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As I already wrote in my impression thread, virtual rivals' times in rally are no doubt too fast and practically make career regime unplayable. Since new physics will irritate much most Dirt fans, mentioned fact can destroy the game's reputation to really low  level. Now I tried career regime with RWD Escort, with which I entered top ten in 2015 June monthly championship. "Medium" difficulty, 70 percent. So, I lose 10-15 seconds each short stage. At long stages yestrday I lost more than a minute. Its me, who has world records at each stage in SLRE and V-Rally4 and most stage in WRC 5 - the games with just  similar car handling. What does it mean? For what it? You can tell I can reduce level.... but for what a value? You think, players like to do such things? No, guys. I have no criteria for adjust new level, and I know clear, that a racer of my level must play highest level. Generally, these percents - its very bad idea. Three levels of difficulty would be quite enough, and important work for developers is to determine them in very accurate way. Here you missed this task, but now at least you have simply to reduce AI speed to some sensible degree. Otherwise community's irritation  can reach dangerous level.

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Ohh, Mein Gott! After continuing with that championship, I found VERY interesting things!

So, although I lost much to leader each stage, after 4th special I was nevetheless at 6th  position in event standings. Then long stage was presented.

And there I lost, after second attempt, 1min 44 sec. Not great improvement comparing first attempt, and, of course, such lag  impossible to regain even with many hours of work. Practically, no spce for improvement: the track is fast, with lank turns and a few technical combinations. The only task here - not to kill yourself with this wild speed:

 

 

 

Nice: everything for what you fighted in previous stage, turn itself into nothing and you reach last place with 0 points. What type of gameplay is it? How to give name for it?

 

More interesting were at Spain. In strange way, at first stage I got 2d place with first attempt. After 3d stage I was at leading position. So, long stage again - and again with the same pace I lose 3-4 seconds each sector. I tried to make some work at first two sectors.... so, I hited road sign and read "terminal damage" Lost all again. I know, its old feature, but its stupid. The question is - how does all that inspirate player? How many players will continue career, and how many will delete the game? And, the main, for what all these?

 

So, we see, that AI at least unbalanced: I wins in Spain easy while in hopeless way lose in Poland. Now solution is simply in times reducing to realistic values. Then, gameplay is unfriendly too much for such more realistic handling.  Rally playing presuppose  unknown stage passing for one time, not unlimited licking. If all that will not be fixed, people will be really angry.

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What AI level do you play at?

I'm at 70 (I think), I was 1st, 5th (many mistakes in the "long" stage as you called it, but all my own fault) and 1st again.

I'm 1st overall and find it a bit easy, but I wan't to play for the fun before getting too serious.

 

So if you don't win, why not lower the AI difficulty?

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13 minutes ago, Ruehling said:

So if you don't win, why not lower the AI difficulty?

In career mode, you can't change the AI difficulty.

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i can win in escort at 100 percent ai differculty you just not going fast enough. 70 is pretty easy even messing up.

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Most of your points I feel are ludicrous. The whole point of rally is that you drive on the edge and any screw up can cost you the stage/rally or indeed championship.

Contrary to putting players off..... it’s why we love Dirt Rally! I really think you are better suited to an arcade driving game. The off road in Forza Horizon would be for you.

However I do agree about Spain. Every time I have a Spain event the AI are disproportionately weak.

..... or maybe I’m just better on tarmac because used to circuit racing.

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On 2/24/2019 at 6:01 PM, ShodanCat said:

In career mode, you can't change the AI difficulty.

Really?!

Then the game is too easy... I played some stages and if I don't mess up too badly I make first place.

I thought I'd up the difficulty after getting the hang of the game and car...

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It's easier in the Open and it gets harder progressively on the way up to Masters league.

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Yeah just skipping through your videos really quick @LaPremierre you are honestly just slow. I don't want to be mean when I say that either, but it's the honest truth. Your times are miles away from being close to WR times over here in Dirt Rally. The other rally games you listed as well aren't known to be the most difficult or accurate simulations.

 

You need to work on being much cleaner in your runs and dive deeper on corners keeping your speed higher. You were at least a gear below what some of the rest of us would be using (looking at you @dgeesi0 since I know you can at least pace/beat me). Sadly, this is really just a matter of 'git gud' OP. Practice more, work on your throttle control, work on not over working the steering wheel, etc.

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7 hours ago, CatBadders said:

Yeah just skipping through your videos really quick @LaPremierre you are honestly just slow. I don't want to be mean when I say that either, but it's the honest truth. Your times are miles away from being close to WR times over here in Dirt Rally. The other rally games you listed as well aren't known to be the most difficult or accurate simulations.

 

You need to work on being much cleaner in your runs and dive deeper on corners keeping your speed higher. You were at least a gear below what some of the rest of us would be using (looking at you @dgeesi0 since I know you can at least pace/beat me). Sadly, this is really just a matter of 'git gud' OP. Practice more, work on your throttle control, work on not over working the steering wheel, etc.

