Jump to content
  • 18

F1 2019 - Skill Rating system broken [SG]

Question

Version: 1.04

Platform: Playstation 4, Xbox and PC

Mode: Ranked Online (5 laps and 25% distance) 

Whenever I'm playing online ranked mode, I'm getting way too low amount of skill points when I win. I know it depends on amount of players in lobby, but for example, in 10 player lobby, when I finish 4, I'm getting like 10 points max. And what's worse, it doesn't matter if I drive 5 laps or 25% distance. But now the worst part. If you place somewhere in the back, game takes way too much points from you. Once I was driving on 1sf position and I've got error... I lost about 300 skill points. This is ridiculous and not even my fault. 

TL:DR: We lose way too much skill points for stuff like being rammed, destroyed or even from game errors and we are earning way too low. Stuff like this shouldn't even happen... Going for the achievement Pure Gold itself is pain in the ass. At least give us ability to improve skill rating in unranked matches while playing with our friends. 

Sorry to say this, but the game is once again broken in online mode at the start. Year after year the same thing happens over and over again. I think, like the rest of us, that it's time to do something with this finally. 

We came up with few solutions (with forums help of course) that can help us and dev team to decide what to do with this problem:

Significantly increase rewarding points and lower the negative ones. We are being punished way too hard right now. Points are also really slowing down when around 1800 points. We are winning like couple of points (if we are lucky) and losing tons of them (when not lucky). 

Positive points for more places than just above 50%. Sometimes we even get negative points for placing much higher than half of the grid and we're still getting negative points. It's really depressing to when you're being punished for your hard work. 

- Completely remove negative points for being destroyed, disconnections and game errors. It's not our fault, so we shouldn't be punished for such an accidents. No points won't hurt anybody and we can at least play and have fun without being worried that someone will ram us to the wall. 

- Give us ability to increase Skill Rating in Unranked races. We can play with friends and that way increase skill and than be matched with other players that know how to race. I'm mean, for real, nobody would mind that, right? 

- Lower requirements for the "Pure Gold" trophy/achievement. It's kinda linked to above points but it doesn't hurt to mention it. Right now it's really very unfair achievement. 

- I know this is not related strictly to the skill rating system, but please improve penalty system. It needs drastic updates, because right now there literally no penalty system at all. People can do whatever they want and there's no punishment. 

PS. 

Please, if you really want this problem to be fixed, spread the word and share link to this topic whenever you need. The more people will give their voice the more chances it will be fixed. 

  • Like 1
  • Agree 17

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Recommended Posts

  • 0

I found C rating too hectic, B seems to be a good spot for decent size lobbies, a little bit of people taking each other out, but not too much. C rating I would see people literally slam anyone trying to overtake them.

I'm currently sitting at around 1600 points but have only gotten there by picking lobbies that might actually give me points, being silver Rank 2 there is no point in racing against a lobby full of Silver 1s, without a win you are guaranteed to lose points

However with the low number of players in the game its not easy to find lobbies of higher rated racers, this is why the system isn't viable for the future ... as less people play the higher ranked players won't gain anymore

  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
5 hours ago, DarrenAH said:

However with the low number of players in the game its not easy to find lobbies of higher rated racers, this is why the system isn't viable for the future ... as less people play the higher ranked players won't gain anymore

Completely true. Within a year people will be playing less, because of the new 2020 game or something. And the players are screwed because they can't get enough points.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

Was I lobby with a lot of people. Qualified second at Singapore. But the race didn't start because one player didn't load? 

Waited 10min but without luck. Had to disconnect en restart. Lost 130 points. This is killing me..CM. Help us and patch this unstable game and overhaul the rewards in ranked races please. IMG_20190811_204309.thumb.jpg.b54aa4eb1c9f13f2ed13db3b8a2bbb31.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
10 hours ago, DarrenAH said:

I found C rating too hectic, B seems to be a good spot for decent size lobbies, a little bit of people taking each other out, but not too much. C rating I would see people literally slam anyone trying to overtake them.

 

You are correct about the C skill level rooms. I made the mistake of getting used to exceeding track limits intentionally and was demoted when I wanted to stay B rated. 

