CM, please BUFF TC, the loudest mouths are the minority

[Bungieware 3]

Please DO NOT boost assists again

If people want assistance to race that's fine, no problem with that. But never again should you put those that don't want assistance at a disadvantage. The best players don't favour assists, but when you artificially level the playing field by making them overpowered it encourages everyone to use them.

You don't see any successful competitive games that offer assistance which provides a competitive advantage.

[jordb_ 50]

For me I think 2018 had a very good balance, medium traction didn't allow you to control the revs as much and lost you a considerable amount of time out of corners, ABS was competitive but it narrowed your ability to move the car under braking losing you time, manual gears have always been better for traction.

This made public lobbies competitive for both sides (I think we are wanting more racing after the some of the real life 2019 F1 races), but if you're going to take this game seriously you were and will get repaid in 2019 too. Esports was no assists, Weekly events you will get rewarded for no assists, and finally all the serious leagues require no assists to enter.

Does anyone agree with this? I'm open to any counter-arguements. Let's try and get a good solution for everybody :]

 

[AScott 114]

9 minutes ago, jordb_ said:

For me I think 2018 had a very good balance, medium traction didn't allow you to control the revs as much and lost you a considerable amount of time out of corners, ABS was competitive but it narrowed your ability to move the car under braking losing you time, manual gears have always been better for traction.

This made public lobbies competitive for both sides (I think we are wanting more racing after the some of the real life 2019 F1 races), but if you're going to take this game seriously you were and will get repaid in 2019 too. Esports was no assists, Weekly events you will get rewarded for no assists, and finally all the serious leagues require no assists to enter.

Does anyone agree with this? I'm open to any counter-arguements. Let's try and get a good solution for everybody :]

 

Depends what you mean by no assists.

[jordb_ 50]

20 minutes ago, AScott said:

Depends what you mean by no assists.

Settings > Assists > Turn them all to OFF or MANUAL.

Some leagues allow you to run racing line, which is an assist, however it's visual and doesn't affect car performance, which I believe is what the majority of this thread cares more about.

[AScott 114]

1 minute ago, jordb_ said:

Settings > Assists > Turn them all to OFF or MANUAL.

Some leagues allow you to run racing line, which is an assist, however it's visual and doesn't affect car performance, which I believe is what the majority of this thread is talking about.

Settings - assists is not all the assists though, even if thier labelled as visual aids thier still assists, even if it doesnt effect performance, its still gives the player a advantage,

Either way only Codemasters can fix it.

[jordb_ 50]

9 minutes ago, AScott said:

Settings - assists is not all the assists though, even if thier labelled as visual aids thier still assists, even if it doesnt effect performance, its still gives the player a advantage,

Either way only Codemasters can fix it.

As I said in my first post, Esports is no assists, Weekly events you will get rewarded for no assists, and finally all the serious leagues require no assists to enter. (That includes visual aids)

[matt231985 26]

I use a pad and ditched assists around F1 2012. It took me all of 2 hours to get used to no assists and about another 2 hours to be comfortable. 

Enjoy the learning curve. 

Personally, I appreciate the skill that players have learned to play No assists, and don’t really want to be having someone who has full assists divebombing me online without a care for ABS. 

If you can’t compete, then lower the difficulty and keep using your assists. 

Quite frankly, people without assists are faster online because they have dedicated their time to learn. Why should you expect to pick the game up every so often and think you deserve to beat them with assists?

thats like saying, I don’t want to study, but I expect to get a degree just like those guys who work hard. 

[Aljudifa 9]

Just my two cents on this topic:

 

I have been playing this game on PS4 since F1 2016, first year I played with a pad, had ABS on, full TC, Full racing line and T-cam view. For 2017, I bought a wheel and near the end of the year, I was trying to drive without racing line. It was hard, cause I was so used to having a line.

Last year, I was determined to not use the racing line. Not once have I used it, and I got the hang of it pretty quick. Since a month or two, I've completely shut down al assists, except for the proximity arrows (for making up not being able to look around or in the mirrors).

