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You forgot to mention morons rammers who are waiting on finish line just to ram you. The game is not even ghosting them, so they can easily aim you... Who makes stuff like that?! 

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The best option is to just make it the same achievement as last years...

almost had gold earlier today - was on 1963 score and then had a race were i started with a puncture... typical codemasters.... thanks.

 

The main problem with it is the lack of players and i'm not joking...

I only come across the same players now, the Silver3's and gold1/2/3 are all top leaderboard players - how are you suppose to compete?

when I search for a game, only around 200 players are searching - is that across all ranks and Safety ratings?!

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@Faya Is there as possibility that you could give us some update on the upcoming patch and if the whole Skill Rating system + Pure Gold trophy will be fixed? We starting new week, it would be really nice if you could tell us something, because as you can see, we are starting losing our minds 😭

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5 hours ago, Patricko said:

@Faya Is there as possibility that you could give us some update on the upcoming patch and if the whole Skill Rating system + Pure Gold trophy will be fixed? We starting new week, it would be really nice if you could tell us something, because as you can see, we are starting losing our minds 😭

Yep, this! 

 

On 7/7/2019 at 2:09 AM, AlexTT said:

Just did another online one...

the amount of gold "skill" players is stupid, everyone knows that to win, you need all assists on.

laptimes deficit round a second a lap! 

For non assist users this is so demotivating to go online en try to be competitive. What's the use? When you in fact have the skill and carcontrol without assists, you'll almost never finish good because half the lobby is cheating. (Yes i call it cheating). Why? It takes ZERO skill to go fast with assists. You can go full throttle over kerbs, through gravel, against other cars wothout even beeing punished by the mistake like spinning of or losing control. And these people have a so called gold "SKILL"

 it ****** me off so bad that when you invest time to really get the hang of this without assists, you just get slapped in the face because there's not 1! Downside to using assists. It increases all chances to win, get more points and for what? Because you show "skill" by pressing full throttle and full brake and the rest is done for you? 

The system should be renamed to cheater status. The higher the status, the better the cheater. 

 Lobbies MUST be split! Let the cheaters be together, and the people who actually have some skill be together. Then we could have some good and FAIR racing!

every single person who doesn't use ABS and TC has got 1000 times more skill then any assist MISABUSER. It must be a really good feeling to finish in first knowing you didn't have the actual skill but are the best at cheating in that lobby.

it's disgusting!

And also this! 

You want to be the most "realistic" game? Than stop punishing the people who don't use assists, and punish the people who use TC ABS and all that ********, just like they will do in REAL life. Stop catering COMPETITIVE online to people who take the easy way to win, and start supporting the people who actually take the time and effort to get skilled. 

 

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Hi all,

Thanks for your patience. The team is still discussing your feedback on this. 

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28 minutes ago, Faya said:

Hi all,

Thanks for your patience. The team is still discussing your feedback on this. 

Thank you for the update. Hope the fix is coming 🙂

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@Faya

It seems the main problem (unfortunately) with Xbox atleast is the lack of players online at any one time in ranked. The most I've seen it say is 280 and it fluctuates between 200 - 240 most of the time - I'm guessing that includes all Ranks and Safety Ratings.

The problem with the major fluctuation in points is probaly due to this.

The main problem I find is the match making - I've been matched up against gold 2/3 players - there is nearly no chance of a silver beating a gold as the skill gap is massive. I'm at the point of being around 1900 skill score and I'm stuck. I cant go up due to the golds fill out the top spots (they're about a second a lap quicker) - they shouldn't be matched against Silvers - It's like giving one driver a Williams and the other a Mercedes.

The skill gap from Silver to Gold just isn't balancing out correctly - causing a lot of issues. The whole system needs re-adjusting - I mean is there any point in Bronze? I've seen Silver 1's lap up to 10 seconds off the pace and they're still quicker than Bronze!

 

I enjoy hard achievements when the difficulty is set - give me an achievement to win the championship starting with a backmarker on Ultimate difficulty - but when the difficulty is defined by the players and certain players basically being able to lock out that achievement (by no fault of their own, they just want to race) it isn't exactly fair.

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21 minutes ago, ochoco said:

@Faya

It seems the main problem (unfortunately) with Xbox atleast is the lack of players online at any one time in ranked. The most I've seen it say is 280 and it fluctuates between 200 - 240 most of the time - I'm guessing that includes all Ranks and Safety Ratings.

The problem with the major fluctuation in points is probaly due to this.

The main problem I find is the match making - I've been matched up against gold 2/3 players - there is nearly no chance of a silver beating a gold as the skill gap is massive. I'm at the point of being around 1900 skill score and I'm stuck. I cant go up due to the golds fill out the top spots (they're about a second a lap quicker) - they shouldn't be matched against Silvers - It's like giving one driver a Williams and the other a Mercedes.

