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5 hours ago, ianism said:

guess we can close this thread lol.

still never was any video evidence anything changed. all the youtubers i follow (SuperGT, Jimmy Broadbent etc) never noticed anything, and they really are expert drivers

SAME!! I'd never driven that class before, even. finished 3:30 down, but then i checked the leaderboards and was in the top 50%! seems like most of us just completely suck, which is encouraging in a strange way.

but yeah, wow, the RWD cars seem much harder if you don't have a wheel (or maybe those guys just really are that good?). especially the ones with higher power-to-weight ratios, like the Stratos, which coincidentally I also folded around pretty much every object in Poland in a Daily event last week.

I've driven the Alpine and the Ascona a bit and they weren't too bad with some practice.

This is a funny post, those youtubers would detect small changes in handling? HAH ,.  please.  😛   Im the one posting here actually reviewing data logs and telling you what I see.  There is a difference between extroverted entertainers on YT and technical people, and also expert drivers in general.  Just saying.  Generally once people on YT start to get many thousands of views and followers they lose focus, and feed the crowd.  Don't expect breakthroughs from them.  Its like we got almost 0 warning from them when they previewed/reviewed the games early, utterly useless bunch of people when its time to voice something that isn't popular and against their market share.

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13 hours ago, bogani said:

Just tried it and it's absolutely now a POPCORN ARCADE game. So disappointed you nerfed then handling Codies. Soooo disappointed. 

 

:classic_ninja:

In a world of hardcore rally sim with a controller you really have to know that the car is behaving EXACTLY like real rally car would. 

When I do my usual surprisingly low quality driving and turn in-game wheel 1,25 degrees car should match real life behavior, otherwise it's not worth it. 

 

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1 hour ago, bn880 said:

This is a funny post, those youtubers would detect small changes in handling? HAH ,.  please.  😛   Im the one posting here actually reviewing data logs and telling you what I see.  There is a difference between extroverted entertainers on YT and technical people, and also expert drivers in general.  Just saying.  Generally once people on YT start to get many thousands of views and followers they lose focus, and feed the crowd.  Don't expect breakthroughs from them.  Its like we got almost 0 warning from them when they previewed/reviewed the games early, utterly useless bunch of people when its time to voice something that isn't popular and against their market share.

fair point about reviewing data, but frankly if there is a noticable difference, even a small one, you would expect the best drivers to notice it first, right? and some of those guys are really, really good.

as for not giving fair warning, they all voiced concerns about lack of content and racenet issues. the third main problem, ffb, is less likely to be noticed as they're more likely to have higher end wheels which apparently aren't affected

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1 hour ago, ianism said:

fair point about reviewing data, but frankly if there is a noticable difference, even a small one, you would expect the best drivers to notice it first, right? and some of those guys are really, really good.

as for not giving fair warning, they all voiced concerns about lack of content and racenet issues. the third main problem, ffb, is less likely to be noticed as they're more likely to have higher end wheels which apparently aren't affected

They didn't focus on the problems enough and/or didn't make the points clear, they didn't appear to sink in with anyone before the release.  Also for example the arcade damage in Career mode (especially not being able to use hardcore damage), all the night and wet stages, etc. were not mentioned.  It's when you give an executive summary at the end of a review ( or conclusion) that you should bring the pros/cons of your findings to light in the correct balance.    There were some insane things missed IMO.  And while maybe they experienced them, they didn't raise them as real issues which IMO if they did their job 100% they should have.     As for the best drivers,  well maybe I don't even know, but I do know in terms of hot lapping the best guys are in the DR Discord chat and they also don't see a handling diff.  I also agree that (for the most part) the fastest guys would notice a change.  HOWEVER, there is a fact that the fastest drivers use totally different technique to the really slow drivers that complain about handling.  So it might not even be noticed. (not trying to feed the conspiracy, just saying)

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57 minutes ago, bn880 said:

They didn't focus on the problems enough and/or didn't make the points clear, they didn't appear to sink in with anyone before the release.  Also for example the arcade damage in Career mode (especially not being able to use hardcore damage), all the night and wet stages, etc. were not mentioned.  It's when you give an executive summary at the end of a review ( or conclusion) that you should bring the pros/cons of your findings to light in the correct balance.    There were some insane things missed IMO.  And while maybe they experienced them, they didn't raise them as real issues which IMO if they did their job 100% they should have.     As for the best drivers,  well maybe I don't even know, but I do know in terms of hot lapping the best guys are in the DR Discord chat and they also don't see a handling diff.  I also agree that (for the most part) the fastest guys would notice a change.  HOWEVER, there is a fact that the fastest drivers use totally different technique to the really slow drivers that complain about handling.  So it might not even be noticed. (not trying to feed the conspiracy, just saying)

You keep saying “they” as if all YouTubers are the same. This is rather unfair to the good ones, as they did indeed, and still do in some cases, talk about the issues you claim they didn’t focus enough (for who?) on.

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Try this in case you feel some weirdness still in the game. Take any car any stage and drive in dashboard cam as long you feel the driving suddenly feeling better, more natural. After this you can use any view.

This works for ps4 and xbox one (controller). If you close the game you have to do this again. I think this is what was going on. Great game!

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11 minutes ago, Joe289 said:

Try this in case you feel some weirdness still in the game. Take any car any stage and drive in dashboard cam as long you feel the driving suddenly feeling better, more natural. After this you can use any view. 

This works for ps4 and xbox one (controller). If you close the game you have to do this again. I think this is what was going on. Great game! 

What settings do you use with the controller?

I haven't played for a couple of days. I don't know how the game feels nowdoes it feel the same as before patch Did they fix it yesterday?

