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Do you think the pricing for Season 3 + 4 is reasonable? [POLL]  

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  1. 1. Do you think the price is reasonable?

    • Yes, US$30 is reasonable
      38
    • No, US$25 would be more reasonable
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    • No, US$20 would be more reasonable
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Personally i was a bit surprised with the pricing. gotta admit i expected this to be i expected this to be US$20. i bought the deluxe edition so had no idea what S1+2 cost. guessing it was also $30.

but maybe i'm in the minority in terms of the thinking the pricing is a bit steep so thought i'd make a poll.

leave your thoughts on the pricing below.

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If you never played Dirt Rally 1, then it’s probably a great deal, 2 new rally’s and some famous rally cars. However, the excitement and value is dampened a little if you are still very familiar with those cars and rallies from the previous game. 

Most season 4 is new to the series i guess though, so that’s something. 

 

I think it would be good value if it wasn’t mainly recycled.

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Personally, I'm fine with the pricing - I'm probably only going to get the locations and F2 cars in the new set (not a fan of RX and I don't like the 2001 cars being in the same class as the late 2000s ones) and think the prices are more than reasonable for piece-by-piece content too.

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prices for the deluxe s1/s2 were the same as s3/s4. the thing is that those of us who bought the deluxe version of the base game together paid a lot less, yeah.

(these are all Steam prices, btw, and in USD because that's what OP is talking about and that's the base price on Steam. the prices are a bit different in other countries Canadians essentially get a 13-15% discount - depending on the item - because of the exchange rate: https://steamdb.info/app/690790/)

difference in price between base game and deluxe edition of the game was 20 USD, and the new DLC is 30 USD, so we essentially paid 10 USD less for Season 1/2 than we are being asked to for Season 3-4.

I didn't really play DR1, so all the remastered locations I am ultra happy with. however....

the thing for me is that Season 1+2 had 4 rally locations and 8 cars, whereas Season 3+4 have 2 rally locations and 6 cars. I play and like RX, but  I just don't value that content as much (and I suspect most people who play the game feel the same way), and so I am not super happy paying that much money, especially when (in my opinion of course) they could've just added the 2019 cars that aren't in the game already - Clio, Mini, Ibiza etc. at normal price and then given us the new liveries for the models that are already in the game (Megane, 208, S1 etc.), either for free or in a cheapish paid bundle.

I'll buy it piecemeal as it comes out or get it in a sale. I want to support, because I love this game (I have 350 hours so far in it) but 30$ for that much rally content (and no Spa RX track, nor the Hyundai RX... not their fault I know, but still) is just a bit much for me.

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I'm good with the pricing. no complains from my side. 

Season pass costs 25 euro here. So for one season its € 12,50.

Season 3 gets
- 3 locations. 3 x 3,50 = 10,50
- 6 cars. 6 x 1,40 = 8,40
- 3 livery packs. Which were free as far as I know. But need to own the season passes I guess?
So you could save about 7 euro IF season 3 was standalone for sale AND the price would have been also 12,50.

Season 4 gets
- 2 locations. 2 x 3,50 = 7
- 5 new RX cars, 4 updated to 2019 spec RX cars. 9 x 1,40 = 12,60
- 3 livery packs. Free, but need season pass.
Also now you would save about 7 euro (35%)

In case of Rodger I can understand as he focuses on Rally.

But it is all about perpective.
- If I go a night out, but some shots and some cocktails, maybe some food and my bank account also lost 50 euro. Yes, I had 6 hours of fun maybe, but the next day I also have a possible hangover. 
- Same if you go to the cinema, watch a new movie, get some beers. Also going towards 20 euros for 2-3 hours of film and some beers. 

In case of new DLC content, it could give a lot more hours of fun for the same price. Luckily I am quite in a position that I can afford most things, but I can also understand that for many it is not the case (I also was a poor student once 😛 )

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Say what you want about the pricing, but I'd hardly expect the DLC to be handed out for free like some people would like it to be!
Believe it or not, porting the cars and locations from DR1 to DR2 is more work than just CTRL+C CTRL+V - employees need to be paid somehow for the time spent on this work.

