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@Hoo I know its not as simple to just code in a fix so we appreciate the reply! It would great if you didnt lose points, just got 0, its an unfortunate thing that the online experience is ruined by griefers and to see your score suffer at the hands of them is soul destroying

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Don't get me started.

starts are so terrible if you hve a couple of morons in the lobby.

4 times in a row i get sideslammed, rammed full from behind and cut off. It's soo dificult to use your eyes to see if there's someone beside you! Those ******* just steer in when your beside them! Just as if you're not there. 

And of course the ones causing it get nothing or a warning, the one receiving it 3 broken front wings and a penalty. 4 time race FUKKED because of *******.

THAT'S WHY I WANT NO ASSIST LOBBIES IN RANKED ONLINE! The no assist users are much more carefull at the start, and actually DO care about what happens around them. 

All those assist abusing nitwits think everyone will move aside for them. They even overtake you through the gras or gravel of they must. After all TC is made for offroading!

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36 minutes ago, AlexTT said:

Don't get me started.

starts are so terrible if you hve a couple of morons in the lobby.

4 times in a row i get sideslammed, rammed full from behind and cut off. It's soo dificult to use your eyes to see if there's someone beside you! Those ******* just steer in when your beside them! Just as if you're not there. 

And of course the ones causing it get nothing or a warning, the one receiving it 3 broken front wings and a penalty. 4 time race FUKKED because of *******.

THAT'S WHY I WANT NO ASSIST LOBBIES IN RANKED ONLINE! The no assist users are much more carefull at the start, and actually DO care about what happens around them. 

All those assist abusing nitwits think everyone will move aside for them. They even overtake you through the gras or gravel of they must. After all TC is made for offroading!

Ehhh I get what you're saying, but it's less about the assists and more about just not knowing how racing works.

I'm new to the F1 series, and still use all of the assists as I get used to how racing online works. I'm level 19 (so however many races that may be) and have an S safety rating. Me using all of the assists doesn't mean I don't know how to leave room for someone through a corner.

Bad racers are just bad racers, assists or not.

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10 minutes ago, baxnet1 said:

Ehhh I get what you're saying, but it's less about the assists and more about just not knowing how racing works.

I'm new to the F1 series, and still use all of the assists as I get used to how racing online works. I'm level 19 (so however many races that may be) and have an S safety rating. Me using all of the assists doesn't mean I don't know how to leave room for someone through a corner.

Bad racers are just bad racers, assists or not.

Absolutely true !!! + 1

Codemaster are aware of the problem and are now paying attention to it, I think it would be wise to remain patient and polite

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29 minutes ago, baxnet1 said:

Ehhh I get what you're saying, but it's less about the assists and more about just not knowing how racing works.

I'm new to the F1 series, and still use all of the assists as I get used to how racing online works. I'm level 19 (so however many races that may be) and have an S safety rating. Me using all of the assists doesn't mean I don't know how to leave room for someone through a corner.

Bad racers are just bad racers, assists or not.

I'm not saying all assist users are bad, but the majority plays for more than only this year, and they know how to abuse the assists in every way it suits them. You get my point? They recognize a non assist player, and instantly know that when they slam you sideways you will spin off. Or push you off track where they can go on en NA users not. And there are so many examples. 

S rating means jack ****, i went to a today, and was at s in 3 races again. 

Point is that when they PIT you, they won't be punished but you are done. 

NA drivers are far more cautious, that's why they are so cool to race against. Maximum carcontrol, on the edge, side by side, but not one of 2 will make a nasty move, where otherwise someone will not hesitate to steer you off track and they just keep going. And 9 out of 10 times you get a fat penalty for cutting corners or hitting another car.

as non assist player you have a target on your back, because even though you have actually got skilled to get better without assists, they are also the weakest because of the ease they get rammed off or whatever and it takes quite a lot of time to get going again because you will almost spin instantly when you look at the throttle

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22 minutes ago, pgendron said:

Absolutely true !!! + 1

Codemaster are aware of the problem and are now paying attention to it, I think it would be wise to remain patient and polite

Let me tell you this:

Codemasters is aware of this for years, but they don't give a damn. We have been asking for split lobbies, or keyboard support on consoles for years, what makes you think they suddenly come with a solution? They are aware of stuff for years. I give 1 rocksolid example:

SAFETY CAR.

