New ffb impressions

[Evo8uk 128]

Initial impressions seem very positive for me, lots more road feel although I have turned suspension up to 150 (using thrustmaster tx) it’s nice you can actually tell the difference between road surfaces through the wheel 👍

[Decks 342]

Cool. Won't be able to try it for a while so keep the impressions coming. Can you feel the tires struggling for traction? 

[nasoduko 119]

seriously do you feel something in spain ?

[Sith Metal 214]

try it on RX, wow

really impressed, been on for last few hours trying the daily events, manual with clutch is decent, i also find i am alot faster than with the pad.

Just need to buy the Thrustmaster handbrake to go with my TX wheel.

[FLAW3D 477]

6 minutes ago, watzcoc said:

try it on RX, wow

really impressed, been on for last few hours trying the daily events, manual with clutch is decent, i also find i am alot faster than with the pad.

Just need to buy the Thrustmaster handbrake to go with my TX wheel.

RX feels better than Rally FFB wise? 

[Decks 342]

People on reddit seem very happy with it. Link to a useful pdf on there too

https://www.reddit.com/r/dirtgame/comments/bpalrh/dirt_rally_20_road_book_160519_ffb_update/

[chukonu 476]

The new suspension effects are pretty subtle but you can feel it immediatly driving over a kerb in RX, over grass in rally or the entirety of Argentina.

@Decks
Doesn't feel like tyre struggling for traction from what I could tell. They did say more is to come for FFB. Mainly you just feel the suspension.

[nasoduko 119]

who feels something in spain ,why is everyone talking about australia ,spain was the problem ,you got to be kidding me that you with the tx feel more than my tspc ?

 

[chukonu 476]

In Spain you don't feel the surface because it is flat, what do you expect to feel from the suspension there? You feel your suspension under load when you cut through grass or speeding through the fast sections.

Hopefully they'll address tyre slip next so you'll be able to enjoy Spain more.

[Martín Cleppe 161]

It is definitely a great improvement, but the feeling of traction of the tires is missing, in other words, it is definitely necessary to enable the "tyre slip" for the steering wheels (currently it is only enabled for joystics)
It leaves us hope open, since they are still working on that. I think that would be the next step

 

[nasoduko 119]

44 minutes ago, chukonu said:

In Spain you don't feel the surface because it is flat, what do you expect to feel from the suspension there? You feel your suspension under load when you cut through grass or speeding through the fast sections.

Hopefully they'll address tyre slip next so you'll be able to enjoy Spain more.

you mean the surface they have create ,cause if you tell me that nothing comes in tarmac from the suspension in the reality ,i think you are living on an imaginary world ,and on a country the foreign roads are like highways 

[FLAW3D 477]

54 minutes ago, chukonu said:

In Spain you don't feel the surface because it is flat, what do you expect to feel from the suspension there? You feel your suspension under load when you cut through grass or speeding through the fast sections.

Hopefully they'll address tyre slip next so you'll be able to enjoy Spain more.

Unless its the smoothest road on the planet we should be feeling some vibration through the wheel. If we still have nothing it suggests not alot has been fixed id rather feel the road rather than the grass if we cut through.

Tarmac & Codies just dont seem to get on.

[ianism 1,316]

12 minutes ago, FLAW3D said:

Tarmac & Codies just dont seem to get on.

to be fair, the game is literally called Dirt lmao

[Riggs 1,668]

You don't feel vibrations on smooth tarmac. Don't know where you got that from.

I drive a sports car, so the suspension is pretty stiff and I get good feedback off the wheel, and on smooth tarmac there's no vibrations if you drive clean. If you start sliding around burning rubber that's another thing, but the vibrations are barely noticeable.

What you do feel, is the wheel trying to counter you, in which case that's Self Aligning Torque / Center Force Feedback.

We might be missing Tyre Slip, but as Christina said, this isn't the end.

[danielofifi 451]

Yeah, just compare it to Project Cars 2, which is considered to have a very good ffb. Smooth road = no vibrations.

[FLAW3D 477]

50 minutes ago, Riggs said:

You don't feel vibrations on smooth tarmac. Don't know where you got that from.

I drive a sports car, so the suspension is pretty stiff and I get good feedback off the wheel, and on smooth tarmac there's no vibrations if you drive clean. If you start sliding around burning rubber that's another thing, but the vibrations are barely noticeable.

What you do feel, is the wheel trying to counter you, in which case that's Self Aligning Torque / Center Force Feedback.

I get plenty of vibrations on tarmac roads in my 1 year old Cooper S, my Previous cars Focus ST and Fiesta ST again provided tons of feels on tarmac roads more so than the Mini and i know as 99.99% of my driving is on tarmac. 