I am struggling real hard, but I'm getting faster every day. I'm not racing to win, but to stay on the track for as many consecutive laps as possible. But I know, that if I keep trying, I will be a faster driver than I was with assists. And that makes it worth the effort. If I wouldn't gain any significance benefit, I don't think I would be able to keep pushing myself to try. Playing without assists isn't easy, but getting good at something never should be easy.

 

Besides all mentioned above, it really is so much more fun without ABS, TC and Racing Line and with cockpit view and manual gears. Everybody should decide for themselfs how to play, but I can only say that I think it's worth your while.

[AScott 114]

26 minutes ago, jordb_ said:

As I said in my first post, Esports is no assists, Weekly events you will get rewarded for no assists, and finally all the serious leagues require no assists to enter. (That includes visual aids)

As I said in my post, not all assists are in the list, so show me where or how serious leagues are gonna force of visual aids Aka Assists ?

Either I got a one off copy with the options not inc, or thier not inc.

[jordb_ 50]

Just now, AScott said:

As I said in my post, not all assists are in the list, so show me where or how serious leagues are gonna force of visual aids Aka Assists ?

Either I got a one off copy with the options not inc, or thier not inc.

AOR (Apex Online Racing) F1, F2, F3 tiers regarded the highest quality leagues just below Esports level all require no assists (which includes visual aids). They set the settings in the lobby so you are forced to race this way.

I really don't understand what you mean by "not all assists are in the list".

[sloppysmusic 1,650]

Here's a request you don't see very often :

"Hey devs I just started playing Fortnite 7 mins ago and it's so unfair! Me and my 3yo brother keep getting creamed by so called veterans who are so crazy they must have played the game for HOURS!! NO FAIR!! Please let those of us who just got home from the game store have a chance of finishing first at our first try. We only ask for some kind of armor bubble we can turn on so we are invincible. This will give us a totally fair advantage to frag those players who seem to think just because they play the game more than bro n me do they should have an advantage. No fair no fair whaaaagh! We gonna play GTA now as Daddy gave us $100 so we can shoot up all them losers who got no money ". 

Please note the above statement is for parody ONLY and does not intend to represent the views of the average newcomer to Fortnite (Tm) or F1 2019. 

PS WINNERS DONT DO DRUGS!!  (Except in professional cycling, athletics, baseball etc etc) 

[AScott 114]

3 minutes ago, jordb_ said:

AOR (Apex Online Racing) F1, F2, F3 tiers regarded the highest quality leagues just below Esports level all require no assists (which includes visual aids). They set the settings in the lobby so you are forced to race this way.

I really don't understand what you mean by "not all assists are in the list".

Ive seen AOR race and they use assists, regarded as the highest quality, well thats your opinion,

assists list in game, visual aids are not on thier, so you cant force them off in the lobby.

[jordb_ 50]

7 minutes ago, AScott said:

Ive seen AOR race and they use assists, regarded as the highest quality, well thats your opinion,

assists list in game, visual aids are not on thier, so you cant force them off in the lobby.

The three top tiers of AOR run NO assists, that's a fact, not an opinion. 

You also CAN force visual aids (Racing line) OFF in the lobby settings, I almost started to doubt myself you were so adamant, so I checked myself and I am right.

Before you make judgement or give an opinion I think it's better for everyone you do some research first, it saves unnecessary bickering in the forums. 

[CameronB 88]

5 minutes ago, jordb_ said:

The three top tiers of AOR run NO assists, that's a fact, not an opinion. 

You also CAN force visual aids (Racing line) OFF in the lobby settings, I almost started to doubt myself you were so adamant, so I checked myself and I am right.

Before you make judgement or give an opinion I think it's better for everyone you do some research first, it saves unnecessary bickering in the forums. 