You know, first of all, I have problem with AI only in "historic rally" and "custom event". In usual career I wins easy. Then, in DR 1 I entered many times top 5 in challenges and once top 10 in monthly championship. Its also indicates my true level. Third, this game is now practically NOT a "dirt" game, its closer to the  opposite pole and, it means, just to SLRE - best ever rally simulator. So, my skills confirmed in that games are actual here. Fourth, rally gaming generally does not presuppose unlimited track sucking, but just these skills. Here, as I said, I make second attempt. Of course, I can improve, but NOT for two minutes. If you can with the same car - please, post the video. Conclusion is simple: AI in Custom Event is unnatural.

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@LaPremierre  this videos gives you idea of speeds you should be getting at fast stages in Poland with Escort MK2. You are driving long straight at around 70 mph, when you should be doing around 100mph. It is not to say everyone has to drive as fast as on this video, but it is to say that if you want to win on normal and hard levels you should be driving max speeds. There is nothing wrong in lowering the level until you learn how to drive really fast without crashing. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wU_vMqCTTo

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1 hour ago, Sevsterino said:

@LaPremierre  this videos gives you idea of speeds you should be getting at fast stages in Poland with Escort MK2. You are driving long straight at around 70 mph, when you should be doing around 100mph. It is not to say everyone has to drive as fast as on this video, but it is to say that if you want to win on normal and hard levels you should be driving max speeds. There is nothing wrong in lowering the level until you learn how to drive really fast without crashing. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wU_vMqCTTo 

Its nice: I must go faster at straight! All my life I thought that for win in rally you must be faster at turns. So, of course, the reason of faster at straight can be in tyres. My friend said me that in this game tyres solves much, and we see, that before start this guy at video change tyres before start. And, yes, if you know track very well, you can drive more risky.

But very interesting that we dont know, how much gives all these, because you given link to movie, where just the prack from my run is not presented. Its strange, really, Also I dont know about upgrades...

For the ends, please, dont teach  me to drive fast, guys! Who of you could compete in equal with such titans, esport championship winners as aTTax Johnson or Nexl? For example, here I get 3 place in Grand Challenge in FH3 with 70000 participants (and 100 value prizes from Amazon) and beat the ghost of the guy already won 3 real cars including BMW 0f 130000E cost.

In such game as SLRE its much harder to control car, especiallu if its 1000hp hill climb monster

 

So,  let us better try to determine why this guy faster at straight and how nuch he really wins above me with it, OK?

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14 hours ago, LaPremierre said:

I can improve, but NOT for two minutes. If you can with the same car - please, post the video. Conclusion is simple: AI in Custom Event is unnatural.

If I can remember, or someone on Discord reminds me when I get home tonight, I'll make a video for you and show you how I would attack this stage. I run everything 100% stock setup with soft tires, specifically to show people that tuning really isn't needed for 99% of racers to reach fast times.

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15 minutes ago, CatBadders said:

If I can remember, or someone on Discord reminds me when I get home tonight, I'll make a video for you and show you how I would attack this stage. I run everything 100% stock setup with soft tires, specifically to show people that tuning really isn't needed for 99% of racers to reach fast times.

It is not needed to win against AI. BUT it is needed to win against real peaople who are using tunes ;-). 

@LaPremierre coole Videos! Bin da auch kein Unbekannter in der Szene, aber ich kann die Stages die du weiter oben gezeigt hast sehr leicht schaffen wenn ich ehrlich bin. Ich glaube da stimmt was nicht mit deinem Spiel wenn ich ehrlich bin. Versuch mal es neu zu installieren wenn möglich. Gruss!

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2 minutes ago, ORO ERICIUS said:

It is not needed to win against AI. BUT it is needed to win against real peaople who are using tunes ;-). 

Tell that to a few of the guys that I race with every night when we pick a stage and start dropping the WR 10-15 seconds off the old pace 😉 Think between the handful of us we have like 10+ WR's right now? All running 100% stock for bragging rights in the group. Eventually we will be dethroned and we will have no choice but to tune when people catch us and begin truly min-maxxing the stages, but it works pretty well stock right now.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, CatBadders said:

Tell that to a few of the guys that I race with every night when we pick a stage and start dropping the WR 10-15 seconds off the old pace 😉 Think between the handful of us we have like 10+ WR's right now? All running 100% stock for bragging rights in the group. Eventually we will be dethroned and we will have no choice but to tune when people catch us and begin truly min-maxxing the stages, but it works pretty well stock right now.

 

 

The game is out since wait… yesterday for everyone. So wait 1-2 months and your times will be destroyed by user who are using tunes. But as you said you know this already. No Need to discuss more then ;-). Keep racing.

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15 hours ago, LaPremierre said:

Fourth, rally gaming generally does not presuppose unlimited track sucking, but just these skills.

Sometimes I feel like you were in the middle of eating a bunch of words and you suddenly had to sneeze and it went all over the forums. I could pick words at random and make more sense than this. I realise English is probably not your primary language so it's mean to criticise but... I dunno, google translate or something.

