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Apologies if this has been covered in a prior thread, but I simply can not get anywhere with the RWD cars using the Xbox controller (I set acceleration to one of the face buttons). I've tried biasing the brakes to the front, and fiddling with the other tuning settings, to no avail. Also tried reducing throttle saturation down to 50, and am still utterly hopeless. I struggle to even finish a stage. Cars are just so wildly out of control most of the time.

Any help greatly appreciated.

 

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You gotta have acceleration and brakes on the triggers so that you can feather them. 

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I feared that was the case. May have to go automatic as triggers have been for up and downshifts for me 

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Is there a specific reason you have your buttons set as they are other than for preference? Personally I find it extremely difficult to have anything more than the brakes (LT) and steering (LS) on the left of the controller due to a lack of dexterity. Because of this I have my gears mapped to the A (up) and X (down) buttons where I can easily rock my thumb back and forth over them. But without doubt you should have the throttle mapped to an analogue input to get the smoothest control. As for the adjustable settings for steering in the options menu, they are generally set too high for a controller but I’m not able to remember where I’ve set mine without seeing the screen in front of me. 

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@Jake Cushing I use the back ones for acceleration and braking and the front ones for gears when using a pad

 

I used to use the right stick on a PS4 pad in DR1 but the need to dab the brakes quicker (and sometimes simultaneously) made me switch - takes a little while but go slowly and get used to it

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3 hours ago, FLAW3D said:

You gotta have acceleration and brakes on the triggers so that you can feather them. 

I have acceleration and brakes on the face buttons. I just can't get on with the triggers for those functions in any serious racing gaming, I much prefer to use the triggers for gear change. 

I am still at the point where I am using the default setup on most RWD cars: and a lot of caution when it comes to the accelerator! 

 

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Further to my post above, one of the biggest differences I had with regards to controlling the steering ‘snap’ that you get with a controller came after I adjusted the advanced controller settings. Personal preference is going to vary when it comes to this but I’ve gone with the following and it has made a world of difference with RWD cars and the Group B cars.

Steering Sensitivity - 90

Steering Linearity - 3

Steering Deadzone - 3 (I’m using a newish controller so you may want this a little higher if you have an older controller with some play in the sticks)

 

With this current controller setup I was 25th overall (after ignoring the negative time in 1st place) and 2nd Xbox on yesterday’s H2 RWD in New Zealand. That was in the rain and on a stage that I usually have major issues with (clipping the low banks and getting punctures), especially when pushing. 

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i'd definitely say map accelerate and brake to the triggers. just drive a few stages in time trial until you get used to it, once you do you'll never go back. use L1 and R1 (or whatever the xbox equivalent of those buttons are, they're the top 'triggers' on a PS4 controller) to change gears or map gear up and down to the right analog stick which will give you more of a 'gear lever' feel.

you also really need to unlock the tuning for the RWD cars, some of the default tunings are stupid. the Escort MkII was undriveable for me on gamepad until i unlocked the tuning. some of the default settings are almost all the way over to the right for the diff or something, and a few other things (can't remember what exactly), just move them more towards the center for a start.

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How you can use the face buttons is beyond me.

 

I just retired my Xbox360 controller as the gimbal deadzone was all out of whack, bought an Xbox One S controller and the spongy triggers are driving me mental because the dont give enough resistence and thats bad enough, using facebuttons would be impossible.

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With acceleration mapped to a face button, it's no surprise you're struggling badly with RWD. It's much easier (if still not great) with FWD and 4WD to floor it most of the time, with RWD you really must feather the throttle and the face buttons simply can't do that. I hugely recommend setting throttle and brake to RT and LT, I use A for shifting up and X for shifting down in every racing game (iirc that's even the default in DR2).

If you do, playing with controller is actually not an issue for RWD at all. I actually find RWD easier with a controller because my index finger is just so much more sensitive than my right foot, and so I actually perform better in RWD than FWD or 4WD.

Practising in adverse conditions helps too, if you learn to control something in really bad conditions, you'll have a much easier time doing it in "normal" conditions. I sometimes practise RWD on ice in Monte Carlo with soft tyres, which is kinda fun and definitely helps improving my performance.

In any case, you must set throttle to an analogue trigger.

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Agreed with the others here, you really need proper analogue control of the throttle and brakes, and imo the only practical way to do that is with the triggers, and using the face buttons for changing gear – I used A and X on my X360 pad.

On 5/29/2019 at 5:43 PM, tbtstt said:

I just can’t get on with the triggers for those functions in any serious racing gaming, I much prefer to use the triggers for gear change. 

Yeah, it'll feel weird and uncomfortable for a while, same as any habit change, but it really is worth it.

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27 minutes ago, afahoy said:

Agreed with the others here, you really need proper analogue control of the throttle and brakes, and imo the only practical way to do that is with the triggers, and using the face buttons for changing gear – I used A and X on my X360 pad.

Yeah, it'll feel weird and uncomfortable for a while, same as any habit change, but it really is worth it.

The funny thing is, I really like the triggers for arcade racing games, I just can't get on with them for any serious driving game! 

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On 5/29/2019 at 8:24 AM, Jake Cushing said:

I feared that was the case. May have to go automatic as triggers have been for up and downshifts for me 

Why not just flip them? It will take you some adjustment but you'll be better off for it. You need the analog triggers for accel and brake if you want any sort of finer control with a gamepad.

For shifting I've always used X & B on the Xbox button layout, with A for handbrake. It's always made the most sense for me. Some people suggest the shoulder buttons, but I've always found that unweildy. But try anything after putting accel and brake on the triggers as they should be and see what works best for you. It's a real shame this game doesn't have the rumble trigger support of the recent F1 games for additional feedback. It's a huge benefit in the games that use them.

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meh, I just turn abs, traction & stability control to 5. usually gets me to the finish line without sliding backwards off a cliff. usually.

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1. Set throttle and brake to the triggers. You need fine, analogue controll for these, digital ON/OFF doesn't work.  You'll get used to it in a weekend don't worry.

2. Set the rear springs and the rear ARB softer (if there is one on the specific car).

3. Experiment with differential settings, that could completely change the behaviour of the car, especially RWDs! If it's too twitchy and slides to much give it some pre-load. If you have too much wheelspin set accel. lock to lower.

4. Don't release the throttle completely and too sudden in corner entry. Maintain some throttle and carefully apply brake in high/medium speed corners. Think it like simulating left-foot braking. Of course in sharp corners and hairpins you jump off the throttle to swing the rear around.

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