He is on about the fact that they still use the HUD (lap counter, mini map, leaderboard in top left,) and they allow people to race out of cockpit cam

[TheEmpireWasRight 871]

45 minutes ago, matt231985 said:

Why should you expect to pick the game up every so often and think you deserve to beat them with assists?

thats like saying, I don’t want to study, but I expect to get a degree just like those guys who work hard. 

THIS.

 

 

[AScott 114]

5 minutes ago, jordb_ said:

The three top tiers of AOR run NO assists, that's a fact, not an opinion. 

You also CAN force visual aids (Racing line) OFF in the lobby settings, I almost started to doubt myself you were so adamant, so I checked myself and I am right.

Before you make judgement or give an opinion I think it's better for everyone you do some research first, it saves unnecessary bickering in the forums. 

AOR F1 2019 Season posted 3 days ago https://www.twitch.tv/videos/443230445 thats not an a opinion of they use assists, thats video proof,

12:20 Racing line ( visual Aid )

12:27 Circuit Map ( Visual Aid )

13:12 Proximinty Arrows ( Visual Aid )

13:13 Ive seen enough,

Fact is in F1 2019 you can not force off all visual aids,

The myth among gamers is only ABS and TCS are assists they dont class visual aids as assists, 

All this we race no assists is BS, its a ego thang.

Feel free to disagree with your reply but am done.

[jordb_ 50]

1 minute ago, AScott said:

AOR F1 2019 Season posted 3 days ago https://www.twitch.tv/videos/443230445 thats not an a opinion of they use assists, thats video proof,

12:20 Racing line ( visual Aid )

12:27 Circuit Map ( Visual Aid )

13:12 Proximinty Arrows ( Visual Aid )

13:13 Ive seen enough,

Fact is in F1 2019 you can not force off all visual aids,

The myth among gamers is only ABS and TCS are assists they dont class visual aids as assists, 

All this we race no assists is BS, its a ego thang.

Feel free to disagree with your reply but am done.

*facepalm* that video is split 6 my friend. My original point said split 1, 2 and 3. Again, I'm not trying to be rude at all, just read through carefully before replying.

Regarding a circuit map and proximity arrows, I think this is the wrong game title to argue those need to be removed, this is a "plug and play" simcade racing game. 

And by the way, iRacing has virtual mirrors, something I'd like to see added to the F1 games.

[AScott 114]

50 minutes ago, jordb_ said:

AOR (Apex Online Racing) F1, F2, F3 tiers regarded the highest quality leagues just below Esports level all require no assists (which includes visual aids). They set the settings in the lobby so you are forced to race this way.

I really don't understand what you mean by "not all assists are in the list".

 Show me where It says split 1, 2, and 3 my friend ?, Just read through carefully before not replying,

Highest leagues require no assists ( which includes visual aids ) you say ? visual aids inc Circuit Map, Proximinty Arrows, just read through carefully before not replying,

17 minutes ago, jordb_ said:

*facepalm* that video is split 6 my friend. My original point said split 1, 2 and 3. Again, I'm not trying to be rude at all, just read through carefully before replying.

Regarding a circuit map and proximity arrows, I think this is the wrong game title to argue those need to be removed, this is a "plug and play" simcade racing game. 

And by the way, iRacing has virtual mirrors, something I'd like to see added to the F1 games.

Now I see where you say split 1, 2 and 3, after I replied 

Regarding a circuit map and proximinty arrows, ( just read through carefully what you wrote above ) I think this is the wrong game to argue, you say,

 

Not trying to rude at all, but thats all I got to say on the subject, cause where getting no where,

Right or wrong, not all gamers see eye to eye when it comes to settings assits what ever it my be.

[AScott 114]

1 hour ago, jordb_ said:

AOR (Apex Online Racing) F1, F2, F3 tiers regarded the highest quality leagues just below Esports level all require no assists (which includes visual aids). They set the settings in the lobby so you are forced to race this way.

I really don't understand what you mean by "not all assists are in the list".

