Season 2

[gleylancer571 446]

13 minutes ago, SkyRex said:

So if a new F1 game comes out it should just cost 10 bucks, because all the circuits are recycled content from the last F1 game?

Also every time a sequel racing game features e.g. the Nürburgring again it should be free?

You can not compare the Formula 1 games with Dirt
In license games like Formula 1, it is intended that always the same content comes and desired by the players.
And why do you buy it over and over again?
Because you want to drive the current cars as a Formula 1 fan

[Shmeefly 125]

28 minutes ago, SkyRex said:

So if a new F1 game comes out it should just cost 10 bucks, because all the circuits are recycled content from the last F1 game?

Also every time a sequel racing game features e.g. the Nürburgring again it should be free?

 

11 hours ago, andmcq said:

Does anyone actually play the RX content?

Nope lol

[gleylancer571 446]

By the way, I'm a fan of NHL
I buy every year the new NHL game from EA
At full price? No way.
I wait until I get used cheap or until the original price has been reduced

[redriot77 91]

20 minutes ago, Shmeefly said:

I get it, but let’s not forget that most people payed full price for dirt rally 1 and dirt 4 when they came out, and most of 2.0s content is recycled content we’ve already payed for in the past, yes it’s remastered but if 70% of a game is remastered maybe they shouldn’t have charged £70 for it, what remaster do you know that charges full retail, traditionally with Dirt so far, we’ve always payed full price and got 6 original locations and this only still has 3, I know it sounds like an excuse to bash CM but it’s not, we did only get half of what is expected in terms of new original content and let’s not also forget how badly the game released in an unfinished and unpolished state, they’re still trying to fix it now, if we’re getting half the work I would at least expect us as a consumer to expect it to be finished properly with some nice new improvements and additions, but that’s not the case, the car list imo, when eventually all of the dlc is released is what I would expect the car list to be at launch, as most again are recycled, which is fine btw but you can’t realistically praise ‘copy n paste’ I see where your coming from however, it is a great game as they always do, but the state it was released isn't acceptable and praising those standards will only give them a free pass to repeat it in the future, I believe as the consumer we need to hold a certain standard, currently no real law in place to protect us from the corporate side of the industry so we must protect our own investments, by all means praise them, but if we don’t also speak up about the games negatives it will all be brushed under the carpet, personally I expected a lot more from this game, and I’m ok to be disappointed on a personal level, but the unmet standards are not forgiving, I won’t forget that so il be waiting to see the condition of the next title before I buy it, that’s not the type of relationship I want with my favourite franchise, that’s where I stand anyway

I think there are worse examples in "recycling" than Codies. For example I stopped buying the new versions of Forza Motorsport because 90% of the cars and the bigger part of the tracks are from the previous releases of the franchise.

 Putting together a car list for a rally game is a more limited task than a car list for a more open game like Forza Motorsport. There are a limited number of classic rally cars that you MUST have to include. Quattro, Delta Integrale, Escort RS Cosworth, a Lancer Evo and an Impreza, Stratos, Mini Cooper, etc. No matter what, if you decide to include classic rally cars into your game you can't miss those. Liceneses for new cars must be harder to get, so maybe they couldn't include all the modern cars the community requests. Anyway they are trying to get interesting car into the game: BMW M1, Citroen DS, Ascona 400, Datsun 240Z - and rumours about the Gruppe B 911SC coming. These are not to boring standard classic cars you'll get in every rally game. I could see more cars of course, especially from the late '90s early 2000s period but I can't say that the present car list is poor.

Compare this to Forza Motorsport! Those guys have a budget and a team maybe 100 times bigger than Codies. And they still cranking out games with content 80% recycled from previous iterations of the franchise. And what is important not only the license of a car is recycled, no, most of the times they re-use the 3D-model of the car, sometimes a 3D mesh dating back to Forza Motorsport 3 or 4! For example I like old muscle cars so I don't have problem that every Forza has the 1970 Impala SS 454, but my eyes hurt when looking at the hideous, wrong shaped , 10 year old 3D model even in their newest game. New cars in DLCs also choosen by business decisions and not based on community requests. Most DLCs for Forza Motorsport 7 included at least two pickup truck or off-road vehicle. Arctic expedition Toyota Landcruiser in a paid DLC for a game only with smooth asphalt locations!!! All this from a company with a budget bigger than some third world country.