 

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I personally think the price for both seasons is reasonable, though I accept that I may be in the minority as I am excited by both new rally and rallycross content. 

Season 3 has certainly got off to an encouraging start, as both the new 2000cc additions are brilliant fun (especially the Focus!). 

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The pricing is more than fair. These are fully remastered assets, both the cars and the stages. $30 for two DLC expansions is extremely reasonable, especially if we start comparing to other games - even more so if we start looking at racing titles too. If you don't want S4, don't buy it. The S3 content is like what, $20 for all Rally content full MSRP? 

More than worth it because you are easily going to get more than 20 hours worth of playtime out of it. And if you buy the S3+S4 bundle, we all know you will be getting more than 30 hours worth of playtime from that content. You aren't going to get that kind of return on investment for most entertainment you would spend money on.
 

4 minutes ago, Fanatyk91 said:

Game have worse reviews than even WRC7 by the way.

Only because asshats like to go on their and post negative reviews with all of 4 hours of playtime. Spouting nonsense and complaining about things they literally have zero knowledge on. If you look at any real reviews of the game from people who actually have time in it and gave it objective reviews - holy **** wow they all praise the game as a massive step forward

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40 minutes ago, Fanatyk91 said:

I wonder if Greece and Finland will have more than one rain settings or it will be disappointing like Wales with heavy rain only. Game have worse reviews than even WRC7 by the way.

I’d happily swap Greece with rain for Greece with more time of day options...

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9 minutes ago, Mike Dee said:

Only because asshats like to go on their and post negative reviews with all of 4 hours of playtime. Spouting nonsense and complaining about things they literally have zero knowledge on. If you look at any real reviews of the game from people who actually have time in it and gave it objective reviews - holy **** wow they all praise the game as a massive step forward

People who don't like particular game don't play it. People with 200+ hours must like game if they have spent so much time playing it, so what reviews do you expect from them?
Maybe people make negative reviews because promised VR works like (put here rude word), hmmmmm?
Maybe because the game cost as much as AAA title but got bugs and problems like indie game and Codemasters just ignore some of these problems?
Like invisible particles on Monte Carlo? Like always online DRM feature and Racenet performance? Like clubs website with tons of inactive trash without any sort or filter option to find anything interesting? Man, you can't even compare in-game your stage time with others, lol. Maybe because your car setup resets to default after every stage? Maybe because of missing content like weather settings in Wales? Or maybe because they released sim rally game without FFB? Maybe because medium and hard tires have no any sense? Sound issues? Who cares.
But yeah, fanboys never see any defects of their beloved game and those who see these flaws are just asshats.

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3 minutes ago, Fanatyk91 said:

But yeah, fanboys never see any defects of their beloved game and those who see these flaws are just asshats.

Lol the actual fans of this game have ripped it a new one. We have pointed out every flaw and called CM out on it. But we also don't ignore the actual core gameplay underneath all of that. We can be objective in saying "X is done amazingly well, Y was shortcut, and Z is a flaming pile of garbage" - but we don't just blindly post asinine reviews of games with only 3 hours on record. You don't need 100 hours of gameplay, but to act like you have any actual informed opinion of the game with <10 hours played? Yeah your review is worthless then...

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2 minutes ago, Mike Dee said:

Lol the actual fans of this game have ripped it a new one. We have pointed out every flaw and called CM out on it. But we also don't ignore the actual core gameplay underneath all of that. We can be objective in saying "X is done amazingly well, Y was shortcut, and Z is a flaming pile of garbage" - but we don't just blindly post asinine reviews of games with only 3 hours on record. You don't need 100 hours of gameplay, but to act like you have any actual informed opinion of the game with <10 hours played? Yeah your review is worthless then...

