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2 hours ago, Murikka said:

I do agree that everyone have right to have an opinion. BUT when the grip on icy parts of the stage should be even higher than we have in poland or in new england and in my game there is deffinetly not anywhere near that amount of grip. Not even close. It's a one ******* spin fest from start to finish. I don't really care arguing with something like this. This is pointless and time consuming bs. I drive in snow a lot. And have been in 2 different fast cars with proper stud tires, and the game doesn't come even close to that amount of grip. But I don't really care, if majority thinks it's fine how it is now, I'm really ok with that. I just don't touch Swedish stages even with 10ft pole and problem is solved. 

🙂 lol

Sounds good...enjoy Rally 🇸🇪 

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16 minutes ago, Buckwilder said:

🙂 lol

Sounds good...enjoy Rally 🇸🇪

lol

Clever answer. How long it took to think that? 

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1 hour ago, Murikka said:

lol

Clever answer. How long it took to think that? 

This answer took me about 4 hours to conceive, cleverness like this no easy feat! 😜

Only messing with you man, like I said above, everyone has their own views on the game...to each their own I say! 😉

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I don't know what's going on. Sometimes I spin out/roll over every moment I even look at the banks, another I can drive over them and crash into them all the time and nothing happens. Every time though, crashing into them gives me the sound of my car hitting some massive metal something.

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3 hours ago, DocStrangelove said:

I don't know what's going on. Sometimes I spin out/roll over every moment I even look at the banks, another I can drive over them and crash into them all the time and nothing happens. Every time though, crashing into them gives me the sound of my car hitting some massive metal something.

i've mixed feelings too 😂

overall with rwd cars , sometimes  it has grip ,sometimes not.  it feels you have to fiddle with differential at evry stage

 

on 4wd cars i have no problems,  only rwd  could have a little more overall grip

 

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3 hours ago, DocStrangelove said:

I don't know what's going on. Sometimes I spin out/roll over every moment I even look at the banks, another I can drive over them and crash into them all the time and nothing happens. Every time though, crashing into them gives me the sound of my car hitting some massive metal something.

Yes, sometimes you can fly through the banks without any impact, other times it's like hitting a tree stump. But, maybe a snow bank was covering a stump? I dunno, it is hard to judge and does seem random.

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Tried the Escort Mk2 and - at least with default setup - it oversteers like crazy if you're not gentle with the throttle. I think it's mostly setup related, so I opened up the diff to 30% and I found stiffening up front springs and ARBs helped a lot. I also increased ride height a bit and it's drivable now. You still have to be gentle with the throttle. It's a very tail happy beast. 

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22 minutes ago, richie said:

Tried the Escort Mk2 and - at least with default setup - it oversteers like crazy if you're not gentle with the throttle. I think it's mostly setup related, so I opened up the diff to 30% and I found stiffening up front springs and ARBs helped a lot. I also increased ride height a bit and it's drivable now. You still have to be gentle with the throttle. It's a very tail happy beast. 

yes because of the fixed rear axle.         try  stiff the rear  arb  to  7/10nm        and front to 12nm

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1 hour ago, richie said:

Tried the Escort Mk2 and - at least with default setup - it oversteers like crazy if you're not gentle with the throttle. I think it's mostly setup related, so I opened up the diff to 30% and I found stiffening up front springs and ARBs helped a lot. I also increased ride height a bit and it's drivable now. You still have to be gentle with the throttle. It's a very tail happy beast. 

Even regular road use winter tires with studs has better grip in real life, and that escort has studded rally tires. Yes, must be setup related. 

The oversteer it has on sweden is purely lack of proper traction it should have. It literally just slides on the road surface. 

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11 hours ago, Murikka said:

Even regular road use winter tires with studs has better grip in real life, and that escort has studded rally tires. Yes, must be setup related. 

The oversteer it has on sweden is purely lack of proper traction it should have. It literally just slides on the road surface. 

The reason why I think it's setup related is that it's the same on heavy gravel with default setup, so if you dial in some understeer by stiffening the front end the car actually becomes more stable on corner exit. Don't forget that teams also change the setup all the time according to conditions they're going to face in different locations, so setup is always an important variable. 

12 hours ago, teknoid85 said:

yes because of the fixed rear axle.         try  stiff the rear  arb  to  7/10nm        and front to 12nm

Now, given that we have plenty of oversteer, i'm not sure if stiffening rear ARBs is a good idea tbf. I'm going to give it a go but I doubt it'll improve things for Sweden. 

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1 hour ago, richie said:

The reason why I think it's setup related is that it's the same on heavy gravel with default setup, so if you dial in some understeer by stiffening the front end the car actually becomes more stable on corner exit. Don't forget that teams also change the setup all the time according to conditions they're going to face in different locations, so setup is always an important variable. 

Now, given that we have plenty of oversteer, i'm not sure if stiffening rear ARBs is a good idea tbf. I'm going to give it a go but I doubt it'll improve things for Sweden. 

try that with the bmw e30   front  12nm rear  8nm and let me know   😉

p.s: diff.   24/30%

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1 hour ago, richie said:

The reason why I think it's setup related is that it's the same on heavy gravel with default setup, so if you dial in some understeer by stiffening the front end the car actually becomes more stable on corner exit.

Yea nah. We have totally different driving style judging by your setups. I like to keep front end little bit softer to get it dive under braking, so I have most grip on the fron tires when I need it, on the corner exit I just power it out, no problems with excessive oversteer as the weight transfers back to the rear wheels on acceleration. And I actually raced mk1 escort years ago, so driving mk2 in a game is quite easy.