Also, maybe it was my circumstance, but it appeared that alot of fast drivers was also rated in the C level. I just lucked out and was able to unlock the trophy with only completing 2 races at the C skill level.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

i discovered this game (i mean the F1-2018) by coincidence. One day i got a discount at the game pass on the XBox One (for only 1 EUR!!), i saw the F1-2018, and just tried it, why not? I was SO surprised... SUCH A GREAT GAME! I spent over 250 EUR for a wheel and its hold-system and was excited to buy the F1-2019. But.... after playing the online mode in F1-2018 against so many kamikaze-drivers and realizing, that there is just no administrator system that punish this behaviour, and that F1-2019 is still the same way...... what??? NO! No, no, no, no..... I'm selling the wheel in Ebay and I'm not spending money in this game. First, because i don't want to pay to get frustrated, and second because (although i'm not 99 years old) i'm old enough to know, that the only language that companies unsderstand is MONEY. So, i'm not buying your new game, although i know is great. Great, but frustrating because of your unexisting system of punishment for kamikaze killer drivers. Formula One, i mean the motor sport, is NOT soccer, is not wrestling, is FORMULA ONE, there are rules and you can NOT just drive as you want. Goodbye, maybe in 2025 you have a newer version where kamikaze drivers get bannished. Until then, i will spend my time (and money) in other hobbies. Best regards, "Roman lives" in XBox.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
Posted (edited)

Pure ******** this is man... Lap5/5. Bam.. Lost connection to PSN. Nothing I could do. Lost 60 goddamn hard fought points. Never ever have I played such an unfair game. 

I know it is important to punish rage quitters, but if people got connection problems they get punished too. This got to be the most luck based thing in a game I have ever witnessed. I just love the game. It's incredible but ranked MP its not... 

Edited by Slimmie1987

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

@Hoo

can you please give us un update about a possible solution for this.

we need one asap

  • Agree 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

Just wanted to do a ranked race, quali no problem

but then the race, waited for 10 minutes, race wouldn't start, couldn't press the "start" button either to go back to the main menu. I was forced to restart the game and because of that I lost over 100 points.  Why are we getting punished so hard for something that is not even our fault. This trophy is so unfair. 

Just change the system that points can't be lost, i'd rather don't earn points for ending in a bad position then lose points for something i can't control

 

  • Agree 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
Posted (edited)
23 hours ago, Quickey said:

Just wanted to do a ranked race, quali no problem

but then the race, waited for 10 minutes, race wouldn't start, couldn't press the "start" button either to go back to the main menu. I was forced to restart the game and because of that I lost over 100 points.  Why are we getting punished so hard for something that is not even our fault. This trophy is so unfair. 

Just change the system that points can't be lost, i'd rather don't earn points for ending in a bad position then lose points for something i can't control

 

I understand the frustration, but your suggestion is a terrible one. It's a ranking system, not being able to lose points would render it useless as a ranking system.

 

I was however thinking the other day that if the achievement/trophy was changed to something like "Achieve a gold skill rating OR complete 1000 ranked races" I'd be happy with that.

Achieving a gold skill rating is meant to show commitment,  dedication to improving, and skill. In my opinion completing 1000 ranked races shows the same thing and would be comparable to reaching Gold. 

I am sure that it didn't take any of the gold rated racers 1000 races to get there, have spoken to a guy that got the level 50 achievement when you had to basically get to level 198 and he had completed less than 500 races to get that.

If people wanted to go the 1000 races route to get the achievement/trophy they would probably get Gold on the way, I just see it as a way to extend the life of the multiplayer whilst removing the aggravation of the randomness of the other drivers.

It would also remove the difficulty of people being able to earn this in a years time when the MP base is all but gone, they just need to put the time in (assuming an average of 5 lap races taking 15 mins each (inc load times) that would be roughly 250 hours)

 

I may start a separate thread to gauge opinion on this and not side-track this thread

Edited by DarrenAH

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
9 hours ago, DarrenAH said:

I understand the frustration, but your suggestion is a terrible one. It's a ranking system, not being able to lose points would render it useless as a ranking system. 

Gold rating shouldn't be all too easy. I agree. But it's still an unfair system right now. I had a couple of connection errors, races that wouldn't start, blue screens and offcourse dirty racers. You lose big skillpoints because off that. Is very hard to gain back your lost points. Especially when you where in the 1900's.

I'm not the best racer out there, but I am certainly not bad either. I have enough poles online, but 90% I'm getting rammed in the first corners.

I still believe the gains en losses are unbalanced. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, Slimmie1987 said:

Gold rating shouldn't be all too easy. I agree. But it's still an unfair system right now. I had a couple of connection errors, races that wouldn't start, blue screens and offcourse dirty racers. You lose big skillpoints because off that. Is very hard to gain back your lost points. Especially when you where in the 1900's.

I'm not the best racer out there, but I am certainly not bad either. I have enough poles online, but 90% I'm getting rammed in the first corners.

I still believe the gains en losses are unbalanced. 

