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15 hours ago, richie said:

Well, it depends on how you define 'good snow banks'. I think they were too unforgiving and thus a bit unrealistic. The slightest touch spun your car. Restart again. I think Dirt4 snow banks were much better in that regard. They still spun your car around if you hit them at mid/high speeds. 

on the other hand it depends how you define "realistic"

there are many types of snow depending on the weather conditions

just a few examples off the top of my head:

  • snow that has just fallen when it's below -5 degrees is like fine powder. 
  • snow that has just fallen when it's near 0 degrees, but then the temperature drops to below -5 or so will be more like sand
  • snow that has been melted or rained on is slush and behaves more like wet mashed potatoes
  • snow that has been rained on and then frozen is like concrete (when I was a kid, I tried to tackle a pile thinking it was soft and ended up winding myself and writhing around on my back for several minutes)

see the problem?

2 hours ago, FLAW3D said:

Had a few shots when it dropped at 12 - Stunning!

hmmm not there for me yet 😕

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Had a go at both long runs each way today and felt it had some variation in snow types. With some slushy and other bits firmer. Took a bit to get used to the fact it had studs on. I like the banks better than in DR1, more progressive. You get a puff of snow and minimal effect on a slight cut, to dragging the nose in as you get deeper, too an all out spin which happened once or twice if you hit it hard.

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9 hours ago, ianism said:

on the other hand it depends how you define "realistic"

there are many types of snow depending on the weather conditions

just a few examples off the top of my head:

  • snow that has just fallen when it's below -5 degrees is like fine powder. 
  • snow that has just fallen when it's near 0 degrees, but then the temperature drops to below -5 or so will be more like sand
  • snow that has been melted or rained on is slush and behaves more like wet mashed potatoes
  • snow that has been rained on and then frozen is like concrete (when I was a kid, I tried to tackle a pile thinking it was soft and ended up winding myself and writhing around on my back for several minutes)

see the problem?

hmmm not there for me yet 😕

Of course it also depends on how we define 'realistic'. That's correct. I'm not saying snow banks can't unsettle, stop or spin your car around. I remember it was overdone in DR, a slightest touch would stop your car as if it weighs nothing. Not realistic in my view. 

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I still spin out or roll over as soon as I clip the banks minimally. For some reason this happens less at high speed. At low-medium speed they're still death traps.

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I´m not so excited, waited at least eyecandy with HDR but no even that.
What comes to FFB, they managed to disappear it totally for Sweden :classic_dry:
 

 

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Yesterday I had little time to play, but what I played in Sweden was great. Handling now it feels more realistic than in DR 1, and you actually can feel the difference between hard snow/ice and more fluffy snow.

In general snowbanks are well represented, and anyway it's something that you should avoid. If you hit an interior snowbank at medium-high speed in an entry of corner you could get a flip, especially if the snowbank is not enough tall. Stages now looks more beautiful with the upgraded light system, and Phil notes sound amazing compared with DR 1 notes.

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I think it's perfect except for the missing FFB and the co-driver audio being mixed way louder than the other locations.

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on my side, I found an audio bug. I am on a 5.1 system and the co-pilot works on my medium speaker usually except there in Sweden where it is mixed with the two front satellites.

does anyone have the same problem?

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I think this is more proper topic for my rant about traction in Sweden. First I want to make it clear that I like the game, but Sweden was huge let down for me. I know that there is people who like slipping and sliding all over the road and that's fine, but studded rally tires are wrong tires for that. Those tires should have enormous amount of grip, on clean ice even more than with gravel tires on gravel. Still that grip isn't present in game and that makes me wonder why? I admit that some 4wd cars feels pretty decent, but are still missing that bite what those tires should offer. RWD cars on the other hand is totally different ball game, those lack every traction what they should have. At the moment those cars feels like they have worn road use winter tires.

And I'm not trying to tell what I _think_ it should feel or how much I _think_ there should be traction. I know how well those tires bite in the ice. And before someone mentions that there is snow and slush that makes it really slippery and this is why the game is realistic atm. Well yes and no. Ofc fresh snow on top of the road makes it little bit more slippery, just like slush. But still what is under that snow and slush? Ice. Or gravel. And after few cars there should be relatively clean trails where the studs can bite again on the ice. 

This was posted on Gossip thread and I think this was really good video. 

 

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Really like how Sweden feels. Grip is about right imho, a bit more grip than gravel stages which is about where it's supposed to be. Snow banks feel good, it's not at the "touch me you die" level of DR1 but neither as forgiving as in D4.

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20 minutes ago, Dytut said:

Grip is about right imho, a bit more grip than gravel stages which is about where it's supposed to be.

We must be playing different games.

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39 minutes ago, Murikka said:

We must be playing different games.

I tried Group B RWD at Sweden and it had plenty of grip, the car handled absolutely fantastic. Someone posted a video in the video-thread with the 240Z and it looks like he had tons of grip too, so I'm not sure why it seems that you're not experiencing this. However, I already mentioned this in the gossip-thread, if you drive on slush the car slides a lot. Also, studded tires might offer that bite but i think driving with a locked diff will always be difficult on snow, ice and slush, so I can only recommend to open up the diff a bit.  