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30 minutes ago, Murikka said:

Yea nah. We have totally different driving style judging by your setups. I like to keep front end little bit softer to get it dive under braking, so I have most grip on the fron tires when I need it, on the corner exit I just power it out, no problems with excessive oversteer as the weight transfers back to the rear wheels on acceleration. And I actually raced mk1 escort years ago, so driving mk2 in a game is quite easy.

I think the way the Escort Mk2 was modelled default suspension is extra extra extra soft, as Phil would say, so after stiffening the springs a bit they're still soft enough to let the car dive under braking and have the front end grip you need. The changes I mentioned made the car a lot more drivable, at least for me, front end grip was fine, the car was a lot more stable. 

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18 hours ago, richie said:

I think the way the Escort Mk2 was modelled default suspension is extra extra extra soft, as Phil would say, so after stiffening the springs a bit they're still soft enough to let the car dive under braking and have the front end grip you need. The changes I mentioned made the car a lot more drivable, at least for me, front end grip was fine, the car was a lot more stable. 

I just prefer it softer, as tuning the car you are suppose to make the car suit your needs, because I still doesn't think that there is one size fit for all tuning setup. 

I did few stages in Sweden yesterday, it just feels ridiculous that even on slightest turn you just hear woooosh and the car lose traction. It's kinda similiar thing than on asphalt, the car feels little floaty and slides when it actually should have grip. Even on low speeds you can lift off throttle on middle of the slide and the car still keeps sliding, when it should snap itself on that direction where your front wheels are pointing at the moment. Biggest problem for me is total lack of lateral traction.

 

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8 hours ago, Murikka said:

I just prefer it softer, as tuning the car you are suppose to make the car suit your needs, because I still doesn't think that there is one size fit for all tuning setup. 

I did few stages in Sweden yesterday, it just feels ridiculous that even on slightest turn you just hear woooosh and the car lose traction. It's kinda similiar thing than on asphalt, the car feels little floaty and slides when it actually should have grip. Even on low speeds you can lift off throttle on middle of the slide and the car still keeps sliding, when it should snap itself on that direction where your front wheels are pointing at the moment. Biggest problem for me is total lack of lateral traction.

 

I just tried the Escort with default suspension, only tweaked ARBs and the diff and it's fine, I'm quite enjoying it. It'll never be the same experience as sitting in a real Escort Mk2, though. 

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19 minutes ago, richie said:

It'll never be the same experience as sitting in a real Escort Mk2, though. 

And this is the problem I have. I just can't drive in Sweden without getting annoyed by the fact that I actually know how those tires are suppose to work. And would like to have proper experience on this game. Like many people has problem with tarmac physics, I get more annoyed by the snow/ice physics.

+ One thing that I was thinking yesterday when trying to drive on Sweden. There is fresh snow on trees, snow banks have powder snow on top of them and then.... roads are covered with slush. Like ***.

Cause+my+autism+meter+says+you+belong+he

 

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20 minutes ago, Murikka said:

And this is the problem I have. I just can't drive in Sweden without getting annoyed by the fact that I actually know how those tires are suppose to work. And would like to have proper experience on this game. Like many people has problem with tarmac physics, I get more annoyed by the snow/ice physics.

+ One thing that I was thinking yesterday when trying to drive on Sweden. There is fresh snow on trees, snow banks have powder snow on top of them and then.... roads are covered with slush. Like ***.

Cause+my+autism+meter+says+you+belong+he

 

 

Complains over 2 pages about no grip at Sweden. Sets a top 3 time, cross platform. 

Alonso .jpg

:classic_tongue:

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3 minutes ago, richie said:

Complains over 2 pages about no grip at Sweden. Sets a top 3 time, cross platform. 

 

HAHAHA. :classic_laugh:

As I said, I kinda know how to drive that car as I have actually competed with mk1 Escort. I still have my opinon about the traction. 

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2 hours ago, Murikka said:

HAHAHA. :classic_laugh:

As I said, I kinda know how to drive that car as I have actually competed with mk1 Escort. I still have my opinon about the traction. 

Well, you can certainly adapt then. That's an important skill in rallying, isn't it? 😉

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57 minutes ago, danielofifi said:

Well, you can certainly adapt then. That's an important skill in rallying, isn't it? 😉

Sure it's important skill. But I'm not that good at it. I really like fast stages with flowing corners. Also gravel and snow/ice is my strong points irl as the grip is really predictable most of the time. This is why I like Poland and New England in game, but still as I have said it many times, Sweden was a huge let down. 

I keep watching this and hoping that maybe some day I can enjoy Sweden with little bit better grip.

 

Or maybe some day I restore my "rs 2000" Escort I bought few years ago and give it a go. :classic_laugh:

DSC-0891.jpg 

(yes it is former rally car, and no, it's not real RS2000)

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Ok so I had my first test on Sweden, after mounting the wheel for the first time ever since the LAN Party on April 20, and I must say: it drives so much better and it's so much closer to reality now. I just found odd the way the car rolls if you go too deep into the snowbanks, it's as if it loses some gravity and it rolls in slow motion. The lack of FFB as makes it feel a little bit weird, but then I got used to it.

A side from that, it felt really good and I still have a lot of work to do on that setup. A few pics.

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In general I'm pretty happy with the grip in Sweden but would certainly not call it perfect. It's a bit car dependant as well. In some of the RWD's I would like some more lateral grip, esp when you're off throttle. 

The M3 suffers from extreme snap oversteer on snow at a certain speed, something that I haven't managed to dial out with setup changes yet. The front vs rear grip on that car also make it a bit unpredictable on occasion.

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