 

Game had mostly positive (~75%) latest steam reviews before last update. Now it's 49%. Hmmm

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53 minutes ago, Fanatyk91 said:

 

Game had mostly positive (~75%) latest steam reviews before last update. Now it's 49%. Hmmm

Mainly because of VR having technical issues, unfortunately.

Maybe after 1.8 it’ll rise again since there are some fixes there 🙂 

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8 hours ago, Mike Dee said:

These are fully remastered assets, both the cars and the stages.

this doesn't appear to be the case though as the Subaru has pretty low texture quality, at least on the interior. we saw the same problem with the 2007 Focus, where the quality of the engine and engine bay with the hood open in the service area was really bad, especially compared to the Impreza WRC/'rally'. And some of the stickers on the exterior of the car too.

i think they are literally just copying and pasting some of these cars over from DR1/Dirt 4.

then there are so many questions about some of them. is the 206 going to come with a sh1tty livery like the Fords? what about the new Golf? why can't CM get the Martini livery for the 01 Focus when Kylotton can get it for the Lancia? Is the 206 even going to have a proper engine sound or will it just have the Focus engine sound like the Skoda?

For the 'new' Rx cars that are coming in S4 it seems we will probably just get the 2018 cars with new liveries. My guess anyway.

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9 hours ago, RodgerDavies said:

I’d happily swap Greece with rain for Greece with more time of day options...

Amen to this. As much as I love the game, I don’t understand the lack of daytime variance. As I recall, DR1 did a better job in that domain. Not sure if it is an ‘easy fix’, but I would imagine not seeing as all the environments are rendered with preset lighting conditions...and so I would think a lot of work would be needed to render the environments with more times of day.

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The current audience for this type of game is WAY to small to be nickle and diming customers with these prices. Yes, you will get the Rally hardcore buying everything, but you won't tap into a much larger 'rally curious' audience, you won't grow new fans and you'll **** off as many long time customers as you end up pleasing.

I still think CMs should have either:

a) waited 6 months and polished the bugs, built FFB that worked, finished VR and release everything as the base game - OR at the very least combined S1,2,3,4 as the 'Deluxe' part for an extra $20.

or

b) released the seasons as free updates

Either one of those options combined with what is a fundamentally brilliant base game, would have made this title as big or a bigger cult classic than DR1.

EDIT: Yes I realise 'cult classic' implies a niche audience, but DR1 sales figures were pretty damn good afaik - which is what I'm getting at.

10 hours ago, Mike Dee said:

We have pointed out every flaw and called CM out on it

Literally spat my coffee reading that from you. LOL

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I'm in the U.K so I wont vote on the price, over here its £24.99 and worth every penny in my book. 15 cars, 2 rally stages and the rallycross stages. Awesome. I hope they do more seasons. It's not very often we get a very good rally game come along, I hope they support it for a long time, this game will last me years as it is

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Problem is we are all too spoiled .....................go out to eat 2 times less,and voila you have the money for the season 3 and 4 DLC, IMHO. I mean i only buy 3-4 games a year and to know that i can budget for something i love has always  been a priority over simple things i can control do without.

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Season 3 is a joke. 

 

It's a kick in the teeth for those of us who already bought the game & season pass,

 

Add to that the fact that today I tried to enter a daily event (H1 FWD, New Zealand) that I've played a hundreds times since Dirt Rally 2.0 released & I'm told I need to buy the new season pass to play it because they're now calling it a D+ event.  

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In good old Euro land the price equates to ~33.16USD. Theres no way i will dish out that sorta money on ANOTHER(!) season pass. There is no relation between the pricing of the base game, 50€, and the pricing of the season passes, 60€, when you look at the content they provide respectively.

 

The base game provides you with:

-THE ACTUAL GAME(!!)

