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When in qualifying it is natural to set the ers mode to hotlap in order to be the fastest possible. Maybe this is just an issue with the McLaren but I seem to have deployed too much energy by 80% of the lap and then aren't allowed to use any more for the rest- meaning i am slow. There is just a cross where the ers percentage would normally be. Anyone else have this issue? Surely you should be able to complete a full lap with ers setting on hotlap without running out- even on Hungary I ran out and there is so much breaking where can harvest more energy!

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There aren’t many tracks I’ve found that you can use hotlap deployment for the entire lap and not run out before the end of the lap.  Take Austria for example, since I just did that race last night so it’s fresh in my head and two IIRC it’s got the shortest lap on the game.  What I was doing to good affect, (qualified p9 in an Alfa, .15 seconds ahead of Kimi in p10) Was running Hotlap(5) up to 7th gear then switching to Overtake(4) until right before the brake zone then back up to (5) until you get to turns 5 and 6 which I’d then switch down to Medium (2) then back up to (5) coming out of T7, then down to high for T8-9, then back up to (5) then (4) once I hit 7th gear for the run to the line.

 

Basically you’ve got to decide where’s best to have limited deployment (usually tight twisty sections and traction zones) and where’s best to have maximum deployment (High Speed corners, DRS straights, etc.) And make it so you run out right on the line basically.  

 

A lot of the time (I’m only on S1 R10) you don’t have enough battery saved up to do a second lap in a row unfortunately but I’ve got a feeling once you do the ERS upgrades in the engine R&D you’ll end up with enough at the end to do a second lap which is why you want to run out right on the line when the deployment bar restarts, this way you don’t compromise the start of your second lap.  Also the current system of tire scaling prevents this but that’s a different issue I believe they will be fixing soon, hopefully.  This should also make ERS management during the race a little easier.  But don’t forget the hotlap mode was programmed by a guy from Codies and I’m sure he/they didn’t put the resources into planning out the deployment over the lap just right like the teams would IRL using GPS data and computers to simulate the most efficient and optimal places to deploy throughout the lap.

 

Sometimes I’ll do a lap on the track acclimation program in hotlap mode to see how short I’m going to end up being by the end of the quali lap and start making plans from there based on how the other programs go and how I gain and lose time vs. the different delta times for the practice programs.  I’m the type of player that is constantly changing fuel modes and ers modes for almost every corner and the straight that follows after, so if your not that type this may be a little more challenging for you, but you should be able to get the hang of it!

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28 minutes ago, adster2017 said:

When in qualifying it is natural to set the ers mode to hotlap in order to be the fastest possible. Maybe this is just an issue with the McLaren but I seem to have deployed too much energy by 80% of the lap and then aren't allowed to use any more for the rest- meaning i am slow. There is just a cross where the ers percentage would normally be. Anyone else have this issue? Surely you should be able to complete a full lap with ers setting on hotlap without running out- even on Hungary I ran out and there is so much breaking where can harvest more energy!

It may run out slightly before the end of a lap but surely not at 80%.

Also, hotlap isn't actually the fastest way to run a lap. Manually combining overtake, high and medium is the fastest way in theory.

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9 minutes ago, Andrew210227 said:

 

Also, hotlap isn't actually the fastest way to run a lap. Manually combining overtake, high and medium is the fastest way in theory.

Why is that? Aside from coming out of hairpins and slow corners, why not have it maxed as long as you're not conserving?

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9 minutes ago, DaleRossi said:

Why is that? Aside from coming out of hairpins and slow corners, why not have it maxed as long as you're not conserving?

Hotlap isnt max power, overtake is.

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8 minutes ago, Andrew210227 said:

Hotlap isnt max power, overtake is.

Well sh**. Ok, good to know.

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Hotlap is literally for that. A hotlap.
But it will run out at certain tracks before the lap is over.

Overtake is only useful in 7th and 8th... and is only really useful for overtaking. Hence its name.

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3 minutes ago, Bankai3987 said:

Hotlap is literally for that. A hotlap.
But it will run out at certain tracks before the lap is over.

Overtake is only useful in 7th and 8th... and is only really useful for overtaking. Hence its name.

At some tracks I just use hotlap because fiddling with the settings can get a bit complicated. But overtake is the max setting, not just in high gears. 

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20 minutes ago, Andrew210227 said:

But overtake is the max setting, not just in high gears. 

Overtake is the max ERS setting, but only useful for overtaking... most effective in the top gears.
Hotlap is basically the best of every setting, with more power.

Unless it's changed since the last game.