So I think Codies are doingh a decent job considering the type of their game and ther financial possibilities.

About locations from DR1 in DR2.0 DLCs: Sweden and Monte Carlo has been improved in the remaster quite a lot and paired with the new driving physics the immersion and the feeling of those stages are on a new level compared to the originals. DR 2.0 DLC prices are really, really low, so I can't see them as a rip-off.

 

 

 

 

[Shmeefly 125]

@gleylancer571 you literally just proved my earlier point lol 👌

[Shmeefly 125]

@redriot77 well this is kind of my arguement, the point you just made for Forza is the same point myself and many others have stopped buying Gran Turismo, the same boring old cars, and they couldn’t even be bothered to update them etc: just more of the same, people don’t want to pay for that over and over unless it’s a seasonal game like F1, I don’t want Dirt to follow that same route all decent racing games seem to follow, but I’m tired of hearing about licensing as an excuse, I mean go buy Gravel, a low budget poor excuse of a racing game lol but that has some of the iconic rally cars in it that dirt has missed since DR1, if a low budget game can afford to license the RS SC and the Toyota Celica GT4, then CM can, yes they don’t hold the license for the official WRC, because another franchise does, and until CM improve Dirt the FIA probably won’t consider switching loyalties, they know Dirt is a better rally game but it lacks in areas, CM need to blow the official out the water and fight for that license, and bring over as many WRC players as possible to Dirt to help that, but going to a manufacturer for a car isn’t an issue for most so why’s it an apparent hurdle for CM, like I said, if a low budget game can get licensing then CM can definitely do the same

[teknoid85 444]

i find it funny how people always have to complain about something.....

 

if the dr1 stages where in dr2  at launch  people would say  :  i don't buy a game with stages from previous games!!!!

if stages  from dr1  are  as dlc  (3,50euro  at location 😂 )  people would say:  it's a shame, it should be in base game!!!!

 

i think codemasters did the right choices about this argument and shouldn't hear to  any compliants about this

[Shmeefly 125]

@teknoid85 well we’re all entitled to our opinion at the end of the day, and I’m not really complaining about the re used content, my issue is that with the re used content there’s not a fine balance of NEW, and if the majority is re used then the game should have been released in a polished state, at least... basically someone praised CM for doing a good job, I see it differently, I’ve praised them for what they’ve done well but criticised when it’s needed too, and I’m sorry but releasing ANY game unfinished isn’t acceptable in any way, the content issue is more of a debate than a complaint, the complaint is aimed at not enough original content, I was happy to hear we’d get all the DR1 locations back, I loved all of them, but, that said, I’ve played those locations for hours upon hours already so there should be a balance of old and new, would you not agree, I’m thankful for CM but I will highlight what I thinks wrong with the game, I’m not being disrespectful toward them I’m trying to be constructive and they can’t fix their faults if we don’t let them know what they are, that’s the beauty of having a forum to discuss ALL opinions, it’s not correct of anyone to dismiss someone else’s opinion because they don’t agree, I’m happy to debate anything, if you can explain why CM shouldn’t hear about any complaints then I’m happy to listen 

Into my techno too so at least we agree on something lol assuming that’s the reason behind your name 

[teknoid85 444]

2 minutes ago, Shmeefly said:

@teknoid85 well we’re all entitled to our opinion at the end of the day, and I’m not really complaining about the re used content, my issue is that with the re used content there’s not a fine balance of NEW, and if the majority is re used then the game should have been released in a polished state, at least... basically someone praised CM for doing a good job, I see it differently, I’ve praised them for what they’ve done well but criticised when it’s needed too, and I’m sorry but releasing ANY game unfinished isn’t acceptable in any way, the content issue is more of a debate than a complaint, the complaint is aimed at not enough original content, I was happy to hear we’d get all the DR1 locations back, I loved all of them, but, that said, I’ve played those locations for hours upon hours already so there should be a balance of old and new, would you not agree, I’m thankful for CM but I will highlight what I thinks wrong with the game, I’m not being disrespectful toward them I’m trying to be constructive and they can’t fix their faults if we don’t let them know what they are, that’s the beauty of having a forum to discuss ALL opinions, it’s not correct of anyone to dismiss someone else’s opinion because they don’t agree, I’m happy to debate anything, if you can explain why CM shouldn’t hear about any complaints then I’m happy to listen 

i think we will get all dr1 locations + new ones.   i was talking about the dlc complaint specifically,  never said  there should be no complaints at all

