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[ianism 1,317]

1 hour ago, Tranzitive said:

yes they were procedurally-generated stages but look at the videos for Spain and Aus in particular, a lot of sections are identical to what we have in the current game. this is not entirely bad as it actually shows they did a good job of doing procedural generation using sections from real-life tracks with Dirt 4. but it doesn't change the fact they've basically re-used the same stages and locations for DR2.0.

watching those videos now i think they did a great job with 'New England' in the current game as there are a lot more roadside assets and the general 'atmosphere' (for want of a better word) of the location is much much better in the current game compared to Dirt 4. but again, it's the same location and the general look is the same. it's basically 'Michigan remastered'.

don't get me wrong, remastered stages are good up to a point but i think with only 30% of the locations being brand new they're kind of pushing it a bit. 

ya, Australia and Spain look the same, and a lot of the assets are the same, but the actual roads and turns are different. the only one that is the same is the hairpin halfway through the 14km stage in Spain. I played Dirt 4 a ton, by the way, so I actually know what I'm talking about. I didn't just watch a couple of videos on YouTube.

in addition, calling New England basically a remaster of Michigan is ridiculous, considering how different they are, and how good the remasters of Monte Carlo, Germany and Sweden are, and how the WRC series basically does that with every damn game, adding or taking away only a location or two with each release!

[Riggs 1,669]

9 hours ago, ianism said:

ya, but what do you do for the community events, which swallow a huge portion of players' time? 

do they only use the "old" roads? or do they include the new ones too? I don't think it's as easy as with a different location.

That's easy. Currently there's D+ events, that reward more money and are sponsored, which are only available to Deluxe Edition players. These would include the new tracks as well, while the normal community events would still be open for everyone.

[Tranzitive 309]

15 hours ago, ianism said:

ya, Australia and Spain look the same, and a lot of the assets are the same, but the actual roads and turns are different. the only one that is the same is the hairpin halfway through the 14km stage in Spain. I played Dirt 4 a ton, by the way, so I actually know what I'm talking about. I didn't just watch a couple of videos on YouTube.

in addition, calling New England basically a remaster of Michigan is ridiculous, considering how different they are, and how good the remasters of Monte Carlo, Germany and Sweden are, and how the WRC series basically does that with every damn game, adding or taking away only a location or two with each release!

i also played Dirt 4 a ton.

look mate you can defend it all you want but USA, Aus, and Spain are the exact same locations that were in the last game.

if CM added one new route to, for example, Australia, chopped it up into 6 different stages, reversed them to give 12 stages total, would you call that an entirely new location? of course not. but that's basically what you're doing here. 

go and watch the video of Spain again, the section at the start is almost identical to one section in DR2.0. and at 2:10 in the video, that exact same section is in DR2.0 as well. could pick out other examples too if i wanted.

and in Aus you can see in Dirt 4 they had the open sections next to farms, there's also the forested sections with the wall/cliff on one side and the drop off on the other. the section in the video i posted from 00:20 - 00:25 - as just one example - is the exact same section from one of the stages in DR2.0.

these are not new locations at all. neither is USA. like i said previously, remastered content is fine up to a point but if they continue to do more seasons i think they really need to include some entirely new content, like they did in the base game with Argentina, Poland, and New Zealand.

 

[Riggs 1,669]

The thing is, it's a totally different assembled route. And if we are to ask for new stages for the existing rallies, of course those will have to be paid as well so that logic doesn't really work. Assembling a stage takes quite a bit of time and people need to eat.

[Opassac 186]

2 hours ago, Tranzitive said:

i also played Dirt 4 a ton.

look mate you can defend it all you want but USA, Aus, and Spain are the exact same locations that were in the last game.

if CM added one new route to, for example, Australia, chopped it up into 6 different stages, reversed them to give 12 stages total, would you call that an entirely new location? of course not. but that's basically what you're doing here. 

go and watch the video of Spain again, the section at the start is almost identical to one section in DR2.0. and at 2:10 in the video, that exact same section is in DR2.0 as well. could pick out other examples too if i wanted.

and in Aus you can see in Dirt 4 they had the open sections next to farms, there's also the forested sections with the wall/cliff on one side and the drop off on the other. the section in the video i posted from 00:20 - 00:25 - as just one example - is the exact same section from one of the stages in DR2.0.

these are not new locations at all. neither is USA. like i said previously, remastered content is fine up to a point but if they continue to do more seasons i think they really need to include some entirely new content, like they did in the base game with Argentina, Poland, and New Zealand.

 

But what's the problem of having the same locations if the stages are different? I wouldn't mind having just 3 or 4 locations if they had 20 plus different long stages each, with different road and weather conditions... I like to have different SS, and i'm not particulary focused on the name of the country they are being driven on, nor if the surroundings of the tracks are being reusable (or small portions of the roads)...

