buttonfan Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Don't tell me you're surprised? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yugin96 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 That had better be the last time Ferrari try something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 yugin96 said: That had better be the last time Ferrari try something like that. No way that's going to happen :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsofan46 Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 I don't see the problem. He wasn't jumped t the first stop and then they split their strategies.Don't tell me you thought Kimi would pit first and then still do a 2 stopper ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEqualTester Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) Yeah, I dunno. Edited August 16, 2019 by TheEqualTester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMSKRR Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Ferrari clearly favored Alonso there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yugin96 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 SILVERARR0WS said: I don't see the problem. He wasn't jumped t the first stop and then they split their strategies.Don't tell me you thought Kimi would pit first and then still do a 2 stopper ? No, but why did Kimi do a two stop to begin with? His lack of pace once Alonso had made his second stop was disastrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Alonso and Raikkonen were close all race. Fernando then passed him on circuit. Different strategies or not, the pass still happened on circuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yugin96 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Alonso had options ten laps younger than Raikkonen's primes. It was a strategy induced pass; whether or not it happened on circuit is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsofan46 Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 Who's fault is it that Kimi lost 17 seconds to Alonso ? fernando was on new tyres , yeah , but SEVENTEEN SECONDS ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 SILVERARR0WS said: Who's fault is it that Kimi lost 17 seconds to Alonso ? fernando was on new tyres , yeah , but SEVENTEEN SECONDS ? This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yugin96 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 The team's fault. If Raikkonen had gotten the first call into the pits and stayed on the same strategy, Alonso would never have gotten past. You saw how he was within a second of Kimi for almost the entire first stint and couldn't find a way through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRTheIceman Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Ferrari can support Alonso all they want, but he's never going to win a championship again with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsofan46 Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 KRTheIceman said: Ferrari can support Alonso all they want, but he's never going to win a championship again with them. Nobody's gonna win a championship with them for years@yugin96. Are you talking about the first stop or the second ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yugin96 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 The second one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsofan46 Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 Ferrari split their strategy. If Kimi wasn't so slow in that stint the 2 stopper would have worked. How was that Ferrari's fault ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yugin96 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Because the two stop was (in hindsight at least) the slower strategy for Ferrari. Raikkonen kept Alonso at bay for the first stint and could pull out a gap in the second. Now if Alonso were doing one stop more he should have pushed and passed Raikkonen, but he didn't. That indicates that Ferrari switched Kimi to a two stop belatedly which was why he was so slow for the rest of the second stint- his tyres were shot. Alternatively, they switched Alonso to a three stop which again benefitted him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommig1995 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Classic Kimi! http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9307290/kimi-speechless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VetteIfan Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I agree with yugin. Along with all the points he mentions, Alonso was 2 seconds a lap faster than Raikkonen after his second stop, so that's basically 11 laps of clear running to eradicate the gap lost in the pit stop. Not much to cover in a 66 lap race and I find it difficult to believe that just slipped under Ferrari's noses. On another point though, doing some basic number crunching it's clear Red Bull have made strides on Mercedes performance advantage, at least in race trim. Ricciardo finished 48 seconds behind the Mercedes. He was 20 seconds behind when it came to his first stop, but we can presume he had much more pace in the car considering he was swarming all over the back of Bottas in the first stint. But anyway that means in 52 laps of near enough identical running, in clean air and with the same strategy, Ricciardo lost a further 28 seconds. That's around 0.54 a lap. Still fairly significant admittedly, but considering we are to assume Mercedes were lapping to somewhere near maximum as they were fighting each other hard, it's certainly less than it has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRTheIceman Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 But if they don't give Alonso an advantage he will throw his toys out the pram again, and again, and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator f1since08 Posted May 11, 2014 Moderator Share Posted May 11, 2014 Maldonado is now a third of the way to being the first driver to be banned for a race for penalty points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRTheIceman Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 fIsince08 said: Maldonado is now a third of the way to being the first driver to be banned for a race for penalty points. All he has to do is crash 20 or so more times and he might get there. He's dangerous, should be banned outright immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codemasters Staff Britpoint Posted May 11, 2014 Codemasters Staff Share Posted May 11, 2014 Can't wait till Monaco now. Lewis keeps coming out on top in these fights, but we know how good Nico is around Monte Carlo. Yes, the Mercs are still going to be a second or so ahead of the rest, which is a shame, but hopefully there will be another close fight between the two. Maybe one on old rubber, and one on new softs, a la Senna and Mansell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 VetteIfan said: I agree with yugin. Along with all the points he mentions, Alonso was 2 seconds a lap faster than Raikkonen after his second stop, so that's basically 11 laps of clear running to eradicate the gap lost in the pit stop. Not much to cover in a 66 lap race and I find it difficult to believe that just slipped under Ferrari's noses. On another point though, doing some basic number crunching it's clear Red Bull have made strides on Mercedes performance advantage, at least in race trim. Ricciardo finished 48 seconds behind the Mercedes. He was 20 seconds behind when it came to his first stop, but we can presume he had much more pace in the car considering he was swarming all over the back of Bottas in the first stint. But anyway that means in 52 laps of near enough identical running, in clean air and with the same strategy, Ricciardo lost a further 28 seconds. That's around 0.54 a lap. Still fairly significant admittedly, but considering we are to assume Mercedes were lapping to somewhere near maximum as they were fighting each other hard, it's certainly less than it has been. You better don't put up your hopes for this season anymore Seb. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRTheIceman Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 To be fair I still see Red Bull as top dogs for next season, their development team is second to none. Hopefully Dan will lead instead of the other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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