Also, the thing about corners is that they lead onto straights, so if your straight line speed is garbage chances are your cornering is too. Either that or you just need bigger balls amigo.

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2 minutes ago, Cortextual said:

Sometimes I feel like you were in the middle of eating a bunch of words and you suddenly had to sneeze and it went all over the forums

Ok I chuckled a little too much at this, will be stealing this to describe some of the stuff I see on the internet in the future. 

 

But OP is correct in that cornering is more important - because if you exit the corner correctly you can hit flatout speeds sooner. Cornering is only useful when you apply it to the next straight just like you say. Driving at 110mph instead of 90mph for 1 second longer on a straight is 10x more useful than driving 40mph instead of 30mph for 0.5 seconds in a corner.

 

One of the biggest things to also learn about racing is that going fast isn't the most important thing - it's about driving the shortest line possible. If you can find a way to shave 60ft off of your line, you just made up twice the distance gained in the difference of going 110mph and 90mph for that one second in the example above (~30ft).

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5 hours ago, CatBadders said:

If I can remember, or someone on Discord reminds me when I get home tonight, I'll make a video for you and show you how I would attack this stage. I run everything 100% stock setup with soft tires, specifically to show people that tuning really isn't needed for 99% of racers to reach fast times.

So, its just you... But in this case... if you comment my video - what prevented you to show the same track just from the beginning?

And then.... does my new movies prove you, that I dont need to learn driving? And in this case - why I have AT STRAIGHT 70 instead of 100? What a reason, if not tyres? German guy above make advise to reistall the game... thanks to him, but I have doubts it will help. So, what?

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14 minutes ago, LaPremierre said:

what prevented you to show the same track just from the beginning?

I'm at work and won't be home for 3-4 hours. I'll get you a video tho, don't worry!

 

You know how to drive, but you are not driving at the limit. You are driving far slower than the limit. It is hard to just tell you what you did wrong. It will be much easier to show you my entire race.

 

But if you need a quick example: the first 60 seconds of your race, you never redline and you never even hit 5th gear. You should be able to redline 5th gear on those long stretches, not staying in 4th gear

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I remember you LaPremierre, welcome back to the forums. Your ramblings have always amused me. ❤️

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53 minutes ago, CatBadders said:

I'm at work and won't be home for 3-4 hours. I'll get you a video tho, don't worry!

 

You know how to drive, but you are not driving at the limit. You are driving far slower than the limit. It is hard to just tell you what you did wrong. It will be much easier to show you my entire race.

 

But if you need a quick example: the first 60 seconds of your race, you never redline and you never even hit 5th gear. You should be able to redline 5th gear on those long stretches, not staying in 4th gear

Hmm... its just the question: why I don't reach 5th gear? But we forgot to discuss driving aids... may be, its just the reason? Really, your car is too stable. But I must work each moment for keep it simply on track...

Also I read in your first answer "The other rally games you listed as well aren't known to be the most difficult or accurate simulations". Sounds nice, but does DR 2.0 known as accurate simulator? Who named it in such way - venal reviewers, which also write now about good picture here? Even if its true, we must at least wait a little until TRUE experts will make conclusions. And don't to forget, that if DR 2.0 is accurate simulator,  - DR is NOT a simulator... one of two.

DR 2.0 is simulator because it made by the standard of SLRE - best ever rally simulator, where I see Seb Loeb behind wheel and download his ghost for each track.

And also... go to V-Rally 4 and feel, how suspension works there!... and compare with it...

 

 

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On 2/24/2019 at 9:48 PM, Voidhawk said:

Most of your points I feel are ludicrous. The whole point of rally is that you drive on the edge and any screw up can cost you the stage/rally or indeed championship.

Contrary to putting players off..... it’s why we love Dirt Rally! I really think you are better suited to an arcade driving game. The off road in Forza Horizon would be for you.

However I do agree about Spain. Every time I have a Spain event the AI are disproportionately weak.

..... or maybe I’m just better on tarmac because used to circuit racing.

Hmm... so, if you like lap racing, for you the criterion of simulation is simulation of asphalt driving with special bolids: extra grip. light weight and so one. But rally  - its not F1! Heavy car slides oh any surface... so, time show us, what is TRUE rally simulator: after Milestone in SLRE and Kylotonn in V-Rally 4, for the ends of all. Codemasters also got SLIDING model of grip. In contrary with railway model of DR, where car turns even in air just in the moment of wheel turn and for the same angle. That was just arcade, but, Cod saves, now we see simulation in Dirt series first time from it's foundation...

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@LaPremierre converting and compressing the raw video now, will have it uploaded soon for you. You either need to learn to go flat out, or your pedals are broken and you are not/cannot go 100% because I was redlining 5th gear in the first 20 seconds. I'm going to guess you're scared to go 100% flat out because you had no problem almost getting to 5th gear but always slow down when you get there.

Well damn, my internet upload feels slow but I guess this is what uploading ultrawide at full resolution gets me... this link will eventually be ready. eventually.

https://youtu.be/R2F9SQeJrjI

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