!! World RX and ARX were awesome

Both championships are wide open now, bring it!

Yeah. Was hoping that Kevin wouldn't make the final so the Championship would close up even more, but I am still pleased to see the gap has been slashed.

Gutted that Niclas didn't make it through, as that would have pushed him further up the standings as well. 

Long overdue win for Bakkerud. Fantastic drive from Baumanis as well. 

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11 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Yeah. Was hoping that Kevin wouldn't make the final so the Championship would close up even more, but I am still pleased to see the gap has been slashed.

Gutted that Niclas didn't make it through, as that would have pushed him further up the standings as well. 

Long overdue win for Bakkerud. Fantastic drive from Baumanis as well. 

my thoughts exactly. super impressive Niclas is 4th overall now even though he missed.. what, 2 events? 3? enough to put him in 1st or 2nd overall for sure.

just to add: disappointing to see Doran go out like that. something almost always goes wrong for him (though admittedly this time it was kind of his fault).

I'm really glad it's more competitive this year, even though we're missing 4 of the best drivers (5 if you include Block haha). wish OMSE were involved in every event, they were amazing in Holjes!

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13 minutes ago, ianism said:

wish OMSE were involved in every event, they were amazing in Holjes!

Can't help but think they picked the wrong year. They struggled last year and, although they had issues in Sweden, they surely would have been far more competitive this year. 

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2 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Can't help but think they picked the wrong year. They struggled last year and, although they had issues in Sweden, they surely would have been far more competitive this year. 

for sure! I think several of us have thought this independently hahaha

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9 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Can't help but think they picked the wrong year. They struggled last year and, although they had issues in Sweden, they surely would have been far more competitive this year. 

Agree with this, although the car still does have some serious issues

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Btw, anyone knows who will race at NRX this year? Its on 17 August.
it looks like the “complete” ARX will drive + Pastrana + maybe Block.

The WRX cars are now in North America, But with Loheac taking place two weeks later at the end of August, it’s quite a big risk and logistical challenge. The damages that Bakkerud and Hansen had at Abu Dhabi you can't get, otherwise the France round will be a non-starter.

Also there is ERX that weekend at the Estering the same weekend and RallyX Nordic a weekend later in Finland, which might make it more complex in case of extra chassis availability. Though f.e. Ekstrom could still go with an Cometoyou Audi from Enzo Ide like last year he did. Maybe Doran could get his DS3 back out, the Hansens maybe can find another 208 somewhere and maybe OMSE could promote their new Fiesta well.

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15 minutes ago, mats27 said:

Agree with this, although the car still does have some serious issues

Yeah, I know there were still issues in Holjes (and they did perhaps have a slight home advantage), but they seemed a long way from their disappointing 2018 season. 

Looks like they (OMSE) have abandoned the idea of front mounted cooling and reverted to a traditional Supercar design. 

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1 minute ago, JorritVD said:

Btw, anyone knows who will race at NRX this year? Its on 17 August.
it looks like the “complete” ARX will drive + Pastrana + maybe Block.

The WRX cars are now in North America, But with Loheac taking place two weeks later at the end of August, it’s quite a big risk and logistical challenge. The damages that Bakkerud and Hansen had at Abu Dhabi you can't get, otherwise the France round will be a non-starter.

Also there is ERX that weekend at the Estering the same weekend and RallyX Nordic a weekend later in Finland, which might make it more complex in case of extra chassis availability. Though f.e. Ekstrom could still go with an Cometoyou Audi from Enzo Ide like last year he did. Maybe Doran could get his DS3 back out, the Hansens maybe can find another 208 somewhere and maybe OMSE could promote their new Fiesta well.

Yeah, I'm expecting no more than nine cars. I hope that a World driver or two gives it a look but, given the budget that most of the teams are running on this year, I'm not overly optimistic we will see any of them. As you say, Loheac is the priority and the potential for an expensive repair bill is high at Nitro!

I wonder what car Block will compete in. 

