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I really don't like PC2. Almost impossible to drive a bit normal with a controller. Maybe I should try it again with some changes on set-up and controller settings, but i not have my hopes high. I try played it for a time.. But I think it stayed on 2 hours or something. 

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1 hour ago, mwoodski said:

I guess I'm the weirdo who never really cared for the Brands RX layout. :classic_laugh:

Show yourself out of the thread @mwoodski! 

59 minutes ago, JorritVD said:

I really don't like PC2. Almost impossible to drive a bit normal with a controller. 

This is exactly what put me off as I read quite a few comments from controller players. 

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1 hour ago, tbtstt said:

Does the title of that game involve the word "Project" by any chance?...

...I nearly picked that up because of the rallycross content, but heard some very mixed reviews about the game. 

Thats the one !

Haven't played it in a long time, in my humble opinion a hardcore sim style never really clicked on the gravel 

I'm not one for spending hours going through endless setup settings 

But the thrill of flat out along the knife edge ! Oh its got a joker lap also

As a rallycross fan that alone made me buy pc2 

 

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Bwoaahhh, What a track!!!! So short, but maybe the most challenging so far of all. The braking downhill I still trying to find the correct braking point. After the technical part uphil starts and need to nail it quite well. I am happy I have seen the WRX in real there last year. It actually helps with the uphill section, although I might go a bit to much sideways in the left hander before the right hander. (the track is only missing a jump 😛)

 

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@PJTierney You know if the team is busy with some RX features?

Also I have noted it here:
https://forums.codemasters.com/topic/35255-jorritvd’s-suggestions-for-dirt-rally-20/

Return of RX race structures from DR1/D4
- "Final only" with 6 cars in position (so not the current one with 5 cars next to each other in qualifying heats) (This was in DR1 and D4)
- "Finals". So only with Semi-Finals and Final. So no qualifying heats (This was in DR1 and D4)
- Maybe some new ones:
--- Short event: with one quali round, semi final and a final.
--- Full event, but without the consolidation finals

Alternative track lay-outs
- Returning from D4: Hell, Holjes, Lydden Hill, Loheac, Montelegre
- Maybe also for the new tracks if realistic. Think Estering, Silverstone and GP3R ain't possible. 

Night weather option
- F.e. F1 games has it for Monaco and other tracks as far as i know.
- DiRT 3 had it for Monaco RX.
It would be cool to race in the night with Rallycross with all the lighteffect (flames from the exhaust, dust, hot brakes, brake lights. Ok, they not have headlights. But therefore there could be track lights ofcourse. 

 

I think the night option would be my favorite option 😄 

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Making Consolidation Finals optional instead of always on in custom events is a MAJOR gripe of mine, and yes I am still gonna mention it every patch and at every opportunity :P

I have a pretty long RX wishlist but they're mostly bug fixes atm 😞 

 

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12 hours ago, mwoodski said:

Night option will be good.

Only gripe I have with Estering is that the AI are pretty slow, and during my semi-final the cars were arranged 5 across with the inside most car having another one shoved up it's backside.

Yeah the semi grid bug can catch you out, the first time it happened to me it nearly ruined a custom championship

I was left a steaming pile of scrap on the start line only seems to be a grop B problem for me 

Work around, befor race starts go back to main menu go back into event the grid should be staggered 

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, mwoodski said:

It's too awkward and there's no flow!

Haven't you left yet? 😄 I appreciate that nostalgia is a strong factor with regards to the Brands layout. Does Project Cars use the original layout, or the later configuration? 

12 hours ago, mwoodski said:

Only gripe I have with Estering is that the AI are pretty slow, and during my semi-final the cars were arranged 5 across with the inside most car having another one shoved up it's backside.

The AI does seem to be a bit glitchy (and slow) in places, but I am still having a blast with Estering. Only a short lap, but a couple of corners that are really easy to mess up. 

13 hours ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Night option possible in the new Abu Dhabi track?

I wondered if there is going to be a night option in game. I hope so, as that circuit needs something to make it interesting. 

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36 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Haven't you left yet? 😄 I appreciate that nostalgia is a strong factor with regards to the Brands layout. Does Project Cars use the original layout, or the later configuration? 

The AI does seem to be a bit glitchy (and slow) in places, but I am still having a blast with Estering. Only a short lap, but a couple of corners that are really easy to mess up. 

I wondered if there is going to be a night option in game. I hope so, as that circuit needs something to make it interesting. 

Yeah classic layout but with 2 devils elbows, one the joker !

They also had a ice rallycross track !

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Here in the Netherlands the RX also not really well, the Eurocircuit Valkenswaard has problems with permits and almost can't be open for RX events. 

I'm trying to push the TT-Circuit Assen, which is near me home, to build and RX lay-out in their track. 
It is close to Germany and if the Eurocircuit has hopefully its permits correct again, it could be quite a boost for the RX community in the Netherlands.