Codemasters has said and promised so many things, and say they are aware, but it's the follow up what's missing year after year. 

I don't believe a word they say or what they promise anymore, until I actually see the proof on screen that it has been fixed.

promises promises. Don't believe everything you hear or see. I don't so codemasters at least can't dissappoint me anymore.

and this is just facts, not my opinion alone, but i think a lot of people can concur with what i say. And i don't care if they kick me of the forums or whatever. That only will proof even more that they can't deal with critisism and the truth about their lack of effort for everything we say.

but hey... 

 

they are aware! Remember these words. You will find it in the dictionary with description:

don't take codemasters words and promises seriously. They say A but B is never been seen.

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Whilst I think the skill system in need of major improvements, from what I can gather a lot of people here would like that to be resolved in order to best represent how they race. 

However, a lot of people are trying to increase their rank in order to obtain the trophy/achievement. The best way I can think of to allow people to get this trophy/achievement would be to amend the requirements. Previous versions have been to just obtain a rating. Another suggestion could be to amend the requirements to ask a player to improve their skill rating (Silver 2 -> Silver 3) for example

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11 hours ago, IITateyII said:

Whilst I think the skill system in need of major improvements, from what I can gather a lot of people here would like that to be resolved in order to best represent how they race. 

However, a lot of people are trying to increase their rank in order to obtain the trophy/achievement. The best way I can think of to allow people to get this trophy/achievement would be to amend the requirements. Previous versions have been to just obtain a rating. Another suggestion could be to amend the requirements to ask a player to improve their skill rating (Silver 2 -> Silver 3) for example

For the trophy side of things they should either change the requirements but i really think they need to change the skill system in how it rewards or removes points, For instance losing connection, Blue error screen or getting taken out in a race shouldn't result in you losing like a week worth of points you earned, Like a win might only give you 5 to 10 points at higher ranks but getting taken out the next race you could lose 300 points just like that through no error of your own you might lose a weeks progress when you work every day so only spend a few hours on it a day you get penalised way to heavy.

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19 hours ago, AlexTT said:

Codemasters has said and promised so many things, and say they are aware, but it's the follow up what's missing year after year. 

I don't believe a word they say or what they promise anymore, until I actually see the proof on screen that it has been fixed.

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they are aware! Remember these words. You will find it in the dictionary with description:

don't take codemasters words and promises seriously. They say A but B is never been seen.

 

I do not want to bypass the main subject of this thread, but I simply have a question: Why do you continue to buy their games year after year?

I do not expect an answer and I will not comment anymore on the subject, please just think about it ...

Cheers mate and hope to see you on track soon!

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15 minutes ago, pgendron said:

 

I do not want to bypass the main subject of this thread, but I simply have a question: Why do you continue to buy their games year after year?

I do not expect an answer and I will not comment anymore on the subject, please just think about it ...

Cheers mate and hope to see you on track soon!

I buy it because I'm a big F1 fan for 25 years and counting, and since there's game's available I have every game on hardcopy. It startet as fun, but now I want to have every year's hardcopy for my collection😉 this is also the only game I buy on hardcopy, the rest are digital buys.

So i also have F1 licensed games from other studio's.

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It amazes me more and more how in the weekly event I get put in a lobby full of red bars where I'm the only green bar, and safety rating B to D while I have S!?

no need to say that that race didn't end so well for me. It was like I was in a Mad Max movie. 

Offcourse those were all assist drivers and I see them overtaking in beggots and meggots through grass and shortcutting everywhere.

CM explain to me how that's in any form fair competition? Teleporting cars around who drive like they escaped the looney bin with those jackets still on? 

and on top of that, in the assist setting my ERS is set to manual, and in the race it's suddenly automatic???

