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DLC Cars:

Audi Quattro A2 1983 and 1984 world champion. Everybody loves that car, I would put it in a H3 class with the M3, ascona etc. I know it’s 4wheel car but it was and can be super difficult to drive because it was under steering as hell and had a turbolag like Loch Ness. Besides on tarmac it was slower then the 2wd cars.

Toyota celica Group B rwd. Won a safari rally i think. It just belongs to the side of Manta 400, Lancia 037, M1 etc.

Toyota celica gt four group A.

Regrouping the cars in classes:

Lancia stratos belongs in a group with 131 abartig, escort mk2, Kadett etc, the realistic picture is that stratos was even with them not competitive any more but this icon belongs in their class.

Same as above the Datsun 240Z, I mean come on, the car was built in 1973 and now we race it again 1988’ Bmw and sierra cosworth.

The Opel “problem”

we have currently 3 Opels in a historic section, Kadett, Ascona, and Manta.

The Problem in my opinion that the less successful car is the best in the game at his class, the Kadett, i love the car, it’s fun to drive, the sound etc, but this car was in fact a mess, Walter Röhrl hated this car because if wasn’t broken after few stages it was unbalanced as hell, but it’s a game and I am fine with it, ascona was 1982 world rally champion with Röhrl, it has beaten the allmighty Quattros, ingame it’s a shell of itself, no chance against the Bmw etc. I think it’s unfair. And the Manta, iconic car specially in the British championship the Car to drive. (With the Manta me personally have no issues with performance, the problem is the current AI that is imo broken, it can not be that the Ai times are 10-15 seconds faster then the players world records.)

Renault 5 Turbo was a Group b rwd car. It belongs their.

Dlc suggestion for skoda 1300RS. The car looks fantastic.

 

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9 hours ago, iwoban said:

Regrouping the cars in classes:

Lancia stratos belongs in a group with 131 abartig, escort mk2, Kadett etc, the realistic picture is that stratos was even with them not competitive any more but this icon belongs in their class.

Same as above the Datsun 240Z, I mean come on, the car was built in 1973 and now we race it again 1988’ Bmw and sierra cosworth.

The Opel “problem”

we have currently 3 Opels in a historic section, Kadett, Ascona, and Manta.

The Problem in my opinion that the less successful car is the best in the game at his class, the Kadett, i love the car, it’s fun to drive, the sound etc, but this car was in fact a mess, Walter Röhrl hated this car because if wasn’t broken after few stages it was unbalanced as hell, but it’s a game and I am fine with it, ascona was 1982 world rally champion with Röhrl, it has beaten the allmighty Quattros, ingame it’s a shell of itself, no chance against the Bmw etc. I think it’s unfair. And the Manta, iconic car specially in the British championship the Car to drive. (With the Manta me personally have no issues with performance, the problem is the current AI that is imo broken, it can not be that the Ai times are 10-15 seconds faster then the players world records.)

Renault 5 Turbo was a Group b rwd car. It belongs their.

I have been talking about regrouping the cars since the first DiRT Rally, but people got me for crazy, thank you for, somehow, supporting me...

As for the Opels, it is true Opel's Group 2 Kadett was a mess, but I think the Kadett in the DiRT games is a Conrero, and these were way better than the original cars (they even came with fuel injection rather than carburettors, and were capable of putting Group 4 cars in a hurry). As for the Ascona, I don't know what happened here, but I think it's the Group 4 car (and maybe a Conrero car too), rather than the 1982 Group B version. It hardly can compete against a fully evolutioned M3 Group A.

Finally, the R5 Turbo, I'm sorry to disagree here but the car in the DiRT series is a Group 4. Now I have some doubts about which was the first R5 Turbo Group B, but it was the Cevennes (a modified Turbo 2), or the Tour de Corse, which came in 1983, with a shorter chassis and improvements to the engine (it was also only sold for racing, so I think this was the first trully Group B from Renault).