 

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How about boozing few days, that may calibrate brains to starting point 🍻😵🛌👻🎮🚘

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1 hour ago, J89 said:

What settings do you use with the controller?

I haven't played for a couple of days. I don't know how the game feels nowdoes it feel the same as before patch Did they fix it yesterday?

 

I use default settings except steering sensitivity 45, suspension 150, tyre slip 150, but use your own settings. Feels same as before patch (no new patch). Of course for comparison drive while without doing the thing.

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4 minutes ago, Joe289 said:

I use default settings except steering sensitivity 45, but use your own settings. Feels same as before patch (no new patch). Of course for comparison drive while without doing the thing. 

Ok, obviously they've fixed it yesterday, great!

My steering sensitivity is 100 and deadzone 3.

 

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Yep, they've fixed it yesterday 😂 Thanks for the laughs, guys. 

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Is the guy having a conversation with himself from different accounts in here?

This is gold! :classic_laugh:

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3 hours ago, richie said:

Yep, they've fixed it yesterday 😂 Thanks for the laughs, guys. 

So is it still an arcade ****?

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8 hours ago, afahoy said:

You keep saying “they” as if all YouTubers are the same. This is rather unfair to the good ones, as they did indeed, and still do in some cases, talk about the issues you claim they didn’t focus enough (for who?) on.

Well if you have a link to a video or reference where they (any reviewer/previewer) actually warned people about this stuff (always online SP, digital handbrake, wetness, nights, no hardcore dmg in career etc) before the release I'd be curious to see who was so prudent.

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2 hours ago, bogani said:

Is the guy having a conversation with himself from different accounts in here?

This is gold! :classic_laugh:

Maybe a mod can verify post IP addresses to confirm if someone is actually talking to themselves? 😄

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I still can't understand how you don't notice that better grip and easy handling.

I just tried Poland Marynka at R5 Skoda Fabia and I broke my record in 8s, the game is not enjoyable or challenging, like before the update.

And the graphics are blurry with Ps4 Pro, i paid 80 euros for this 👎

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Maybe you're just special and have a gold star for being super-duper-awesome and drive leik the good rallye driverr.

 

How many times does everyone need to tell you that they are not experiencing the same thing, that's why they don't notice it, you're going to have to take peoples advise and start testing things and seeing if some settings or following some procedure changes the feel.

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25 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

How many times does everyone need to tell you that they are not experiencing the same thing, that's why they don't notice it, you're going to have to take peoples advise and start testing things and seeing if some settings or following some procedure changes the feel. 

I've tried different controller settings. I tried more and less sensitivity or linearity, but it doesn't affect my own feeling that there is more grip.

It may be that it is only noticed by the controller pad, not by the wheel.  So I think driving is made easier for those who play the controller? I don't know, but the difference is before the patch.

The sound of the tires on the gravel has also changed, it is really annoying now.

 

25 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Maybe you're just special and have a gold star for being super-duper-awesome and drive leik the good rallye driverr.

I'm not sure about that :classic_biggrin:

 

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If what you're experiencing is anything more than just your input working a certain way, you'd see the change in your times, so far, you've not been able to say that.

 

Why don't you go and change the assists to all on, complete a stage/time trial or something, quit the game.  Go back in, disable the assists again (i'm assuming you're running with them turned off?) and see what, if anything changes.

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5 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

If what you're experiencing is anything more than just your input working a certain way, you'd see the change in your times, so far, you've not been able to say that.

 

Why don't you go and change the assists to all on, complete a stage/time trial or something, quit the game.  Go back in, disable the assists again (i'm assuming you're running with them turned off?) and see what, if anything changes. 

I've already tried everything. I'll try the game again after the next patch.

It was fun as long as it lasted 😑

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24 minutes ago, J89 said:

I've already tried everything. I'll try the game again after the next patch.

It was fun as long as it lasted 😑

That's an idiotic comment and the next patch won't change anything as the last one didn't either.

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9 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Maybe a mod can verify post IP addresses to confirm if someone is actually talking to themselves? 😄

No I'm not the same guy. I now have different experience than J89. Maybe he can't get the settings reset. If you read my earlier posts, dashboard trick is only get somehow settings to reset. Some settings bug, maybe there are other ways also, just seems to be working every time. I would not maybe believe either that something was going on if I didn't expirience it myself.

What is my point here is that it would be unfortunate if maybe some of the players would play little different game.

For tbtstt: Try this what I wrote before and see if you can feel difference. I notice it on every car but maybe first new zealand/heavy rain subaru nr4 and ford escort. Also using suspension 150 tyre slip 150 (100 100 xbox) makes it easier to notice.

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11 hours ago, J89 said:

I still can't understand how you don't notice that better grip and easy handling.

I just tried Poland Marynka at R5 Skoda Fabia and I broke my record in 8s, the game is not enjoyable or challenging, like before the update.

👎

People don't notice it because it literally doesn't exist.  I believe 8s is VERY easy to shave off if you've only done a stage a few times and are not even close to the limits yet.  I keep shaving off 5 to 10s per stage every time I have a cleaner run.  It's quite literally called learning.

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An interesting fact is that there's a "no grip" bug which prevents the car from accelerating and/or levitating since launch, but after v1.2 its rate of occurrence has increased a lot. This grip bug could also be occurring with opposite effects for some people, causing the car to grip more than it's supposed to, giving it extra grip and therefore resulting in faster times. The effects are inconsistent between reports, and this could be just another one.

Reference: 

 

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10 hours ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

That's an idiotic comment and the next patch won't change anything as the last one didn't either.

Not quite true as it gave us Monte Carlo. 

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