 

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Okay. Again I lost some big points. Did 2 ranked races yesterday. Did get a p3 podium and a 4th place. Earning some skillpoint. I quite yesterday with 15xx points. I just started the game up and AGAIN lost points. Just vanished! I'm now 13xx skillpoints. 

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I'm starting to lose my mind right now.

weekly event, thought give it another shot. Beeing placed in lobby with lots of so called gold "skill" players and I immediately thought that hell has frozen over again. 

First of all my ERS was set to automatic AGAIN but I have it on manual, but okay.

race starts, and immediately the stupidity went to a next level. 50% went completely FULL ******.Cars spinning left and right, wonderous I could all dodge them. After half a lap I was from 10 to 5. Okay okay, i'll take it because the cheaters are impossible to catch and I don't want to ruin my tyres.

then it began, SAFETY CAR! And i got a very nasty feeling that that is going to get messy, and YES! Right away some mentally challenged guy is overtaking people and slamming them in the side, NAILING EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE 5 SECONDS TIME PENALTY! Like ***!? Someone is screwing literally 8 to 10 persons over (ME INCLUDED AND DAMAGE TO MY WING!!! FFS!!!)

HOW CAN SOMEONE DURING SAFETY CAR OVERTAKE PEOPLE, SIDESLAM THEM, AND THE VICTIMS GET PENALIZED!?!? He was just delibirately destroying everyone's race! 

Now the kicker! Apparently is safety car periods such a long time and not valculated that it SHOULD NOT INFLUENCE your score, but 198.000 points is a joke, coming from 294.000 in a race i was totally struggeling and slower then today because of someone who escaped a mental institute and 2 laps behind the safety car.

every race i run in weekly the **** get's worse and more broken! What a disaster that whole weekly event turns out to be.

horrible matchmaking included putting redbars with green bars. 

THIS IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE AND A JOKE! 

FIX YOUR ****!

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6 hours ago, TheVeryLazyTowel said:

This years system is broken in so many ways its not even funny.

In a 24 hour span, I raced 10-15 races winning 4 of them, going up anywhere from 15-40 points a win.  I then also had a few 3-5 finishes, in a near full lobby mind you. In this period I also had 2 DnF's from various players being horrible ie Spun into a wall, Accident ahead not ghosting when its 5 seconds away. In this span I went from a peak of 1,968 skill to now being 1,594. This is literally the worst ranking system due to the simple fact that if you are taking out via rage etc you are punished just as harshly, and in some cases worse than the perpetrator.

League racing and Single play it is then......

Moving this Here to the proper thread.

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I'M DONE WITH THUS BROKEN PIECE OF ****!

 

THE AI IN WEEKLY IS JUST AS CRAZY AS PLAYERS! I GET TAKEN OUT BY AI AND THEY FINISHED MY RACE! I thought I went nuts. 

IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR MORON PLAYERS, CODEMASTERS MADE SURE THE AI IS THE PERFECT SUBSTITUTE. AI DOESN'T HESITATE FOR A SECOND TO RAM YOU PIT YOU OR DO OTHER CRAZY ****! 

And best part was, I WAS LEADING THE RACE BUT HAD JUST MADE A STOP. 

There goes another good result down the toilet thanks to the wonderful programming of CODEMASTERS.

DID YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU HAVE REDBARS IN THE LOBBY THAT THE AI ALSO STARTS LAGGING LIKE CRAZY?

Really everything is designed to **** off the players as much as possible and completely destroy any form of fun in this piece of **** game! 

GODDAM! I'M SO ****** OFF RIGHT NOW! 

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Yet again another day i get blue error screen on PS4 mid race and lose 400+ points nice going Codemasters how should this even be possible knowing a console can crash or internet can cut out and you lose points from something like that is insane @Faya

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Hi @Faya here is some more screen shots to show you what we are dealing with, In italy I came second and my points went up by a few points, happy days, but not a whole lot? then I come 3rd in the german race and I lose points..how? its a podium place this kind of grind is crazy when there is absolutely no rhyme or reason to how points are distrubuted

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Come on Codemasters fix this ******* **** ******* game yet another day getting myself to 1800+ 4th lap out of a 5 lap race boom blue error screen and lose like 5 hours progress of skill rating you don't seem to understand how broken this skill system is, By now someone from the top should be replying to this and telling us how and when this skill system will be fixed it's a beyond a joke.