[RodgerDavies 949]

@Tranzitive

the Dirt 4 ‘tiles’ were based on parts of real life stages, so I’m happy that in DR2 we get the actual stages they’re based on. For example, the Spanish ones are based on La Figuera real life stage, hence the same layout for the iconic El Molar hairpin in both.

 

If it’s a little easier for them seeing as they’ve made some of the assets already, so what? At least we get to play the actual stages this time. I don’t see why I would want them to find a less iconic stage to include just because their tile system from the previous game had some similar elements to the real one.

[Riggs 1,669]

Bring in Viladrau stage 🙂

[ianism 1,317]

On 7/14/2019 at 7:42 AM, Tranzitive said:

i also played Dirt 4 a ton.

look mate you can defend it all you want but USA, Aus, and Spain are the exact same locations that were in the last game.

if CM added one new route to, for example, Australia, chopped it up into 6 different stages, reversed them to give 12 stages total, would you call that an entirely new location? of course not. but that's basically what you're doing here. 

go and watch the video of Spain again, the section at the start is almost identical to one section in DR2.0. and at 2:10 in the video, that exact same section is in DR2.0 as well. could pick out other examples too if i wanted.

and in Aus you can see in Dirt 4 they had the open sections next to farms, there's also the forested sections with the wall/cliff on one side and the drop off on the other. the section in the video i posted from 00:20 - 00:25 - as just one example - is the exact same section from one of the stages in DR2.0.

these are not new locations at all. neither is USA. like i said previously, remastered content is fine up to a point but if they continue to do more seasons i think they really need to include some entirely new content, like they did in the base game with Argentina, Poland, and New Zealand.

On 7/13/2019 at 11:21 AM, Tranzitive said:

 

ok so I watched the videos

Spain: the section at the start: the turns look kind of similar-ish if you squint, and if you ignore that there are barriers now and the environment looks all different. the bit at 2.10 i don't recognize at all. there are no sections between cliffs for that long in DR2, and neither are there any hairpins like that. actually, there's exactly one turn that's called as a hairpin in the Spanish stages in DR2 - it's the acute one halfway down the 14km stage - and it's in D4, but the turns it's attached to are different.

Australia: of course it's the same open sections and wooded bits with a drop on one side. it's based on the same real-world location. the actual turns aren't the same, that's my point.

so, nice try.

I'm done here.

[bluwaters 37]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but something I would love to see return to the series is staggered starts in the events.  Don't remember which Dirt had it 3 or 4 but it was a great addition to the game.

[ianism 1,317]

18 minutes ago, bluwaters said:

Not sure if it was mentioned, but something I would love to see return to the series is staggered starts in the events.  Don't remember which Dirt had it 3 or 4 but it was a great addition to the game.

like, in multiplayer you mean?

if yes, I'd like simultaneous starts on every stage, but everyone is ghosted, like in trackmania. that was quite fun in D3. never played online in D4...

[Riggs 1,669]

The devs said it wasnt possible in this engine anymore. We could have staggered starts in the lobbies though. You'd only see people depart in the progress bar but that would work for spectating purposes in the eSports.

[bluwaters 37]

19 minutes ago, Riggs said:

The devs said it wasnt possible in this engine anymore. We could have staggered starts in the lobbies though. You'd only see people depart in the progress bar but that would work for spectating purposes in the eSports.

Yeah that sucks it isn't possible.  But in public lobbies would be awesome still to see.

25 minutes ago, ianism said:

like, in multiplayer you mean?

if yes, I'd like simultaneous starts on every stage, but everyone is ghosted, like in trackmania. that was quite fun in D3. never played online in D4...

Yes i meant in Multiplayer like they did in the past (Dirt 3 or 4)   Ghosting sucks!!!

[Riggs 1,669]

DiRT 4 didnt have staggered starts btw. It was the same multiplayer mechanism we currently have in DR2 lobbies.

[Dealer92 9]

Rally Finland! Please announce it together with Greece! Also some new cars and we're all good and you guys can move on to design DR 3. 😀

[tjetfiat 50]

On 7/17/2019 at 2:18 PM, Dealer92 said:

Rally Finland! Please announce it together with Greece! Also some new cars and we're all good and you guys can move on to design DR 3. 😀

Yes. And kit car please(Peugeot 306 maxi). 

[ianism 1,317]

18 hours ago, tjetfiat said:

Yes. And kit car please(Peugeot 306 maxi). 