My idea for the track at Assen
- Calculated, the track is a few hundred meters to short. But with extending the gravel sections this can be solved
- The last corner is an hairpin. If this section could be make longer, than an extra jump can be added
- My idea is to have a fast first turn, it will make it very excited with the starts and to make big drifts
- The tighter corners are in gravel, so it makes more sense to send it than keeping it tight.
- There is a jump section, as I said, if the track is a bit longer, a 3rd jump can be made. You could see it as a kinda "finland" section with multiple (not to big) jumps after each other. 
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2 minutes ago, Janneman60 said:

Don't really think Assen would be a good place. No historic in rallycross in the north (more oval racing) and to far from Belgium. Probably the motorrace track near Oss would be a better place.

I think you have no idea about the Netherlands. Oval Racing in the north?? Never heard off. There is quite some Autocross over here yes which have oval shaped track, but Oval racing? There is just one Oval track, and that is in Venray and used for the European Nascar series.  

Assen would be perfect to start building an northern RX community in the Netherlands. With that, you get a bigger RX community in the Netherlands. Doesn't matter if the history is here or not. It is to create a bigger RX community and with Assen I think the facilities and money to do it. 

And if the Motorrace track near Oss is also suitable, than make an RX track of that as well.

It seems you rather have the RX community to be dead in the Netherlands than have an RX track on Assen. But it is to create and build, and with more facilities than it also comes more attractive for teams to invest in, teams like Bas Koeten Racing, Ferry Monster Autosport, Johan Kraan, Autocross teams who can also race with their cars on RX tracks. Business cases become more interesting an new opportunities. 

Also to far from Belgium? I see Belgium people go to France and the Estering, which is more far away. 

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I think Assen would be a great place for a WRX event, sure.

And well, I DO have an idea how rx works in Netherlands/Belgium. Competitor since 1985 and spectator since 1973. Still attend every rx event, know the public, know rhe organisers, know the problems. Suggesting other places to take over, or on top of, it is not the right time for that now. It surely not helps the hard working people who want to save the Eurocircuir.

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13 minutes ago, mwoodski said:

So I've got full photography credentials for WRX now, gonna to Canada next year and if funds allow, gonna shoot for Holjes.

Who are you shooting for? I desperately want to get to Holjes (and Hell), but I haven't managed to fit either of them in yet!

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1 minute ago, tbtstt said:

Who are you shooting for? I desperately want to get to Holjes (and Hell), but I haven't managed to fit either of them in yet!

A buddy of mines website here in the states.  He sent me over the confirmation for credentials email yesterday.

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3 minutes ago, mwoodski said:

A buddy of mines website here in the states.  He sent me over the confirmation for credentials email yesterday.

Awesome! Sure you already know, but you have to apply for individual event accreditation through the FiA website: it's better than it was but I still find it hard work!  

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1 minute ago, tbtstt said:

Awesome! Sure you already know, but you have to apply for individual event accreditation through the FiA website: it's better than it was but I still find it hard work!  

I did not know that and I am glad you told me. :classic_laugh:

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2 minutes ago, mwoodski said:

I did not know that and I am glad you told me. :classic_laugh:

Ha! It's a confusing setup (well I think it is). If you are applying for a round in your home country then you have to e-mail a representative for that round, if you are applying for a round outside your country of origin then you have to apply via the FiA accreditation website. 

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7 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Ha! It's a confusing setup (well I think it is). If you are applying for a round in your home country then you have to e-mail a representative for that round, if you are applying for a round outside your country of origin then you have to apply via the FiA accreditation website. 

We don't have any in my home country for WRX(I'm in the USA), so this'll be an adventure lmao.

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I think I've found out what is causing the grid bug for semi finals, this is copied from my bug report (minus the PJ tag):

UPDATE 3: I believe this bug is caused by consolidation finals. When the semi finals load, it says Consolidation Semi-Final on the information screen where the track is showcased, even if you finish the heats in the top 12. Consolidation finals have 5 car lineups right. So that would be why the cars are lined up in a row of 5 with the 6th car out of position. Maybe this bug will mean the removal of consolidation finals as an always on feature, like I've been pushing for since they were introduced :classic_biggrin:

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Busy RX weekend:

ERX at Estering with live streams. NRX at Utah with live streams. Both live streams on fb and YouTube.

Andrew Coley is doing commentating for NRX. He really seems to be the voice of international RX.

Travis Pastrana’s livery is the Classic Subaru livery with Red Bull logos on it. And Block’s livery is same as of Arpin, just a bit greyed out.

 

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34 minutes ago, JamesMcAdam said:

Who will comment the Erx ? I hope it is not Neil Cole alone.👀

I'd bet on Dan Rooke being there for commentary, not sure who else. Neil did do a Nordic RX weekend which was quite good.

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22 minutes ago, mwoodski said:

Scott Speed broke his back on a landing during Q1 yesterday.  He finished the run then went to the hospital and will be out for the remainder of the NRX weekend.

Yep like I told you on page 12 of this topic. Just can't understand why they stick to such stupid jump. Also, as a long time rx competitor, I would for sure don't race at such place. RX is fun to do but prio-1 is to go healthy to work on monday...

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owh man, sorry to hear about Speed. Though I not read anywhere it happened with the gap jump. Because I haven't seen heavy landings with than one. There are other jumps which have tougher landings. 

