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Hi team, I have some feedback on the decision to leave DLC nefs encrypted. I’ve tried (somewhat unsuccessfully) to keep this to the point. I've made the key points bold to aid in sending feedback upwards.
 
Firstly, I appreciate the open communication from @PJTierney on this. This is much, much better than keeping us in the dark. Thank you team. 
 
 
 
The main reason you’ve encrypted these files is based on the concern that if left unencrypted, players won’t purchase the DLC but will export the DLC models and replace the model of an available car. Some perspective:
  • The .nefs validation system you’ve built is already checking for .nefs file modification. The impact is, if people were to replace models in an available car, their career saves will be disabled and times will not be submitted online. The community has already shown from the launches of DiRT 4 and DR2.0 that with this degradation in experience, very few people will risk or bother going through the effort of installing custom liveries and models.
  • People would need to go through the effort of installing custom software, extracting the appropriate model files, and replacing these within the nefs of an available car. This process is not trivial. They would then get the visual benefit - but that’s it - and the replaced car model is cannibalised. 
  • My strong suggestion is that for the amount of effort involved in the modding process, and for the quality of in-game experience gained - people won’t bother. The few that do are probably going to pirate or never pay for DLC in the first place. And in the meantime your paying, dedicated and engaged community get frustrated and disappointed. 
 
What continuing to encrypt DLC cars means for us:
  • Frustration and disappointment. Less engagement with the game. Less motivation to purchase future DLC. 
  • Allowing the community to create liveries may seem trivial - but it is a crucial part of helping create an engaged community that will continue to invest time in the game. Will I use the Porsche 911 SC RS? I’ll try it out and move on. But if I could create a livery for it, I would without a doubt spend around 24 hours of my own time creating a custom livery - then be motivated to spend about as much time in game driving it.
  • In DR1 my favourite car was the 2007 Focus in the 2000cc class. I haven’t touched it in DR2 because the liveries are rubbish. I won’t use the 2000cc class at all as part of Clubs because I can't use a livery which immerses me in the experience. It’s a massive missed opportunity. The only thing that is making me try the other available R2 cars at the moment is the fact I can create a livery that helps engage me and my team in the experience of competing with others as part of a community organised championship. Without both of these things I would be sticking to my Fiesta and running daily events until I get bored. Custom liveries keep things fresh and engaging - keeping me in the game longer.
  • I’m much less likely to purchase additional DLC cars with this encryption in place. I’m talking even if the 206 drops - the livery will need to be hella good to make me consider purchasing - cause otherwise I simply won't use it. Without this nefs encryption imma throw you money
 
If you’re not going to unlock DLC nefs:
  • At the very least please consider enabling the folder method for DLC cars so we can use liveries for models that existed in previous DiRT titles.
  • Better, please consider also making DLC car textures available to the community somehow. This way the few people you're concerned about still can't rip you off, and there’s even more incentive to purchase your DLC because we’ll be creating a wealth of amazing livery content.
  • If you won’t do either of these… You need to invest in better liveries for DLC cars, or in comprehensive livery editing tools. With love and respect, the livery options we have in DR2.0 just aren't good enough. What will these cost you to implement? What is the cost of an increasingly disillusioned community?
 
Thanks team.  xoxo
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5 hours ago, pigloaf said:
If you’re not going to unlock DLC nefs:
  • At the very least please consider enabling the folder method for DLC cars so we can use liveries for models that existed in previous DiRT titles.
  • Better, please consider also making DLC car textures available to the community somehow. This way the few people you're concerned about still can't rip you off, and there’s even more incentive to purchase your DLC because we’ll be creating a wealth of amazing livery content.
  • If you won’t do either of these… You need to invest in better liveries for DLC cars, or in comprehensive livery editing tools. With love and respect, the livery options we have in DR2.0 just aren't good enough. What will these cost you to implement? What is the cost of an increasingly disillusioned community?

Why not create only folder skin for DLC cars?

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23 minutes ago, Ha3aP said:

Why not create only folder skin for DLC cars?