Christina hinted heavily that kit cars would be coming, so I'm pretty damn confident we'll get at least 2: that 306, and the Almera, as in March someone made a FB post saying their Nissan F2 was going to be in game 🙂

Finland and Greece as well. why would you not remaster them if they're available and people are willing to pay you money for them?

[tjetfiat 50]

4 hours ago, ianism said:

Christina hinted heavily that kit cars would be coming, so I'm pretty damn confident we'll get at least 2: that 306, and the Almera, as in March someone made a FB post saying their Nissan F2 was going to be in game 🙂

Finland and Greece as well. why would you not remaster them if they're available and people are willing to pay you money for them?

I hope that we will have kitcars and why not, and other cars. For the stages now i think that they will not put new stages so it's good to put Finland and Greece from the DR1. 

[GottaEvil 19]

More content...for the original Dirt Rally.

[VaeliusNoctu 10]

I do not think we will see more seasons. The problem is the disaster with Dirt 4 and immediately afterwards with Dirt Rally 2. That was really bad for Codemasters to put two titles in the sand.

They work on Dirt Rally 2 and it's not that bad, but there are still many construction sites.

Let's see how it is, with the current team Codemasters stays better with proven. They have always been good at arcade titles and they seem to be aiming for that with the new grid. If it's going to be okay, maybe they will save their reputation.

Then I hope they stay with what they really can, or bring back the old Dirt 1 team. But better is probably they leave it at arcade games. I always liked to play them.

[Czar90 25]

Why stop at seasons?

...firstly, CM have a beautiful engine in graphics and physics. Why don't take the SCS Truck simulators route and build upon the current game to...let's say: "infinity"?

The tarmac handling is bogged down by the AI modeling, or they would be negatively affected by a change in that area, hence is not about the engine itself.
There are work around like developing an exclusive AI for tarmac or an all new AI with money from future "expansions", whatever these guys at CM find fit. (I am no programmer or dev)

Let's be honest. No one really wants a DiRT Rally 3/3.0. There is no FIA requiring a new game every year like F1 20XX titles, so why don't enrich the current DR2.0 instead?

Make expansions and I will happily buy it, day zero.
It will mean, design refinement on overall game, possible meaningful upgrades and most importantly retention of content, which was lackluster at release but enriched with the subsequent seasons.

If there are no licenses expiring, which is a major pain in the #ss for everyone. I'd say: go for it.

[ianism 1,317]

18 hours ago, VaeliusNoctu said:

I do not think we will see more seasons. The problem is the disaster with Dirt 4 and immediately afterwards with Dirt Rally 2. That was really bad for Codemasters to put two titles in the sand.

this is almost definitely wrong. there are so many indications that they've planned 4 seasons of content I don't really understand why people think otherwise.

18 hours ago, VaeliusNoctu said:

Then I hope they stay with what they really can, or bring back the old Dirt 1 team. But better is probably they leave it at arcade games. I always liked to play them.

why do you assume it is such a big company that they have two different teams that work on their rally games? they only put Dirt games out every 2-3 years. it's not Forza (or NFS in the past)

[VaeliusNoctu 10]

Quite simply because I read in the forum here or in Steam Forum that Dirt Rally 2 was not made by the Dirt Rally 1 team. Which does not surprise me. At all corners and ends you can see Dirt Rally 2 is more of a Dirt 4 successor than a Dirt Rally 1 successor.

But it makes no difference who did it, the same or another team. It does not reach the quality of its predecessor. Neither Dirt 4 the quality of Dirt 2 and 3 nor Dirt Rally 2 of Dirt Rally 1.

[Riggs 1,669]

On 7/22/2019 at 8:08 PM, VaeliusNoctu said:

Quite simply because I read in the forum here or in Steam Forum that Dirt Rally 2 was not made by the Dirt Rally 1 team. Which does not surprise me. At all corners and ends you can see Dirt Rally 2 is more of a Dirt 4 successor than a Dirt Rally 1 successor.

But it makes no difference who did it, the same or another team. It does not reach the quality of its predecessor. Neither Dirt 4 the quality of Dirt 2 and 3 nor Dirt Rally 2 of Dirt Rally 1.

Most of the team is actually the same. Paul Coleman might not have taken part a lot in it, but he sure had his finger in DR2 plans. Also, Ross Gowing, the current Senior Game Designer responsible for this game, worked in DR1 as well.

Don't forget Paul Coleman was the game designer behind DiRT4, among other people who worked in DR1. DR2 is a direct sequel to DR1, not just in branding but also in gameplay and core. You might say it looks like a D4 successor due to the engine updates (graphics, lighting and other stuff), but they simply took what D4 had best, it wasn't all bad.

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and more stage on location exemple : Monte carlo with stage "Saint bonnet le froid" -> 25km 

 

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