-6 locations (Argentinia, Australia, New Zealand, Poland, Spain, USA) and 8 RX tracks (Belgium, Canada, England, France, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden)

-39 rally cars (3 h1 cars, 2 h2 fwd cars, 4 h2 rwd cars, 6 h3 cars, 5 group b awd cars, 3 r2 cars, 4 group a cars, 2 nr4 cars, 6 r5 cars, 4 rgt cars)

-12 RX cars ( 3 s1600 cars, 1 crosskart, 1 rx2 car, 7 rx supercars)

 

Now look at what is in the season passes you dish out MORE money on than the base game

-6 locations (Finland, Germany, Greece, Monaco, Sweden, Wales) and 5 RX tracks (Abu Dhabi, England the second, Germany, Latvia, South Africa)

-14 rally cars (4 group b rwd cars, 3 f2 cars, 7 2000cc cars)

-12 RX cars (4 group b rallycross reskins and 8 2019 rx supercars many of which are in the base game in their non 2019 flavour)

 

More content is good. I like the content. However, they're not worth more than 30 euro COMBINED, which is why it better recieve the same 50% discount season 1+2 did. Then its well worth it.

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@TheRealPhil @nashathedog I see both of you are kinda dissapointed Greece and Finland were not included in 1st deluxe pack... however when I had written somewhere on the forum that most players assumed  they will be included there, I was criticised and told I require too much...

 

The point is, I understand that game such like DR2.0 has to be kinda expensive (expensive to produce due to licenses and actual cost of modelling real stages but rather small audience), however I still find it's pricing policy not user-friendly.

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@Pioy I'd be fine with the multiple season passes if the pricing were right. It simply isnt though, the math does not add up when you look at the content i so elaborately summarized for easy comparison. What it boils down to is that at 30€, the combined S1-4 would offer about the same content/price ratio the base game does. Or 15€ for s1-2 and s3-4.

I am ready to pay that for content a lot of which was in DR because im aware a lot of work has gone into improving and importing it into DR2.0. Valuing that higher than the work they put into the base game content is simply wrong though, i dont get how people get the idea it wasnt.

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@TheRealPhil That's why I'm just going to buy what is interesting for me and when it will be discounted. However I'm extremely curious what about future seasons, becouse they have to contain non-recycled content (despite I will probably love Finland and like Greece).

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@TheRealPhil the DLC is almost doubling the content of the game though.

We went from 6 -> 12 rally stages

We went from 8 -> 13 RX stages

We went from 12 -> 24 RX cars

 

Sure, we didn't get as many Rally cars, I'll concede that. But we did nearly double the rest of the content, bringing in entirely new classes on top of it. $60 for the base game, and $60 to enhance it with almost double the content seems pretty fair to me. Maybe $20/ea would be a better price? But $30 for ALL of the content? Nah, you're crazy. There is way more than 30 hours worth of content in each bundle, so the prices are very fair.

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Hm, I paid 90€ for the base game (deluxe edition retail) + steelbook.

Now 27€ for S3+4-pass.

Assuming S1+2-pass is also 27€ here standalone:

117€ - 27€ - 27€ = 63€ for the base game. And 54€ for S1-4.

 

Yes, the DLC is more expensive compared to the content in the base game.

But...why?

I tell you: Because not everyone with a copy of the game will buy the DLC. It is extra content for the hardcore fanbase. DLC is always a bit more expensive in relation to the content in the base game. They do it to keep the game alive + squeeze a bit more money out of the game for better sales figures.

Developing videogames is pretty expensive these days and this way they can keep the 60€ target for the base game. I bought 20 years ago games for that price (and even more) for far less content and (obviously) worse tech.

 

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@Mike Dee

Its 14 rally cars compared to 39.

Valuing each piece of new content equal, we get 78% of the content the base game had. The base game is 50€, 78% of which is 39€. Fine. 

Now, I do not like that comparison as the base game undoubtedly took more work, time, effort and MONEY to release than the dlc content. More development, programming, completely new assets, new UI, changes to the engine. It's a whole game, not just content.