 

Oh definitely, don't take my comment as agreeing with the system as it is because I am definitely on the side that would love it to change

Edited by DarrenAH
  • Agree 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

For my part, I completely stopped playing until there is a suitable fix. After reflexion, I have too much esteem to purposely lower my ranking to B... (I don't even have the 10 online games success)

Soon there will be no one online to play your games ... CONGRATS !!!!

Probably my last Codemasters game (F1, Grid, Dirt, ...) 🏴🏴🏴

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
2 hours ago, DarrenAH said:

Oh definitely, don't take my comment as agreeing with the system as it is because I am definitely on the side that would love it to change

Yes mate. I know. I like a decent challenge. But it's the unbalanced points system that breaks the ranked MP... I see some people with gold rating but they are not better than me. They probably had al the luck of the world too achieve Gold status. 

Were now at patch 1.08 and still not a single word of the Devs about the skill rating system. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
Posted (edited)

They even took down the topic from most popular in last month and I don't think other topics are as popular as this one. 

They were saying that they will look into it but not a word since than.

 @Faya and @Hoo. Can you be that kind and tell us what's happening with probably the worst mechanic in the game? 

Edited by Patricko
  • Agree 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

Finally managed to get this achievement with what can only be described as an immense amount of luck for my final few points. Now I just need the Lvl 50 bug fixed because I don’t think I can keep playing online to do another 20-odd levels on silver, especially when my achievement tracker shows that achievement at 98%.

 

@Faya and @Hoo, will there be a patch for those of us who passed Bronze 49 before update 1.07 so we get the lvl 50 achievement?!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
1 hour ago, Hoo said:

The popular posts are set automatically, so we don't get to manually edit this list. 

In terms of the issues raised, we have some initial changes that are going into test now and will hopefully be ready for patch 1.09. These will address the balancing of the skill rating system so that there will be fewer severe drops in rating, and overall reduced volatility in the session results. From our initial tests, this shows a much clearer direction towards a player's actual skill and has eliminated the massive drops in rank reported by some players when losing a race.

Additionally, we've tweaked the safety rating system to better group players according to their current safety rating. The prevents some cross-contamination of our groups, allows people who are driving well to move out of the bottom rating quicker and increases the pool of A-rated players.

We've also got another bunch of things that we're working on, but it would be great to get some initial feedback on the above changes once the next patch goes live.

@Hoo  Yesss, this is great news...

*** Most important *** Keep in mind that players can have a lot of skills even if they don't finish on the podium each race.

Also, as an "S" in safety, I find myself very often with the same group of players (which unfortunately are faster than me) ... Will I be able to progress with the new system?

Thanks

  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
Posted (edited)

@Hoo

In a lobby with 17 other people, qual goes OK. sat on the grid and timer hits 0, all people listed on the right have ticks next to their names but top left still says Awaiting Players. Jeff is talking as if we are racing "You're in his dirty air, try to get past him" and every now and then goes American and says "her" instead (has been mentioned in this thread - https://forums.codemasters.com/topic/41818-jeff-turns-into-an-american-😂/ )

I didn't want to quit for fear of losing points, so I waited until everyone else did, then I get the error screen stating that there aren't enough people to run the session and am sent back to main menu .... I lost 70 points.

 

I didn't quit but the game acts as if I did, pretty big flaw if you ask me so if you wouldn't mind passing that onto the devs, thanks

Edited by DarrenAH

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
Posted (edited)
On 7/1/2019 at 11:16 AM, ciao77 said:

Good morning!hear ye hear ye!ladies and gentleman i just discovered a new penalty! Yesterday i checked my skill points and i had 1409. This morning i checked again and..lets roll drums...i have now 1318. I discovered than while i was sleeping i lost 91 points😂😂. Warning to all players..dont sleep or you are going to lose points!! New slogan..eat,sleep, get the penalty and repeat!😂😂😂. Were uou sleeping? To bad..you have got the penalty!😂🤪🙈🙉🙊come on CM..lets be serious..its 2019..