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2 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Yeah, I'm expecting no more than nine cars. I hope that a World driver or two gives it a look but, given the budget that most of the teams are running on this year, I'm not overly optimistic we will see any of them. As you say, Loheac is the priority and the potential for an expensive repair bill is high at Nitro!

Last year Hansen en Ekstrom used a different chassis. Also last year I had the feeling Red Bull was mostly paying the bills of those two entries

2 hours ago, tbtstt said:

I wonder what car Block will compete in. 

Yeah, possible Pecoy's car, but actually i expect Pecoy will be racing. But the Loenbro team got a third M-Sport chassis at their workshop. Though a while ago it was not more than a rolling chassis. The two Focus RS were not even rolling chassis. Than there is still the Ghymkhana 10 used Focus RS, which is an option. Although with the suspension issues the Focus had last year, I wonder if that car is at all an option.

 

Also was wondering if maybe Petter Solberg might consider the event with his Polo in his farewell tour.

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What a brilliant weekend. 

We have a french expression saying : « j’ai pris un pied monstre » which means something like - it was f*****g brilliant 😃

So happy for Andreas, he deserves it.

Doran style may be too agressive for that kind of tracks.

Sad for Chicherit (cocoricooo ! 🇫🇷). I have the feeling that there is always something to the GCK team to avoid them from a win.

 

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Fantastic weekend of racing in Canada, also great that it's the one event where everything happens at a decent hour for me!

What did Timur say after his Semifinal win that he apologized for?  I couldn't really make it out.

Looks like I'll be going up there next year for the WRX weekend with media credentials so that will be fantastic.

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45 minutes ago, mwoodski said:

What did Timur say after his Semifinal win that he apologized for?  I couldn't really make it out.

I think he said something like "riding it doggy style" (talking about the way the car was driving), then he apologised! 

2 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Last year Hansen en Ekstrom used a different chassis. Also last year I had the feeling Red Bull was mostly paying the bills of those two entries

Yeah, I agree. Wonder if they might at least provide the funding for Timmy again? Would expect them to use an older car and not the current World cars though. 

2 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Yeah, possible Pecoy's car, but actually i expect Pecoy will be racing. But the Loenbro team got a third M-Sport chassis at their workshop. Though a while ago it was not more than a rolling chassis. The two Focus RS were not even rolling chassis. Than there is still the Ghymkhana 10 used Focus RS, which is an option. Although with the suspension issues the Focus had last year, I wonder if that car is at all an option.

I wondered if Block might use his own Fiesta or if he'll use the second Loenbro car. I'd be very surprised to see the Focus in competition use again. 

2 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Also was wondering if maybe Petter Solberg might consider the event with his Polo in his farewell tour.

Would be awesome if he did as Petter talked about doing X-Games years ago, but couldn't fit it in. I'd say the decision for Nitro would be in the hands of VW. 

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27 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Pretty certain I hear Coley say the focus running gear was in their cars raced in the ARX this weekend.

Yes, a lot of stuff tranfered from the Focus to the Fiesta. It is a Fiesta chassis with the Focus driveline. 

Btw, got an reply on Instagram that Block and Arpin will be racing the Fiesta at NRX. So no Pecoy than 😕 
On the websites of Bigham and Foust there is also mentioned they will attent NRX, but still with the old date from september 2019.
Subaru comes I expect with 4 Impreza. With their regular ARX drivers and Pastrana.
I not expect Oliver Solberg and David Higgins as their focus in on rally and I think that might be a week later already again.

I would also thought this event might be something for Chicherit, but with their third Megane being raced by Baciuska I don't think it is an option. Or G-Fors has a spare Clio available from their French RX programm. Although, in all respect, I don't think those Clio's will be strong/reliable enough for the NRX event. 

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3 minutes ago, JamesMcAdam said:

nice pictures as usual.

I am not fan of the titans car shapes. It lacks some personality IMO. Maybe the Audi A1 shape is a bit better.

I agree. The Audi and Mercedes bodies looked OK, but the rest looked really ungainly. 