39€? I guess I could get myself to pay that, the dlc content didnt cost them 78% as much as developing the game but Codies gotta eat aswell. But 60€ is downright scummy, far from fair as you have stated.

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You have to remember this is a “niche” market. Whether they sell 1,000,000 or 1,000 downloads the development time is the same. If they sold the quantity of dlc a game like Call of Duty does they could easily sell the dlc cheaper.

The majority agree that supporting further seasons is preferable to releasing a new game every couple of years. If you want this to continue you need to recognise that it has to be profitable.

cheer up. You can spend £15 for a single locomotive in Train Sim World.

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11 hours ago, TheRealPhil said:

@Mike Dee

Its 14 rally cars compared to 39.

Valuing each piece of new content equal, we get 78% of the content the base game had. The base game is 50€, 78% of which is 39€. Fine. 

Now, I do not like that comparison as the base game undoubtedly took more work, time, effort and MONEY to release than the dlc content. More development, programming, completely new assets, new UI, changes to the engine. It's a whole game, not just content.

39€? I guess I could get myself to pay that, the dlc content didnt cost them 78% as much as developing the game but Codies gotta eat aswell. But 60€ is downright scummy, far from fair as you have stated.

You're forgetting to factor in the extra costs that they are charged by MS, Sony, steam etc for digital content sales. Not entirely sure of the figures and obviously it changes per country but they all take a large slice per sale, sure I read it eats more into their profit than disk manufacturing costs. That taxation is transferred onto us. Something to think about maybe. 

Or not, it doesn't really bother me, I tend to look at how good a game is, how rare it is we get a very good game in that genre, and how many hours of fun I am going to have from it. DR2.0 is amazing, we dont get many rally titles, let alone good ones, and I already have hundreds of hours on it, I'm not prepared to miss out on content because it may be a few £ over what I wanted to pay, and nor am I prepared to waste something even more valuable to me, my time, on thinking about the few £. 

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4 hours ago, battfinkz said:

You're forgetting to factor in the extra costs that they are charged by MS, Sony, steam etc for digital content sales. Not entirely sure of the figures and obviously it changes per country but they all take a large slice per sale, sure I read it eats more into their profit than disk manufacturing costs. That taxation is transferred onto us. Something to think about maybe. 

Or not, it doesn't really bother me, I tend to look at how good a game is, how rare it is we get a very good game in that genre, and how many hours of fun I am going to have from it. DR2.0 is amazing, we dont get many rally titles, let alone good ones, and I already have hundreds of hours on it, I'm not prepared to miss out on content because it may be a few £ over what I wanted to pay, and nor am I prepared to waste something even more valuable to me, my time, on thinking about the few £. 

Everyone has to pay the same to these people and there's no country to country or developer to developer favouritism where cost is involved. Personally I preferred the old days where a game had a single description and a season pass involved all content developers intended releasing for the lifespan of the game. It's simple, 100% transparent and absolutely nobody can get upset about who is paying what at whichever time they choose to buy a game.

But in saying that, price has to reflect content and now that (for some) Dirt Rally 2 is officially a £100 game my personal feeling is that in when you like for like the content in this game against other racing/driving games then, well, decide for yourself if the price represents genuine value for money. Besides which, I will never ever purchase a game that's going to cost me in excess of £100 and I know i've said this before but if I would have been made aware from the off that in order to receive the rally content from Dirt Rally 1 I would have to continue purchasing beyond the deluxe edition then I would never have bought that version of the game in the first place. But hey, lesson learned and duly noted. Transparency - it's a much forgotten word nowadays. 

Anyhow, I made my decision - and that was to spend the extra £1.85 on top of the price of S3+S4 to buy Wreckfest (XB1). 