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Can we not all agree that the best skill point system for online ranked races would be to base it on real life and not the size of lobbies as i won yesterday in a 6 man lobby i got 1 point yes 1 point next race i finish 5th i lost 30 points that would take me 30 wins in that lobby to regain those lost points, This system doesn't work at all and penalize those in smaller lobbies quite heavy lets get it so it's a set format regardless of lobby size so just like real life:-

 

1st - 25 Points

2nd - 18 Points

3rd - 15 Points

4th - 12 Points

5th - 10 Points

6th - 8 Points

7th - 6 Points

8th - 4 Points

9th - 2 Points

10th - 1 Point

Also you could add an extra point for fastest lap now if you really wanted you could make - points for lower than 10th and make it backwards so 11th - -1 Point, 12th - -2 Points and so on this just seems like it should be something so simple to change i love racing online for the most part but this skill system is just so unfair due to rammers, game crashes, loss of connection etc.

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7 minutes ago, Lightsp33d1987 said:

Can we not all agree that the best skill point system for online ranked races would be to base it on real life and not the size of lobbies as i won yesterday in a 6 man lobby i got 1 point yes 1 point next race i finish 5th i lost 30 points that would take me 30 wins in that lobby to regain those lost points, This system doesn't work at all and penalize those in smaller lobbies quite heavy lets get it so it's a set format regardless of lobby size so just like real life:-

 

1st - 25 Points

2nd - 18 Points

3rd - 15 Points

4th - 12 Points

5th - 10 Points

6th - 8 Points

7th - 6 Points

8th - 4 Points

9th - 2 Points

10th - 1 Point

Also you could add an extra point for fastest lap now if you really wanted you could make - points for lower than 10th and make it backwards so 11th - -1 Point, 12th - -2 Points and so on this just seems like it should be something so simple to change i love racing online for the most part but this skill system is just so unfair due to rammers, game crashes, loss of connection etc.

This is an excellent idea, i support this 100%

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13 hours ago, Lightsp33d1987 said:

Can we not all agree that the best skill point system for online ranked races would be to base it on real life and not the size of lobbies as i won yesterday in a 6 man lobby i got 1 point yes 1 point next race i finish 5th i lost 30 points that would take me 30 wins in that lobby to regain those lost points, This system doesn't work at all and penalize those in smaller lobbies quite heavy lets get it so it's a set format regardless of lobby size so just like real life:-

 

1st - 25 Points

2nd - 18 Points

3rd - 15 Points

4th - 12 Points

5th - 10 Points

6th - 8 Points

7th - 6 Points

8th - 4 Points

9th - 2 Points

10th - 1 Point

Also you could add an extra point for fastest lap now if you really wanted you could make - points for lower than 10th and make it backwards so 11th - -1 Point, 12th - -2 Points and so on this just seems like it should be something so simple to change i love racing online for the most part but this skill system is just so unfair due to rammers, game crashes, loss of connection etc.

I think that's a fantastic idea, maybe less than the top 10 because obviously lobbies with 10 or less would always get points but your idea with some tiny tweaks would be great!

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I have no idea how you guys are keep putting up with this. Struggling to gain a few points then keep losing hundreds for one reason or another.

That's why...

On ‎7‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 8:34 AM, Lightsp33d1987 said:

Can we not all agree that the best skill point system for online ranked races would be to base it on real life and not the size of lobbies as i won yesterday in a 6 man lobby i got 1 point yes 1 point next race i finish 5th i lost 30 points that would take me 30 wins in that lobby to regain those lost points, This system doesn't work at all and penalize those in smaller lobbies quite heavy lets get it so it's a set format regardless of lobby size so just like real life:-

 

1st - 25 Points

2nd - 18 Points

3rd - 15 Points

4th - 12 Points

5th - 10 Points

6th - 8 Points

7th - 6 Points

8th - 4 Points

9th - 2 Points

10th - 1 Point

Also you could add an extra point for fastest lap now if you really wanted you could make - points for lower than 10th and make it backwards so 11th - -1 Point, 12th - -2 Points and so on this just seems like it should be something so simple to change i love racing online for the most part but this skill system is just so unfair due to rammers, game crashes, loss of connection etc.