AOR (Apex Online Racing) Regarded the highest quality league,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zqj5-K_Jjg

Ill be honest I didn't bielve you, but once I saw AOR Tiametmarduk was a member, it changed my mind, it has to be said ( Honest )  🤣

[jordb_ 50]

@AScott In all honestly, if I knew you were talking about circuit maps when we were debating visual assists being allowed, I wouldn't of replied. 😂

You are entitled to your opinion, but the point of this thread is more so about how fast the car will go with and without TC.

1 minute ago, AScott said:

AOR (Apex Online Racing) Regarded the highest quality league,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zqj5-K_Jjg

Ill be honest I didn't bielve you, but once I saw AOR Tiametmarduk was a member, it changed my mind, it has to be said ( Honest )  🤣

AOR is a huge organisation hosting racing at many different levels, try and be funny all you want, but the top tiers of AOR are where the likes of Brendon Leigh, Daniel Bereznay all raced before F1 Esports were a thing.

[AScott 114]

@jordb_ 😴

https://apexonlineracing.com/community/threads/league-information-aor-f1-2018-leagues-season-17.54028/

All assists that are banned in Tier one / spilt one / F1 , or what ever its called, none of which are visual aids, so not trying to be funny or rude, but do your homework before making assumptions, 

TC = Traction Control
ABS = Anti-Lock Brakes
RL = Racing Line
AG = Automatic Gearbox
PA = Pit Assist
PR = Pit Release Assist
ERS = Automatic ERS Mode

Info which should of been posted by @jordb_, Your Welcome.

F1 Beta Tester 2019

Formula 2 currently unable to drive in FP sessions due to no fuel, GOOD WORK! 

 

[AlexTT 489]

Omg I don't even have the game yet, but taking out the popcorn here🤣

 

i am going to enjoy online lobbies so much now driving in circles around those TC cheaters🤣

finally some justice for the people who actually try to GITGUD🙈

[matt231985 26]

A bit like modern society and young people today. They expect to be given everything without having to work for it. 

People who have taken the time to learn DESERVE to win races. You should never expect to pick a game up and win. 

Dont overestimate how long it takes to learn no assists. We are talking 1 or 2 play sessions. 

I have a family, a mortgage and a very busy job. I get to play this game for about 2 hours max a week. But I still learnt no assists and cope just fine.

more importantly, it’s just more fun to be actually controlling the gears, braking and acceleration and actually feeling every meter of the track. Rather than hold a button down and steer left and right with very little thought. 

You don’t see guys with stabilisers on their bikes at the Tour de France. If you want to win, you gotta put the learning in. You have to earn it!

[sanderu1983 18]

This discussion again?. Make 2 different assist. One for online and one for career.

Medium TC on controller works fine. I did try for hours without any assist but that just ain't for me personally.

[Acerees 115]

On 6/25/2019 at 8:27 PM, Nickk28 said:

Codemasters,

I don't post here often but you need to hear me out on this.  Traction Control should not be nerfed.  The people who do the betas, post on reddit/here, and post on YouTube are the minority of players.  Look at your stats, players like me pick up and play when we can.  But now we cannot compete in online or even climb the leaderboards.  We have to deal with the drawl of YouTubers and commenters who spend so much time aligning their interests they barely even play.   For example, look how often the players with rigs moan and complain here and on reddit.  Us controller players just play.  I do not have or even want to get a rig...I can afford it but I just want to play with a controller, same reason VR hasnt picked up momentum.  

We buy this game to play on a controller, let the minority have their iRacing if they do not want to use a controller.  Our consoles ship with controllers, not Wheels and Pedals, don't isolate us out to compete with iRacing, you are not iRacing, thank god.

Either separate the leader-boards or ranked lobbies or simply just BUFF TC, at least on Medium.  13-18 year olds shouldn't spend weekends or HW time learning to drive without TC just to hang in there online or in TT.   20-50 year olds have jobs.  They don't have the time either.  Unranked is not an option.  No skin in the game for most drivers.

You are catering to a minority here, please revert the nerf.  I speak for the majority.

Sounds like a dictatorship to me