I think they would be better if they had just one decent looking body (like the RX Lite) and then had more colorful liveries to tell the drivers apart. 

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2 hours ago, JorritVD said:

The proportions of the TitansRX cars looks very strange. The Merc and Audi shapes look a bit better, also because the nose of the Hyundai seems double long if you see it from the side. 

Yeah, I thought the Audi was the best looking car of the bunch...

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...it looks much better proportioned than the longer cars. 

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1 hour ago, mwoodski said:

The idea behind the Titans cars is solid, but good lord are they hideous.

Ha! Yeah, they are quick and very loud, but not great looking. I don't think the GT style wing helps either. 

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What i think about the entries so far of NRX

VW/Andretti - Foust 
VW/Andretti - Bigham
Ford/Loenbro - Arpin
Ford/Loenbro - Block (confirmed on Loenbro IG page, no Pecoy :/)
Peugeot/Hansen - Kevin (teaser on Kevin's IG page)
Peugeot/Hansen - Timmy (same teaser)
Subaru - Speed
Subaru - Sandell
Subaru - Atko
Subaru - Pastrana

What about others?
- The GRX/Hyundai team have a 3rd i20. Might be a possibility, but i don't think it will happen.
- For the Audi's it seems a no go, or they will use their WRX cars. The only available chassis is the one from Enzo Ide. 
- OMSE might be an possibility, always has some Red Bull support. Two of the Civics need to race in RallyX Nordic the that weekend after. I think they still have a third chassis. Than ofcourse they have the MK8 Fiestas and the circuit might a perfect testing ground. 
- STARD could maybe go with one of their MK7 Fiesta. But i think will not happen.
- Xite Racing could send their MK7 Fiesta as well.

 

EDIT, actually the Hansens are confirmed:

 

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Nitiss will be at the Riga event. 

http://reinisnitiss.com/en/jaunumi/reinis-nitiss-compete-home-round-world-rx/http://reinisnitiss.com/en/jaunumi/reinis-nitiss-compete-home-round-world-rx/

It seems interesting that Nitiss is really tight on budget this season, or maybe not want to stretch his budget. Also his main sponsors from last year aren't on the car. I wonder what the budget difference is in a round of the WRX and ERX and he rather could have done a full season RallyX Nordic or ERX instead, also because you not would have the most expensive/recent car. But on the other side, WRX has more viewers/followers/promotion and that might be the main point of having the sponsors.

Also interesting "especially when this could be the final year, we see World RX here in Biķernieki!"

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32 minutes ago, JamesMcAdam said:

Hum, I would be interested to see what are the budget restrictions and conditions in WRX.

I have no precise idea of the gap between a team like the Bennet’s one and the Hansen squad. 🧐

To rent 2 ex-factory Supercars maybe 1 mil per year? I believe the going rate is about 50k a round for most teams not including damage.

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Yeah, not really could find anything about WRX, although overall in motorsport it seems they are quite tight lipped in terms of budgets it seems, and it also is different for each team / car / quality / reputation. 

David Perel has an nice arctile:
https://davidperel.net/become-a-racing-driver/ 

€150,000+ for a season in a GT4 Championship
€300,000+ for a season in a GT3 Championship
€500,000+ for Le Mans
€1,000,000+ for WEC
Add 20% to those numbers for LMP2
Double those numbers for Single Seaters

This is something I recognize from a few years ago, where you could do the Blancpain Endurance also for about 100.000 euro an season, but also depends on team mates and it was an older car already (V12 Vantage GT3) from an non top team. But also the WEC numbers are recognizable, i remember a few years ago it was about 2,5 million euro for a season of Fia WEC for a GTE Am car at a top team. So if you devide that through 2 it might be 1+ million (the third drivers is ussually a pro which gets paid). 

From what I remember LMP1 factory teams were more like F1 budgets and were 100+ million. Although I think Toyota now can run on an much lower budget as there are no other factory teams. 