 

Edited by Pell316
Wrong linked chat

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
17 hours ago, ciao77 said:

Hi. Everyone. As usual after one month...nothing has changed..i lost points (thanks to the people ramming at me.. ). I dont even going to try it again, until there will be a patch with NO POINTS LOST in every case!!! Why should i lose points if i want to disconnect my self?!?!Why i have to hope to find people with high rank than me and hope to beat someone..and if i cant why i have to lose points?! Just because i’am not lucky, i have to lose points?! What a kind of ability is this?! Points never lost, but gained in base at the final placed reached..that is ability!! Is it so hard to do a simple thing like this?! I have the platinum trophy in every GT, F1, wrc, project cars games..i have been playing race games for more than 30 years so i know the circuits..here, i have to fight for the last position because i dont know why im 5-6 secs slower than others..and when im in a good place, here he comes an unrealistic penalty or a rammer that ruins everything. I dont know if whoever had this “fantastic”idea to create this point sistem..was joking or maybe had a flu, or fever.. To the “genius”👨‍🎓that had this idea..try to gain points when someone hit you and destroy your car, or when you lose online connection or when you are in a lobby with 20 people with a rank like yours or lower: if you win no points gained,but if you finish in second place you lose points...Let me tell you one thing...you are a.....”genius”😂😂😂.......Im really sad because really i dont understand why someone has to ruin a game (potentially a good game), with these stupid, online ideas...mah...Goodluck everyone.

No need to speak so condescending to people who put in years of their lives to entertain you. Clearly something isn’t right and it’s being looked at but posting messages like this is counterproductive. In other words grow up and move on if you don’t like something 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
1 hour ago, Pell316 said:

No need to speak so condescending to people who put in years of their lives to entertain you. Clearly something isn’t right and it’s being looked at but posting messages like this is counterproductive. In other words grow up and move on if you don’t like something 

My dear i grow up.. i can assure you. Its post like this that make should understand to everyone who continues to put so called "efforts" to entertain me with these online features (useless and worthless), that maybe its enough with online trophies. Im not entertained at all..to the contrary..because after 1 month its the same thing and i dont believe that something its going to change..and the fact is that in order to play this"game" i paid 80 euro..because someone after 10 years..didnt even understand that online games like this are only an occasion to rammer against others..i can only call this..pure genius. So i didnt like it and i know a lot of people that are agree with me..but believe me its going to be the last time. This is my opinion and if you are not agree..too bad..its not a my problem. Bye grown man😂

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
Posted (edited)

Another race where it's not connected to all players properly, 16 people plus me, count down finishes and nothing happens. List comes back up on the right side and Awaiting Players on the left, waiting for one person to connect.

The person we are sat on the grid waiting for then pulls out and goes round the track, 6 laps later everyone but me has quit so I do and I've lost another 100 points.

Why are we losing points for quitting? If someone quits out that's only a good thing for the people left in the lobby, they are guaranteed to beat that person and have a better chance of gaining points. So let them quit so they don't lose points and I can gain more, win win.

If it needs to effect something as a punishment then let it effect safety rating instead of skill rating.

 

I hope when you say you have "addressed the balancing of the skill rating system so that there will be fewer severe drops in rating" you have also increased the gain for finishing well.

Additionally any chance that cars can be ghosted as soon as possible after a crash/spin, I'm tired of running into a car that is sideways in the middle of the track, can't be avoided so I damage my car, drop back places and get a penalty for it, just ghost the cars instantly please.

Edited by DarrenAH

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
14 hours ago, ciao77 said:

My dear i grow up.. i can assure you. Its post like this that make should understand to everyone who continues to put so called "efforts" to entertain me with these online features (useless and worthless), that maybe its enough with online trophies. Im not entertained at all..to the contrary..because after 1 month its the same thing and i dont believe that something its going to change..and the fact is that in order to play this"game" i paid 80 euro..because someone after 10 years..didnt even understand that online games like this are only an occasion to rammer against others..i can only call this..pure genius. So i didnt like it and i know a lot of people that are agree with me..but believe me its going to be the last time. This is my opinion and if you are not agree..too bad..its not a my problem. Bye grown man😂

So what you are trying to say if I can translate the poor spelling and grammar is you are upset that you can’t get a trophy easily because other people ram you? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
4 hours ago, Pell316 said:

So what you are trying to say if I can translate the poor spelling and grammar is you are upset that you can’t get a trophy easily because other people ram you? 

Ehi the grown man and now even in professor edition. Im honored😂. Sorry prof if i dont speak good a language that its not mine..at least im trying to put some efforts to do my best..unlike some people..sorry if we are not champions like you😂😂😂.I have the platinum trophy at GT5 and Gt sport..the real simulators of a good racing game and really i dont care have it at this game....and regarding your question..well if you dont understand the difference between an easy trophy with a trophy created without any logic..im not the one who can help you..😂😂. If you like play a bad game like f12019 do it.  I will never buy a codemaster game again..bad games every year, with useless and worthless online..trophies glitched..ect. Its my opinion..I just regret to wasted my money for this game..my bad. Unlike others, I dont need 10 years to learn from my mistakes...Have a good day professor and have a fun with this masterpiece😂😂😂👌👋

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×