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5 minutes ago, richie said:

I tried Group B RWD at Sweden and it had plenty of grip, the car handled absolutely fantastic. Someone posted a video in the video-thread with the 240Z and it looks like he had tons of grip too, so I'm not sure why it seems that you're not experiencing this. However, I already mentioned this in the gossip-thread, if you drive on slush the car slides a lot. Also, studded tires might offer that bite but i think driving with a locked diff will always be difficult on snow, ice and slush, so I can only recommend to open up the diff a bit.  

I don't even know why I did bother.

Also thanks for the lecture about snow and slush, but I live in Finland, so I think I have that covered already. 

But in the end what you are saying; for example my favorite car what I use 99% of the time in game; mk2 Escort. It spins it's tires up to 4th gear on 1/4 throttle, it has no lateral grip and it locks brakes way too easily, and that is how it works because there happens to be little bit snow and slush at some parts of the road? It's strange that the mk2 Escort where I sat in real life did actually have all the grip, it was like on rails most of the time. And that was real genuine historic rally mk2 Escort with studded rally tires on private testing stage in the middle of the winter.

Maybe some solution would be longer stud tire option, equivalent to soft gravel tires. That way people who likes to drive little bit slippier car can have their fun and people like me can enjoy it too.

But to be honest, if majority thinks it's fine like that, I'm ok with it. I don't have to drive Swedish stages. I was just little bit disappointed as I had high expectations about it.

tl;dr I don't like the grip in Sweden, because it doesn't correspond my real life experience with those type of tires. 

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2 hours ago, Dytut said:

Snow banks feel good, it's not at the "touch me you die" level of DR1 but neither as forgiving as in D4.

Now the snow banks are ridiculous and you can't lean on them, they're like rock.

Dirt Rally 1 they were much better, like in real life.

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32 minutes ago, Murikka said:

 

But in the end what you are saying; for example my favorite car what I use 99% of the time in game; mk2 Escort. It spins it's tires up to 4th gear on 1/4 throttle, it has no lateral grip and it locks brakes way too easily, and that is how it works because there happens to be little bit snow and slush at some parts of the road? It's strange that the mk2 Escort where I sat in real life did actually have all the grip, it was like on rails most of the time. And that was real genuine historic rally mk2 Escort with studded rally tires on private testing stage in the middle of the winter.

 

I haven't tried the Escort mk2 yet, maybe it's a car specific issue. Did you watch the 240Z video in the video thread? It has the grip that you're missing in the Escort. I'm going to give the Escort a go tonight and see how it handles. 

 

Edit: Btw, Petter Solberg took part in the Rally Sweden Historic this year in an awesome Escort Mk2, and he won it! 

 

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pace note are not good again in sweden ( i give 1 example  the co driver said gauche 2 ferme sur 1 but is the square left and is not finish )

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20 minutes ago, richie said:

I haven't tried the Escort mk2 yet, maybe it's a car specific issue. Did you watch the 240Z video in the video thread? It has the grip that you're missing in the Escort. I'm going to give the Escort a go tonight and see how it handles. 

Edit: Btw, Petter Solberg took part in the Rally Sweden Historic this year in an awesome Escort Mk2, and he won it! 

 

 

I did watch that 240Z vid and no it doesn't look right. Sure he can drive, but it doesn't still look right for me. 

Here you can see how tight and in control even high horse power M3 is with studded tires. Compare that to any game replay and you may notice the difference. Ofc the road is really narrow in the start, but in the end it gets more wider and then that car gets to stretch its legs. 

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11 minutes ago, Murikka said:

I did watch that 240Z vid and no it doesn't look right. Sure he can drive, but it doesn't still look right for me. 

Here you can see how tight and in control even high horse power M3 is with studded tires. Compare that to any game replay and you may notice the difference. Ofc the road is really narrow in the start, but in the end it gets more wider and then that car gets to stretch its legs. 

Honestly, I see 100% DR.2.0 gameplay there. It's not like he just floors it and places the car where he likes. He's wrestling the car a lot and he's short shifting all the time because of the power and he slides, so basically what we have in-game at the moment. I understand you're not satisfied at the moment but that's actually what I'm experiencing. 

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6 minutes ago, richie said:

Honestly, I see 100% DR.2.0 handling there.

I'm done. Fine, you won. 

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Yea, sorry, I'm calling it. The grip on Sweden is accurate to what I've witnessed of rallying on snow. It's high grip, but it's not ultra high grip. There's still powder and slush and such. The grip level feels fantastic imo.

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5 minutes ago, Murikka said:

I'm done. Fine, you won. 

Agree to disagree boys, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I find the balance of grip is perfect. Once FFB is ameliorated, it will be even better. 

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11 minutes ago, Murikka said:

I'm done. Fine, you won. 

Come on, I'm just portraying what I'm seeing. Again, maybe it's car specific. I'm going to try the Escort Mk2 this evening and see how it handles. 

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2 minutes ago, Buckwilder said:

Agree to disagree boys, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I find the balance of grip is perfect. Once FFB is ameliorated, it will be even better. 

I do agree that everyone have right to have an opinion. BUT when the grip on icy parts of the stage should be even higher than we have in poland or in new england and in my game there is deffinetly not anywhere near that amount of grip. Not even close. It's a one ******* spin fest from start to finish. I don't really care arguing with something like this. This is pointless and time consuming bs. I drive in snow a lot. And have been in 2 different fast cars with proper stud tires, and the game doesn't come even close to that amount of grip. But I don't really care, if majority thinks it's fine how it is now, I'm really ok with that. I just don't touch Swedish stages even with 10ft pole and problem is solved. 

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