The skill gap from Silver to Gold just isn't balancing out correctly - causing a lot of issues. The whole system needs re-adjusting - I mean is there any point in Bronze? I've seen Silver 1's lap up to 10 seconds off the pace and they're still quicker than Bronze!

 

I enjoy hard achievements when the difficulty is set - give me an achievement to win the championship starting with a backmarker on Ultimate difficulty - but when the difficulty is defined by the players and certain players basically being able to lock out that achievement (by no fault of their own, they just want to race) it isn't exactly fair.

Let me guess: you are a non assist driver? 

If so, That gap between you and those so called "gold skill" drivers is assists. 

I saw time differences of 2 seconds at russia for instance. 

That's how codemasters wants it. Rewarding players who abuse assists to be quick and takes no skill and punish the ones who don't use them and actually have any sort of controll over their car without assists. 

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1 hour ago, AlexTT said:

Yep, this! 

 

And also this! 

You want to be the most "realistic" game? Than stop punishing the people who don't use assists, and punish the people who use TC ABS and all that ********, just like they will do in REAL life. Stop catering COMPETITIVE online to people who take the easy way to win, and start supporting the people who actually take the time and effort to get skilled. 

 

I also noticed another funny thing, no matter if the front wing is on or off, assist users are still setting a stupid pace which should be impossible... if I have the slightest damage to my wing, I lock up like crazy, here comes an assist user with half a front wing, flying past me half over curbstones and half through grass/gravel as if I'm standing still! 

That's just stupid!

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17 minutes ago, AlexTT said:

Let me guess: you are a non assist driver? 

If so, That gap between you and those so called "gold skill" drivers is assists. 

I saw time differences of 2 seconds at russia for instance. 

That's how codemasters wants it. Rewarding players who abuse assists to be quick and takes no skill and punish the ones who don't use them and actually have any sort of controll over their car without assists. 

Some of them may run assists, some may not.

I noticed about 3 or 4 names that I've been regulary placed against in the weekly event leaderboards near the top (showing no assists) they're just really good and should not be placed against silvers.

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Aah come on CM... Yesterday 1644 points. Just started the game up.. 1561 points? Are you [Removed] serious? 

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Hi all,

You're allowed to be angry, and you can tell us so while telling us what the issue is, but please do not swear or use masked swearing. Thanks,

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7 minutes ago, ochoco said:

Some of them may run assists, some may not.

I noticed about 3 or 4 names that I've been regulary placed against in the weekly event leaderboards near the top (showing no assists) they're just really good and should not be placed against silvers.

Try one thing, when there are a lot of gold skilled players and you don't recognize them, go spectate, open telemetry, and when you see them full throttle midcorner or max brake where without abs you would lock up like crazy, you'll know what I'm talking about.

majority (i don't say everyone) is only ridiculously fast with assists on. On Playstation it's seriously game breaking how unfair the advantages are.

same with weekly event, assists will be locked, but still i get put in lobbies full with assist players as a non assist player.

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8 minutes ago, Faya said:

Hi all,

You're allowed to be angry, and you can tell us so while telling us what the issue is, but please do not swear or use masked swearing. Thanks,

Excuse my lanquage. But it's just frustrating. How am I supposed to get 2k points like this? 

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5 minutes ago, Slimmie1987 said:

Excuse my lanquage. But it's just frustrating. How am I supposed to get 2k points like this? 

It depends... do you run things like TC and/or ABS? If not, 2K is almost undoable. 

Turning them all on would help a lot, only I don't know i getting there with all assists does feel as rewarding as without. 

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38 minutes ago, AlexTT said:

It depends... do you run things like TC and/or ABS? If not, 2K is almost undoable. 

Turning them all on would help a lot, only I don't know i getting there with all assists does feel as rewarding as without. 

I run TC on medium and Abs on. Otherwise I can't just compete. I'm just a average racer. Just controller and not a wheel. Okay, so turning those off would help me a lot? 

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14 minutes ago, Slimmie1987 said:

I run TC on medium and Abs on. Otherwise I can't just compete. I'm just a average racer. Just controller and not a wheel. Okay, so turning those off would help me a lot? 

I wouldn't say it would help, especially on controller. Unless you're one of those no lifes who spend hundreds of hours just to learn one track. Don't also forget about ridiculous amount of morons who will ram you and push to the walls. Without assists you're like snowflake there. I would suggest to stay with assist and just learn perfect line for each track and hope for the best. 

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34 minutes ago, Slimmie1987 said:

I run TC on medium and Abs on. Otherwise I can't just compete. I'm just a average racer. Just controller and not a wheel. Okay, so turning those off would help me a lot? 

Well... no... it should make you faster 

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32 minutes ago, Patricko said:

I wouldn't say it would help, especially on controller. Unless you're one of those no lifes who spend hundreds of hours just to learn one track. Don't also forget about ridiculous amount of morons who will ram you and push to the walls. Without assists you're like snowflake there. I would suggest to stay with assist and just learn perfect line for each track and hope for the best. 