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12 minutes ago, Bankai3987 said:

Overtake is the max ERS setting, but only useful for overtaking... most effective in the top gears.
Hotlap is basically the best of every setting, with more power.

Unless it's changed since the last game.

No its not, and it wasnt last year either.

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Where does it indicate that Overtake (4) is the "Max Power" setting and Hotlap (5) is only for 1 lap or is this an assumption as to how this should be in the game?  Has anyone tested this on Time Trials or Practice sessions to see which one actually gives you a faster time?  I am curious now to see or get some verification on this as I've always assumed the Hotlap (5) setting was the fastest setting.

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15 minutes ago, bluwaters said:

Where does it indicate that Overtake (4) is the "Max Power" setting and Hotlap (5) is only for 1 lap or is this an assumption as to how this should be in the game?  Has anyone tested this on Time Trials or Practice sessions to see which one actually gives you a faster time?  I am curious now to see or get some verification on this as I've always assumed the Hotlap (5) setting was the fastest setting.

For me... personal experience and the word of MANY league racers.

Hotlap gives great acceleration, good power through the middle gears and sort of tails off in the top 2 gears. But it is the mode to use during Quali, on almost every circuit.
Overtake is the most powerful, as it gives all the ERS can give, but it's usefulness is limited to overtaking. Hence it's name.
You couldn't run overtake for a lap, and you'd lose out on deployment, total battery and acceleration compared to Hotlap.

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12 hours ago, Bankai3987 said:

For me... personal experience and the word of MANY league racers.

Hotlap gives great acceleration, good power through the middle gears and sort of tails off in the top 2 gears. But it is the mode to use during Quali, on almost every circuit.
Overtake is the most powerful, as it gives all the ERS can give, but it's usefulness is limited to overtaking. Hence it's name.
You couldn't run overtake for a lap, and you'd lose out on deployment, total battery and acceleration compared to Hotlap.

That’s true. You cant deploy Overtake for a full lap, and in reality its pretty useless on low gear acceleration due to wheelspin. But initial question was what the max deployment setting was. And thats overtake.

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I've had no issues maintaining hotlap mode for an entire lap on any track with any car... except, perplexingly, with the McLaren, both in 2018 and in 2019. I don't know if it's the draggy nature of the car or just the fact that it has the worst ERS, but managing it feels much harder than with any other car.

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6 hours ago, Andrew210227 said:

That’s true. You cant deploy Overtake for a full lap, and in reality its pretty useless on low gear acceleration due to wheelspin. But initial question was what the max deployment setting was. And thats overtake.

I'm not really shure but last year they said that Hotlap mode gives you more power in lower gears, where Overtake mode gives you more power in 7th and 8th gear for a bit more speed.

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13 minutes ago, Akkan74 said:

I'm not really shure but last year they said that Hotlap mode gives you more power in lower gears, where Overtake mode gives you more power in 7th and 8th gear for a bit more speed.

I seem to have significantly more trouble with wheelspin in lower gears with overtake than hotlap, which indicates the power already there. But that might be a mental issue on my part :classic_biggrin:

Shouldn't be to difficult to test, maybe I'll check it out this weekend.

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I just assumed Hotlap was good for just that..a hot LAP.  So, make that lap count.lol Or, you can run that lap and then turn ERS Off for the next to recharge and then go again. Or, go back to the Garage and hit it again if there is time.  

But, this is my first F1 game since 2013 or so.

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2 hours ago, Andrew210227 said:

I seem to have significantly more trouble with wheelspin in lower gears with overtake than hotlap, which indicates the power already there. But that might be a mental issue on my part :classic_biggrin:

Shouldn't be to difficult to test, maybe I'll check it out this weekend.

I will try it too, because if Overtake is the strongest mode also in lower gears, than Hotlap would be senseless. Except Overtake couldn’t stand a complete lap. 

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2 hours ago, DaleRossi said:

I just assumed Hotlap was good for just that..a hot LAP.  So, make that lap count.lol Or, you can run that lap and then turn ERS Off for the next to recharge and then go again. Or, go back to the Garage and hit it again if there is time.  

But, this is my first F1 game since 2013 or so.

No that is exactly how it is.

0 - No ERS deployment / Harvest only.
1 - Small ERS deployment / High harvest level.
2 - Consistent deployment of a suitable level / Suitable harvest level.
3 - Consistent high deployment / Low harvest level.
4 - Maximum power to aid overtaking at high speed / Very little harvest level. 
5 - Maximum power to get up to speed as quickly as possible, less effective at top speed / Very little harvest level.

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7 minutes ago, DaleRossi said:

Does WRS affect your diff at all? High harvest being a stronger diff?

No. Just power output and harvest.

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