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15 minutes ago, _BorisTheFrog_ said:

Everyone has to pay the same to these people and there's no country to country or developer to developer favouritism where cost is involved. Personally I preferred the old days where a game had a single description and a season pass involved all content developers intended releasing for the lifespan of the game. It's simple, 100% transparent and absolutely nobody can get upset about who is paying what at whichever time they choose to buy a game.

But in saying that, price has to reflect content and now that (for some) Dirt Rally 2 is officially a £100 game my personal feeling is that in when you like for like the content in this game against other racing/driving games then, well, decide for yourself. Besides which, I will never ever purchase a game that's going to cost me in excess of £100 and I know i've said this before but if I would have been made aware from the off that in order to receive the rally content from Dirt Rally 1 I would have to continue purchasing beyond the deluxe edition then I would never have bought that version of the game in the first place. But hey, lesson learned and duly noted. Transparency - it's a much forgotten word nowadays. 

Anyhow, I made my decision - and that was to spend the extra £1.85 on top of the price of S3+S4 to buy Wreckfest (XB1). 

The costs certainly do differ from country to country. Take Brazil for example. Someone I know has to pay 200 BRA real for this new season pass, which is a whopping £40. But my point was that digital content incurs more charges.

 

I look at it from another perspective, the base game was standard price, it wasnt a £100 game, the base version had the typical codies rally title amount of content, the optional dlc is just that, optional. It will only appeal to people who love playing the game, as it's worth the money for the amount of hours they will play it. They were always clear about what content the first seasons had, and we all knew there was more dr1 content not announced like Finland and Greece, and put 2 and 2 together.

But each to their own mate, they'll never please all of us, it's an impossible task

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When someone says "the game was £60, why is the DLC £60", the answer is economy of scale.

The DLC is optional, buy it if you are into the game (as folk on this forum are) and want to expand upon that. But it will sell much less than a brand new game. 

Honestly, I don't look at games which aren't sold as a foundation for ongoing development any more; it's just much better IMO. Assetto Corsa, Warhammer TW, Hearts of Iron IV (actually, Paradox take it too far for my liking so I don't really buy), Il2 Strurmovik BoS, ARMA3... I much prefer this model to the 'EA Sports' or 'COD' model of releasing a new title each year personally.

So yes, I'm happy with the prices and I wouldn't mind the opportunity to spend even more on rally DLC in future! 

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3 minutes ago, battfinkz said:

The costs certainly do differ from country to country. Take Brazil for example. Someone I know has to pay 200 BRA real for this new season pass, which is a whopping £40. But my point was that digital content incurs more charges.

 

 

Unless i'm hopelessly misreading things your point was focusing on developer costs and not differing consumer prices in various regions.

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1 minute ago, RodgerDavies said:

W I much prefer this model to the 'EA Sports' or 'COD' model of releasing a new title each year personally.

So yes, I'm happy with the prices and I wouldn't mind the opportunity to spend even more on rally DLC in future! 

It's interesting you should say that because the original COD policy on XBox 360 was always that of a single season pass covering all content - and I know because I bought them (COD:WAW thru to Blops 2). Thinking a little further forward EA/Digital Illusions released Battlefield 1 with the same 'one price buys all' policy so it kind of does prove that you can release sensibly priced DLC alongside a triple A game that appeals to both casual and hardcore gamers alike. You can't even argue that rally is a niche product and DLC pricing is reflective of that point because DR1 generated multi-million pound sales - and that my friend is most definately not niche. 

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11 hours ago, _BorisTheFrog_ said:

Unless i'm hopelessly misreading things your point was focusing on developer costs and not differing consumer prices in various regions.

Apologies if I didnt make myself clear. I was indeed referring to costs. Simply wanted to point out that the base game is more expensive via digital due to the added losses they get from digital sales, so realistically content within dlc costs more than it does in the base game as they pass those stoppages onto us. I was not sure if you were comparing the base game on disk price or digital.

 

And I am in no way 'sniping' at anyone if that was aimed at me, nothing wrong with a healthy back and forth on a forum 😉

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