This...

my skill dropped down in 2 races both because of some ******* who HIT ME from behind, spins me off, AND I GET A GODDAMN WARNING! The ones causing this ******** NOTHING! Even setting fastest laps with their half front wing. Yes very REALISTIC!

This proves again and again how everything is biased towards assists and how it's allowed to ramm people off. Ram someone and HE gets penalized! 

It's getting to a point where I just can't take anything serious anymore.

time and time again it's showed and proved that the people who try to race clean, and actually invest time to master no assists, get a big finger from CM.

I'm DONE with this ********! What's the point in doing anything anymore when all you get is penalized for someone else's ramming, and how they make assists 1 to 2 seconds faster than everything else.

It's all a big **** you to the people who try to get skilled and race clean because CM finds so many ways to give the cheaters and dirty drivers any advantage they can give them.

and it makes me sick to my stomach! 

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TC on F1 2019 actually slows you down a lot the car understeer like crazy so I wouldnt recommend having it on unless you want to go slower.

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13 minutes ago, Lightsp33d1987 said:

TC on F1 2019 actually slows you down a lot the car understeer like crazy so I wouldnt recommend having it on unless you want to go slower.

Not medium TC...

I spectate quite a lot races, and when you turn on the telemetry, all I see is the throttle bar beeing pushed repeatedly full or off, and brakes full or not. Max TC is indeed slower, but medium TC not. If you see how people handle it, you'll understand.

when not using assists, you see throttle nice and gradually increasing, the brake decrease from full, you know that's someone who's without assists.

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Hi @Faya this is what we are dealing with online and why it is next to impossible to increase our skill rating 
Can I suggest maybe allowing skill points to be earned for the weekly events? and like has already been suggested maybe a buff to the skill points earned and a serious Nerf to the ones we lose, I am finally back up to over 1700 but that was after I lost nearly 300, it took 4 races to lose but nearly a full day to get back up to 1700 but my safety rating has also suffered as I dropped from S to C having to deal with the worst kind of drivers online! I really hope that you can help as the online is a real black mark on what so far is, an otherwise fantastic game!
 

 

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I have this: never seen this much gold "skilled" players in 1 single lobby. Not even 2018. Got me curious, so spectate on. And guess what, exactly what I am saying all the time, each and every single gold player has medium TC and ABS on. In this lobby the best cheater wins. People know what to do the be the best, so all assists are on. 

Please Codemasters, explain the meaning of SKILL level when the actual skilled people are beeing slapped in the face? This is to ridiculous to describe and you're making a complete fool of yourself! It's totally unbelievable that you call this the "most realistic" whatever, with a so called SKILL level system in which you don't give 1 single **** about the actual players that have skill! This is 1 big gigantic JOKE!

This whole "most realistic" game is very realistic indeed. 

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1 hour ago, NuclearMoose92 said:

Hi @Faya this is what we are dealing with online and why it is next to impossible to increase our skill rating 
Can I suggest maybe allowing skill points to be earned for the weekly events? and like has already been suggested maybe a buff to the skill points earned and a serious Nerf to the ones we lose, I am finally back up to over 1700 but that was after I lost nearly 300, it took 4 races to lose but nearly a full day to get back up to 1700 but my safety rating has also suffered as I dropped from S to C having to deal with the worst kind of drivers online! I really hope that you can help as the online is a real black mark on what so far is, an otherwise fantastic game!
 

 

That's medium TC in full effect. If you did that without your assists bro, you would be spinning around. This is exactly one of the examples how CM has completely failed any form of trustworthyness about realism and all that nonsense...

 

but I loved the way how that dirty piece of youknowwhat got a meeting with karma🤣 justice was served👍

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@NuclearMoose92 You're playing on PC? I'm on PS4 and belive me, your video is just a pinnacle of what happens in those ranked races with randoms...

Only today I had like 3 or 4 situations where I was chasing 1st guy pretty fast (some guy from the back that survived chaos on 1st corner, wasn't able to keep up the pace) and when I came near him, he just pushed me on the walls, ruining my race and his. Why they do this is beyond me, but of course I'm losing like 100 points (I had about 1950) and he is laughing, because he don't care. I see how good racers are being pushed right and left, it's just sad to watch and game is doing literally nothing to stop this. In Gran Turismo, every suspicious behavior results in ghosting his car and disqualification at some point. In F1 2019 you have free hand in online.... 

At one point I had like 10 videos with those morons and wanted to do some montage to show what idiots are playing this game. But I decided I won't be witchhunting... But if I will get really mad I will probably do it anyway.

BTW. I wonder if they didn't delayed GRID launch date because of the broken online ranking system. Delay information came up soon after our topic became popular 😂 I know it's just coincidence, or is it? 🤔

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