[Shmeefly 125]

Fair enough, I will admit I may jump the gun from time to time, that’s just passion lol, and I payed for the deluxe so I actually don’t know the price they set for the dlc, if it’s a low price then I can’t really complain but yea my main issue is the balance between what’s original and what isn’t

[gleylancer571 446]

Codemasters does not provide consistent performance in Rally games
From 2003 to 2015, there were only two good games Colin McRae 04 and Colin McRae Rally 2005
These two games had weather and night and snow rallies

Colin McRae Dirt (2007) had no rallies at night and no snow rally
Dirt 2 (2009) no service park and no snow rally
Dirt 3 (2009) no service park, no championship

Only Dirt Rally (2015) had weather, night and snow rallies and a service park or real rallies

[teknoid85 444]

3 minutes ago, Shmeefly said:

Fair enough, I will admit I may jump the gun from time to time, that’s just passion lol, and I payed for the deluxe so I actually don’t know the price they set for the dlc, if it’s a low price then I can’t really complain but yea my main issue is the balance between what’s original and what isn’t

personally  i found  montecarlo a whole new experience, and sweden even more.

and i hated sweden  in the first game 😄

[teknoid85 444]

1 minute ago, gleylancer571 said:

Codemasters does not provide consistent performance in Rally games
From 2003 to 2015, there were only two good games Colin McRae 04 and Colin McRae Rally 2005
These two games had weather and night and snow rallies

Colin McRae Dirt (2007) had no rallies at night and no snow rally
Dirt 2 (2009) no service park and no snow rally
Dirt 3 (2009) no service park, no championship

Only Dirt Rally (2015) had weather, night and snow rallies and a service park or real rallies

so, who does the good job at doing rally games????

[gleylancer571 446]

I hope there will be no Dirt 5 I want after Dirt Rally 2.0 again a real rally game and who does not like rally games they do not have to buy
Please Codemasters I implore you to please no Dirt 5

[Shmeefly 125]

For me I loved Sweden, was my favourite locale, it’s cool in this too but it feels like they’ve widened the track, I preferred it when it felt more narrow, more technical, but Monte Carlo now is a struggle for me, was before but the added constant surface changes between asphalt and ice throw me right off lol it’s good though, just haven’t been bothered to learn it, as I don’t play career, at least until it’s fixed 

[gleylancer571 446]

18 minutes ago, teknoid85 said:

so, who does the good job at doing rally games???? 

 

The good job is Codemasters the point is that they do not manage to publish two good ones in a row

Yes, Codemasters has done a great job with DR and DR 2.0 without any doubt, but I wish them to do so with every rally game

[Shmeefly 125]

@gleylancer571 I have to really disagree here, they do make the best rally games without a shadow of a doubt, in DR1 and 2.0 I mean, the older games were more of an arcade game, which for its time felt pretty good though it has to be said, issues aren’t lacking but that’s why we’re here, to help them improve not want them to stop!! 

If you mean no Dirt 5 but yes to DR3 then I’m in agreement lol but no to another Dirt game is insane to me 😅

[gleylancer571 446]

For his time felt I like Colin McRae Rally 2005 but even better than Dirt 2 and 3 taken togehter

Yes, Codemasters has done a great job with DR and DR 2.0 without any doubt, but I wish them to do so with every rally game

 

[ianism 1,316]

3 hours ago, gleylancer571 said:

For his time felt I like Colin McRae Rally 2005 but even better than Dirt 2 and 3 taken togehter

nah. just because something is arcadey doesn't make it worse.