The same goed for factory WRC teams:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/features/world-rally-championship-keeping-show-road/
£60 million - Hyundai (2018)
£30 million - Ford (2018)

For Rallycross it can also be very diverse. I wouldn't be suprised that the budget of a Peugeot last season might went towards 10 million euro or more (3 cars, developments, testing, marketing, ...), while you might already be competing (competive might more depend on talent) in ERX Supercars for a few of hundred of thousands of euro. Where you can have a second hand Audi S1 of EKS for about 500k(?), but an Marklund Polo costs around 200.000 (190k - 300k), MJP Fiesta for 200.000, OMSE Fiesta from 150.000, DS3 for 100.000 and maybe even some older or non-ERX allowed (due to homologation or due to not fit the FIA regs) supercars for around 50k. 

@mats27 i think you might be correct with those number of a million a car (EKS / Hansen). 

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Good to see Topi back in the racing seat. Actually not that suprising to see Topi in the i20 of GRX.

The GRX team is technically run by the SET Promotion guys. In 2018 they also run the Fiesta of Nitiss in the ERX.

But Wiman, Nitiss and Heikkinen all work(ed) for the WRX, ERX, RX2, RX Acedamy teams of SET as spotter, or programm/team manager, or driver coach, etc. So after Nitiss and Wiman I am not that suprised that he now will be in the third i20.

It is a shame that so many talent is available, but can't race full time in WRX:

  • Heikkinen (although do TitansRX),
  • Wiman (just one round and one round as replacement of Gronholm),
  • Nitiss (just three rounds and some latvian rally events), 
  • Kalliokoski (although he do full time Nordic and some standalone events,
  • The Erikksons (wonder if they will maybe do NRX or some WRX rounds to promote/test the MK8 Fiesta more)
  • Abbring (just parttime)
  • Larsson (although he do full seasons of ERX and Nordic)
  • Also like to see Evjen, Bryntesson, Tidemand and those super 1600 / RX2 talents. 
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1 hour ago, JorritVD said:

Good to see Topi back in the racing seat. Actually not that suprising to see Topi in the i20 of GRX.

The GRX team is technically run by the SET Promotion guys. In 2018 they also run the Fiesta of Nitiss in the ERX.

But Wiman, Nitiss and Heikkinen all work(ed) for the WRX, ERX, RX2, RX Acedamy teams of SET as spotter, or programm/team manager, or driver coach, etc. So after Nitiss and Wiman I am not that suprised that he now will be in the third i20.

It is a shame that so many talent is available, but can't race full time in WRX:

  • Heikkinen (although do TitansRX),
  • Wiman (just one round and one round as replacement of Gronholm),
  • Nitiss (just three rounds and some latvian rally events), 
  • Kalliokoski (although he do full time Nordic and some standalone events,
  • The Erikksons (wonder if they will maybe do NRX or some WRX rounds to promote/test the MK8 Fiesta more)
  • Abbring (just parttime)
  • Larsson (although he do full seasons of ERX and Nordic)
  • Also like to see Evjen, Bryntesson, Tidemand and those super 1600 / RX2 talents. 

Put Abbring into that Skoda full time.

 

Also wanna see Bennett build a second MINI and put someone like Larsson into it to see what that thing can really do.

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2 hours ago, mwoodski said:

Also wanna see Bennett build a second MINI and put someone like Larsson into it to see what that thing can really do.

Oliver Solberg did some laps in that MINI last year: would love to see how his lap times compared to Bennett... 