Another thing we should note, is that the dates in-game are wrong. For example, the Renault 5 Turbo is presented as a 1985 car, but it is in reallity a 1979 or 1980-81 car (it is difficult to tell, just by the looks of it, if it is a Turbo or Turbo 2, while 1983's Tour de Corse is easily spotted by its front turn signals, and 1985's Maxi Turbo is wider and have a completeley different front), but nonetheless it is a Group 4 car. Nor the Ascona 400 is a 1984 car, why should it, if Opel homologated the Group B Manta 400 in 1983?

I don't want to sound like one of those who know-it-all, I may be wrong about many things, but when it comes to rally I try and do a deep research. I have been thinking for some time about writting a post about these things, maybe I should do it some day...

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Anyway there is a makeover needed. Stratos and Datsun should be with with the Kadett, escort, 131, alpine.

I love the Kadett, for my playing style it’s the perfect balance between escort and 131. The ascona just needs to be better.

The Renault thing I thought it’s meant to be a turbo 2 Maxi version.

I hope also that the Toyota’s will find their way into Dirt rally 2.0, these cars were present through the whole 80’ and 90’ in the rally scene.

And of course the Quattro A2. 

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Unfortunately there won't be any Toyotas in the game, Toyota won't give them the licence.

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20 minutes ago, SkiddyMcCrash said:

Unfortunately there won't be any Toyotas in the game, Toyota won't give them the licence.

This entire license thing is a bit of a myth to me, especially for the retro and historic content, for the cars and the original liveries, I mean shouldn’t they be pleased that their history is represented in games !? Is it about money... if Codemasters does not have the license for the actual wrc cars (they don’t have the actual class anyway) I understand that because the other game that nobody wants to play has them. But historic.....

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I agree with the question that the groupings must be reviewed. they must be modified regardless of the difference in traction, be it 4wd, fwd, rwd, you need to set up groupings based on the actual ones.

Historic cars group:

 

• 1st Grouping, periods E / F / G1, Gr. 1, 2, 3, 4 Displacement> 2000 cc

• 2nd Grouping, periods G2 / H1, Gr. 1, 2, 3, 4 Displacement> 2000 cc

• 3rd Grouping, periods H2 / I, Gr. 1, 2, 3, 4 Displacement> 2000 cc

• 4th Grouping, period J1, Group N, A Displacement> 2000 cc., Group B Displacement> 1600 cc

• Category J2 (1986-1990), Gr. N / A Displacement> 2000 cc, Gr. B (all)

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4 hours ago, ale81udine said:

 

I agree with the question that the groupings must be reviewed. they must be modified regardless of the difference in traction, be it 4wd, fwd, rwd, you need to set up groupings based on the actual ones.

Historic cars group:

 

• 1st Grouping, periods E / F / G1, Gr. 1, 2, 3, 4 Displacement> 2000 cc

• 2nd Grouping, periods G2 / H1, Gr. 1, 2, 3, 4 Displacement> 2000 cc

• 3rd Grouping, periods H2 / I, Gr. 1, 2, 3, 4 Displacement> 2000 cc

• 4th Grouping, period J1, Group N, A Displacement> 2000 cc., Group B Displacement> 1600 cc

• Category J2 (1986-1990), Gr. N / A Displacement> 2000 cc, Gr. B (all)

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7 hours ago, iwoban said:

Anyway there is a makeover needed. Stratos and Datsun should be with with the Kadett, escort, 131, alpine.

I love the Kadett, for my playing style it’s the perfect balance between escort and 131. The ascona just needs to be better.

The Renault thing I thought it’s meant to be a turbo 2 Maxi version.

I hope also that the Toyota’s will find their way into Dirt rally 2.0, these cars were present through the whole 80’ and 90’ in the rally scene.

And of course the Quattro A2. 

Completely agree with you guys! I have been talking about it in some posts around the forum, but people thought I was crazy...

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