[Riggs 1,668]

I also don't care about a potential DiRT5. I will not buy it, as my real interest lays around the DiRT Rally franchise.

If it's to lose money, don't do it lol. In my honest opinion, I think DR2.0 has an enough strong platform to serve our needs for the years to come, until a DR3 makes sense in both financial and technology terms. Until then, I'd keep relying on DR2.0, fixing the bugs until there's none, and keep rolling out content as long as it pays off, no matter at which rate. This is a gold mine if well maintained.

[gleylancer571 446]

Codemasters has been trying to make a rally game with Dirt 2 and Dirt 3 that is intresting even for those who are not interested in rallying and out of fear a pure rally game would not sell well enough but maybe that was just the opposite
But Codemasters scored its first ever win in five years in 2016 and one of the reasons was F1 and Dirt Rally

https://mcvuk.com/codemasters-back-on-track-after-posting-first-profit-in-five-years/

 

 

 

[RodgerDavies 933]

If we're wishlisting for Season 2, then I have my fingers crossed for:

- Finland

- Porsche SC RS

- Lancia 037

 

I guess the rest would be RX content, but anything else that's rally focused would be an added bonus.

[Shmeefly 125]

8 minutes ago, RodgerDavies said:

If we're wishlisting for Season 2, then I have my fingers crossed for:

- Finland

- Porsche SC RS

- Lancia 037

 

I guess the rest would be RX content, but anything else that's rally focused would be an added bonus.

Not even sure why they’re doing RX content, other than its official so finishing the callendar is probably their aim, but the majority want the rally and they really should consider a season 3 of rally only content,

A to feed what the masses actually want

B to make a worthy apology for the broken mess we’ve had to deal with so far

C to finish with a substantial omount of original content

im ok with just season 2 as long as DR3 is on point, and I mean polished, really polished... and a decent amount of content at launch, like DR2.0 car list at the end of season 2, that amount at launch and 6 original locations like we’re used to, for dlc they could give us more cars and a return for Pikes Peak, with more than just 3 vehicles etc

[RodgerDavies 933]

@Shmeefly

a) they've likely agreed on it up front and whatever you and I may prefer, some prefer/like RX. If 2 'Seasons' of content produce a 3:1 ratio of rally:Rx content, I'd say that's fair.

b) I refute the game has been a broken mess, certainly not compared to many other titles I've played close to their launch. I'd argue it's a few steps away from a masterpiece.

c) Whatever we want, it's fair to acknowledge the amount of work a brand new rally location will take. We're talking 20-30km of stage, so if you think of how long it took the likes of iRacing and rFactor to develop a releasable version of the Nordschleife, that's the amount of work we're dealing with. I hope we see one original rally location in a Season 2, 3 or even 4, but, although asking for more than that is fair, I'd suggest expecting it is not.

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By the way, PD have an exclusive contract with Pike's Peak for GT, so we won't see that come back. Personally, I'm very happy about that (unless they were to use it for rally stages) as the game already has one mode more than I wish it did personally, so I'd rather not see that diluted further.

[Shmeefly 125]

@RodgerDaviesThat’s a fair reply, though I don’t believe it would dilute anything as adding more options is a bonus and it’s down to a players personal choice what they decide they spend their time playing but that’s me and each to their own I guess 👍

Im fully aware of what it takes to make a 30 km stage but I just see it as we’ve got 6 original locations with every release and with this only 3, yes there’s a bunch of remastered content but that to me is dlc based and base is missing some “work” lol 

the thing I have to disagree with is the polished state of the game, maybe you have different standards than I do, or just don’t see a lot of it or mind, but the game is a mess, it works sure and most of its core elements are fine but there’s so much that needs to be fixed or tweaked, there’s pages upon pages of feedback detailing a ton of issues, some of which I don’t mind but a lot I do, wel just have to agree to disagree here which is fine, I agree it has the potential to be a masterpiece but it’s far from it imo, also yes there are much worse game releases, I have a broad horizon of games I play so I know all too well, F76 to name one lol but just because it’s not on par with how bad some releases are, it still doesn’t excuse it