This got my full support.

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I would mostly aggree to this excellent idea, as I also had a similar idea here:

Reward players with a fixed ammount of points descending from finishing Position (1 - 10, as in real live or maybe even until pos. 19).

Linking the rewarded points to:

1. number of Drivers in lobby

2. skill of Opponent drivers

3. Position Change(!!!)

 

I think we all agree here that there should not be any negative points. (or maybe even negative points could be linked to penalties, which could lead some of those crash-obsessed people to stop or just to meet on their own (when matchmaing will be ok), when they are down with their safety rating at C or D or whatever and all on Bronze skill Level). Because getting crashed at the start (due to somebody elses fault), getting a damage and then not being able to catch up to (even lower skilled drivers) and losing points for this is just the most annoying thing you can think about in this game at the moment. Yesterday I lost over 30 % of my safety Rating, because of a Crash at the start, but not even getting a warning - and also not afterwars during the rest of the race. That is just rediculous.

 

In career mode the commentators are constantly asking each other after the race who their "racer of the day" would be. At least in F1 2018 it has been mostly the racer who has gained the most positions during the race. So obviously the importance of gaining postions (and this making a successful race to some Players) is familiar to Codemasters, otherwise they would not have added those commentaries to the game. So why not link rewarded points to gained Position? maybe 1 Point for each gained position.

Of course also the fastest lap should be rewarded in skill points.

 

So let's say a win would give 25 Points. Starting from pos. 5, getting fastest lap in a Lobby of 15 against higher skilled opponents. That would be 25 + 4 + 1 = 30 points + x % for size of Lobby (I would suggest to a Bonus of max. 100% for a full Lobby, down to + 10% for a Lobby of 11 - lobbies of 10 or less just would be the fixed points) + x % for skill of opponents ( max. + 100% related to the ammount of opponents finished behind yourself having a higher skill). In this example the winner would get 25 + 4 + 1 + 15 + 30 = 75 points. This would also lead to maybe the second placed Driver getting more points than the winner (because maybe he had started way back in the grid and the winner started from pole position. But as I don't see the obtained points of my opponents and I really don't care, as long as I don't get penalized for making a good race. A good race is always linked to the starting position. That is obviously not minded in the Status quo of the skill Level.

Another Thing I have experienced is that if i did not make it through the qualifying because of entering the Lobby late and I will start from the back, I gain positions, but other Players quitting the session suddenly ending up me being last. Nevertheless for me it has been a successful race (because of gaining positions). It is not my fault if other Players quit during a race, so why should I get less points or even negative points for this? The number of divers in the Lobby should be fix at the beginning of the race session, so even if some Drivers quit there have to be given the points calculated on the originally ammount of Drivers. For example: starting in a race of 6, I am 2nd. 4 Players Crash and they all quit. So after they quit I am still 2nd. but not 2nd of 6, but 2nd of 2. Making me the last, although nobody overtook me or I made a mistake at all.

 

With this Kind of calculating the skill points I think it would be the best solution for all players to be happy. Because then their skill Level is indeed based on their skill (resp. on their effort) and not on luck or anybody's mood to crash or not to crash.

In the end it is still a game which is supposed to be fun for all. But due to these issues almost everybody playing is behaving like a raged Vettel. No race without crashes, because everyone's defending his position to the death (of the car) because nobody knows if he will get negative points after losing only one single position. Leading again to both Drivers getting negative points for crashing and ruining both races. Everybody would be much more relaxed if he knew that he still would get points although loosing a position. Then we would have much more racing and no demolition Derbys anymore.

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Talking about position change yeah points should be awarded somehow for that as for instance I started 19th and finished 5th and lost 20 odd points if someone can survive to get in the top 5 without dying surely that should be awarded skill points?

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