If you dont feel anything at all when driving on tarmac in your sports car chances are its been dialled out. Alot of "Drivers" cars like the STs while having electric steering thus taking alot of feedback away but it is actually dialled back in and you would think Rally/Racing drivers want all the feeling they can get. I very much doubt anyone of them ask for a totally dead wheel with no feeling coming through.

The past few weeks i have been monitoring my own wheel very closely in the Cooper S and as i say plenty of feeling comes from the wheel on tarmac. Even going over slighlty rough motorway surface will provide tons of feeling. 

[FLAW3D 477]

5 minutes ago, danielofifi said:

Yeah, just compare it to Project Cars 2, which is considered to have a very good ffb. Smooth road = no vibrations.

I have hammered PCARS 1 & 2 the most this gen and the game has tons of feedback on tarmac. Same with AC which is considered to have the best FFB in the sim community.

[chukonu 476]

Maybe you should try the game first and see what you think, that's what the thread was for anyway.

[Riggs 1,668]

My car is from 2001, so those electriconic gadgets aren't present. Theres no vibrations on smooth tarmac, nor does it make sense to have. If you are having vibrations on smooth tarmac then you should check your steering and wheels.

Rough asphalt/motorway =/= smooth tarmac.

[Decks 342]

Yeah maybe try the update before complaining about it? 

[GregPit81 63]

I tested a test of each country with the new ffb. (Impreza WRC) 
They modified only the suspension springs, as well as the vibrations, or less according to the type of surface, the edges of road, the grids.
In Sweden on a slight vibration, which hangs, and which is totally snow-covered from the Monte, no vibration on the frozen parts and on asphalt likewise for the Spanish asphalt.
In all countries except New England, the roadsides are well felt.
Australia is where there is a bigger surface effect, so I adjusted the value of the suspensions to this country.
So actually no vibration compared to the engine or vibration braking but once this value of suspension well adjusted, it's rather pleasant, it lives a little more

[lilfurbal 77]

46 minutes ago, FLAW3D said:

I have hammered PCARS 1 & 2 the most this gen and the game has tons of feedback on tarmac. Same with AC which is considered to have the best FFB in the sim community.

 

Project Cars 2 seems to have feedback with certain cars and on certain tracks.  It pretty inconsistent, the Indycar at Indianapolis felt like driving on clouds.  So smooth.  

Recently jumped into Assetto Corsa Competizione and I really like the FFB there, there's not a lot to customize with it that I have thus far seen but there is a slider specifically for 'road noise' which has a default setting of 0 but if you turn it up a bit actually does feel like a very realistic paved road, like what I feel from my actual car on the normal roads. 

But yeah, actual tarmac does feel like something through the wheel, Assetto Corsa nailed it.  Project Cars sort of nailed it if you pick the right things.  Dirt Rally 2 doesn't bother.

 

 

 

[FLAW3D 477]

51 minutes ago, Riggs said:

My car is from 2001, so those electriconic gadgets aren't present. Theres no vibrations on smooth tarmac, nor does it make sense to have. If you are having vibrations on smooth tarmac then you should check your steering and wheels.

Rough asphalt/motorway =/= smooth tarmac.

Some cars are devoid of feel through the wheel like your car but your using your cars lack of feel as gospel when loads of folk are telling you cars they drive have feedback through their wheels on tarmac. 

 

[FLAW3D 477]

22 minutes ago, lilfurbal said:

 

Project Cars 2 seems to have feedback with certain cars and on certain tracks.  It pretty inconsistent, the Indycar at Indianapolis felt like driving on clouds.  So smooth.  

Recently jumped into Assetto Corsa Competizione and I really like the FFB there, there's not a lot to customize with it that I have thus far seen but there is a slider specifically for 'road noise' which has a default setting of 0 but if you turn it up a bit actually does feel like a very realistic paved road, like what I feel from my actual car on the normal roads. 

But yeah, actual tarmac does feel like something through the wheel, Assetto Corsa nailed it.  Project Cars sort of nailed it if you pick the right things.  Dirt Rally 2 doesn't bother.

 

 

 

Yeah the laser scanned tracks in PCARS 2 feel sublime, With over 50 tracks in the game they cannot get them all the same level especially as it's impossible to laserscan them all and get the game out in time. 

Is it time Codies left tarmac out of DIRT? If they are still struggling after all these years they should actually just play to their strengths. 

[tbtstt 2,387]

46 minutes ago, FLAW3D said:

Is it time Codies left tarmac out of DIRT? If they are still struggling after all these years they should actually just play to their strengths. 

Tarmac is a big part of rally, so I would personally rather see them persevere with it.