This is essentially what @pigloaf is saying.  It's also the most likely thing we have a chance of getting.

Don't un-encrypt the cars, i understand the reason not to, but at least allow the game to read folder structure for those cars, the same as the rest of the game does, so if people can fab up a livery, they'll at least be able to use it.

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7 hours ago, pigloaf said:

The main reason you’ve encrypted these files is based on the concern that if left unencrypted, players won’t purchase the DLC but will export the DLC models and replace the model of an available car. Some perspective:

I understood it that if the encryption is removed, the DLC cars will be available to anyone with the base game without any exporting or tinkering whatsoever? I might have understood that wrong though. 

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10 minutes ago, bogani said:

I understood it that if the encryption is removed, the DLC cars will be available to anyone with the base game without any exporting or tinkering whatsoever? I might have understood that wrong though. 

Yes it could be that - I might have understood it wrong instead. 

Either way all the other feedback still stands of course. Folder method needs to be working for DLC content.

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You can expect a sales increase if you unlock the car's liveries, that's guaranteed. It'd be the best of both world if you could keep the car models locked but allow liveries to be installed like launch-cars.

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51 minutes ago, Riggs said:

You can expect a sales increase if you unlock the car's liveries, that's guaranteed.

how on earth can you guarantee that? there's just people waiting in the wings to buy the game and/or DLC so they can get mods on the small number of DLC cars?

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2 minutes ago, ianism said:

how on earth can you guarantee that? there's just people waiting in the wings to buy the game and/or DLC so they can get mods on the small number of DLC cars?

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The motivation to buy content will be bigger than the motivation of driving a bland Focus 2007.

Those who pirate, will still be able to pirate it. Those who are loyal and buy, if you keep liveries locked you can lose some of those numbers.

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+ 1 for Custom Liveries or give us better ones like in Dirt 1. 

Thanks!!!

 

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@Riggs for sure, but as I said, it's not like there's a big crowd of people waiting to get the Focus or whatever. the people who are unhappy with it have it. the rest overwhelmingly don't know or don't care. any returns are negligible, let's be honest now.

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Those that are unhappy might wait when it comes to future DLC cars until they see the liveries. If these are decent or really cool, they are more likely to buy them. If these are not, there will be a number of people not buying it because why would you buy something if you know you won't use it anyways. 

I made a suggestion about a possible sollution to @PJTierney and I'm waiting for an answer... 😄

 

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On 6/21/2019 at 6:20 PM, SimVansevenant said:

Those that are unhappy might wait when it comes to future DLC cars until they see the liveries. If these are decent or really cool, they are more likely to buy them. If these are not, there will be a number of people not buying it because why would you buy something if you know you won't use it anyways. 

I made a suggestion about a possible sollution to @PJTierney and I'm waiting for an answer... 😄

 

Can we just have an official livery for the Focus 2007 at least. It is very disappointing that we did not get this. It

makes the difference if you drive the car or not. It's left in the garage for me.

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On 6/25/2019 at 6:35 PM, sqdstr said:

@SimVansevenant interested in making Kevin Abbring's VW Polo R5 for upcoming Ypres Rally? 😛

 

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It's on my list of future projects just like almost all the other cars driving in Ypres. 😛 

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Which cars can have multiple custom liveries installed so far? Fiesta R5, C3 R5, Polo R5, Impreza 555 Gr.A?

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On 6/19/2019 at 4:05 PM, ctbr said:

@PJTierney

Hi,

would it be possible for you to include the texture pssg files in the game placed at \DiRT Rally 2.0\cars\XXX\livery_00\textures_high?

The DLC cars will not work with only these files.

 

On 6/19/2019 at 4:06 PM, PJTierney said:

I can pass the feedback on.

@PJTierney Hi, any feedback from the team on this solution?

 

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Not on this specific topic, no.

I think right now the plan is to continue as-is, but at a later point we may revisit.

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2 hours ago, PJTierney said:

Not on this specific topic, no.

I think right now the plan is to continue as-is, but at a later point we may revisit.

Is this due to that it is to much work to implement technical or is more of a policy decision?

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