Btw, some footage from Red Bull

 

LCQ ROUNDS livestream

 

FINAL livestream

 

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owh man, sorry to hear about Speed. Though I not read anywhere it happened with the gap jump. Because I haven't seen heavy landings with than one. There are other jumps which have tougher landings.

Yeah, they just mentioned that it was overshooting one of the jumps and landing on the flat.

If you overshot the gap jump to land on the flat you'd have to leave the jump at over 140mph.

 

Watching the coverage now, I'm gonna bet he sailed it over the last jump on the track, the one right before they rejoin the pavement on the front straight.  It's a sharp run up to a short tabletop, and everyone's spiking the brakes now before going over the top of it.

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1 hour ago, mats27 said:

No idea how he managed that, last year most of the drivers were using an electric limiter for the jump to hold them at the perfect speed.

They now had to. I also think it not was the gap jump, but the double wave jump. I not think the last jump either, because the time would have been faster. Still amazing he finished the lap thought, must have been painful with three broken parts.

positive news though, it seems Speed will do a natural recovery without surgery.

It will take eight weeks and I wouldn’t be suprised after that he still need to do a lot of physical and possible mental recovery. His season is definitely over. 

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Yeah, the big jumps and motorcross style sections look cool, but I don't think rallycross needs gimmicks for good racing and, as has been proven in the past, these "spectacle" circuits just seem to result in drivers getting badly hurt. 

Glad that the Euros were on this weekend, so I could watch some proper rallycross! :classic_biggrin:

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42 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Yeah, the big jumps and motorcross style sections look cool, but I don't think rallycross needs gimmicks for good racing and, as has been proven in the past, these "spectacle" circuits just seem to result in drivers getting badly hurt. 

Glad that the Euros were on this weekend, so I could watch some proper rallycross! :classic_biggrin:

Well, I do understand, but I got into RX due to DiRT3 and... Global Rallycross. 

Although the gimmicks are not needed for good racing, it is ofcourse an USP to attract new fans, together with a Foust, Block and Pastrana. And how more fans there are around the world, the better it is for the future of RX imo. 

Most of the times I prefer the old school tracks. If that is RX or if that is with sportscar racing. But I think also the new Spa RX track is cool.

And I think if the NRX track would be in the game, it might be one of the most popular ones. Although it might be a bit difficult due to licensing, NRX is not from IMG ofcourse, but maybe add it might be beneficial for NRX, ARX and WRX. People who liked NRX might follow now ARX and WRX as well. More teams might consider doing NRX. Etc. And this could f.e. result in Hyundai and Honda returning.

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ya I don't know if anyone one here has noticed but a lot of the comments on those NRX videos on YouTube are asking for the track in DR2 haha

does anyone have a link to video of the heats and qualifying from day 1? can't find it anywhere. maybe we could find out what happened to Speed.

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2 hours ago, ianism said:

does anyone have a link to video of the heats and qualifying from day 1? can't find it anywhere. maybe we could find out what happened to Speed.

I don't think any of it was shown? I was getting notifications for most of the Nitro events and I don't recall seeing any for the early races? 

Guess I'll have to agree to disagree with you all on this one. Poor track design in the US took Gronholm out of competitive driving and that still irks me! 

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On 8/14/2019 at 8:26 PM, JorritVD said:

@PJTierney You know if the team is busy with some RX features?

Also I have noted it here:
https://forums.codemasters.com/topic/35255-jorritvd’s-suggestions-for-dirt-rally-20/

Return of RX race structures from DR1/D4
- "Final only" with 6 cars in position (so not the current one with 5 cars next to each other in qualifying heats) (This was in DR1 and D4)
- "Finals". So only with Semi-Finals and Final. So no qualifying heats (This was in DR1 and D4)
- Maybe some new ones:
--- Short event: with one quali round, semi final and a final.
--- Full event, but without the consolidation finals

Alternative track lay-outs
- Returning from D4: Hell, Holjes, Lydden Hill, Loheac, Montelegre
- Maybe also for the new tracks if realistic. Think Estering, Silverstone and GP3R ain't possible. 

Night weather option
- F.e. F1 games has it for Monaco and other tracks as far as i know.
- DiRT 3 had it for Monaco RX.
It would be cool to race in the night with Rallycross with all the lighteffect (flames from the exhaust, dust, hot brakes, brake lights. Ok, they not have headlights. But therefore there could be track lights ofcourse. 

 

I think the night option would be my favorite option 😄 

Some interesting suggestions there 🙂 

I need to work on a community wishlist tracker soon (the past few months we've been refining the bug tracker and making it work for everyone; that was a bigger priority) where I could add that.

Whether it's likely to happen or not is a different story however. I imagine your night time one would only work on Abu Dhabi since the cars have painted on headlights 😉 

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18 minutes ago, PJTierney said:

I imagine your night time one would only work on Abu Dhabi since the cars have painted on headlights 😉 

Just need a couple of spotlights at the side of the track and you're good to go...
 



...just don't stray off the track! 

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