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https://dominikwilde.com/10-car-field-confirmed-for-nitro-rallycross/

Bigham just got on the entry list. So it is the ARX field, with Block taking Pecoy's Fiesta, Pastrana and the Hansen brothers (as the only WRX entries)

Nitro Rallycross entry list
00    Steve Arpin    Ford Fiesta ST (Mk. 7)
2    Cabot Bigham    Volkswagen Beetle
18    Patrik Sandell    Subaru WRX STI
21    Timmy Hansen    Peugeot 208
34    Tanner Foust    Volkswagen Beetle
41    Scott Speed    Subaru WRX STI
43    Ken Block    Ford Fiesta ST (Mk.7)
55    Chris Atkinson    Subaru WRX STI
71    Kevin Hansen    Peugeot 208
199    Travis Pastrana    Subaru WRX STI
 

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1 hour ago, JorritVD said:

https://dominikwilde.com/10-car-field-confirmed-for-nitro-rallycross/

Bigham just got on the entry list. So it is the ARX field, with Block taking Pecoy's Fiesta, Pastrana and the Hansen brothers (as the only WRX entries)

Nitro Rallycross entry list
00    Steve Arpin    Ford Fiesta ST (Mk. 7)
2    Cabot Bigham    Volkswagen Beetle
18    Patrik Sandell    Subaru WRX STI
21    Timmy Hansen    Peugeot 208
34    Tanner Foust    Volkswagen Beetle
41    Scott Speed    Subaru WRX STI
43    Ken Block    Ford Fiesta ST (Mk.7)
55    Chris Atkinson    Subaru WRX STI
71    Kevin Hansen    Peugeot 208
199    Travis Pastrana    Subaru WRX STI
 

never heard of this event before. holy hell that jump is big

edit: could this be one of the future locations? I'd love to drive it.

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I don't think this location will ever come to DiRT as long its the official WRX game. 
Why?
- It is not an IMG event (IMG organises the WRX, ERX and ARX)
- It is a Red Bull sponsored event. Monster poweres WRX
- They race on Yokohama tyres, while in WRX they use Cooper tyres
- The FIA would never allow such a jump (or gap jumps at all) in their events. 

 

Though I thinked the banked corners of the NRX track has inspired already the SPA RX track. 🙂

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5 hours ago, JorritVD said:

I don't think this location will ever come to DiRT as long its the official WRX game. 
Why?
- It is not an IMG event (IMG organises the WRX, ERX and ARX)
- It is a Red Bull sponsored event. Monster poweres WRX
- They race on Yokohama tyres, while in WRX they use Cooper tyres
- The FIA would never allow such a jump (or gap jumps at all) in their events. 

 

Though I thinked the banked corners of the NRX track has inspired already the SPA RX track. 🙂

Those over-the-top jumps led to some serious injured drivers. It was the end of his career for Marcus Gronholm. Can't understand they keep on doing stupid...

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5 minutes ago, Janneman60 said:

Those over-the-top jumps led to some serious injured drivers. It was the end of his career for Marcus Gronholm. Can't understand they keep on doing stupid...

It's literally the only event that has it, and it's big enough and short enough of a gap to be safe.

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23 minutes ago, mwoodski said:

It's literally the only event that has it, and it's big enough and short enough of a gap to be safe.

A gap can not be safe. It is just a gap waiting for the next freaking incident. Have seen a lot accidents on places that looked safe. Just remember Jules Bianchi (formule 1) how freaking incidents happen out of the blue...

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Sometimes this online RX events are so intense. In the semi-final I got spun around in the first lap and after that I was in the position i would not make the final. After I still made a few mistakes but than I drove my hearth out to catch the guy who spun me out to take third. In the end I would have made it anyway as they guy who finished first got a penalty.

The final unfortunately was chaos. As someone was spun in the fast right hander in after went downhill. I already started my turn, so I couldn't avoid him and my car was completly crashed :classic_mellow: At least its fun online as long when people are fair. 

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6 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Sometimes this online RX events are so intense. In the semi-final I got spun around in the first lap and after that I was in the position i would not make the final. After I still made a few mistakes but than I drove my hearth out to catch the guy who spun me out to take third. In the end I would have made it anyway as they guy who finished first got a penalty.

The final unfortunately was chaos. As someone was spun in the fast right hander in after went downhill. I already started my turn, so I couldn't avoid him and my car was completly crashed :classic_mellow: At least its fun online as long when people are fair. 

Great battle. Most of the time, I have unfair guys in the race. Not always fun. But when I have fair guys, what a pleasure to play rX online 🥰

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