Too much grip !!

[PiotrAS191 0]

https://youtu.be/-S9xsZ_yOz8?t=22s - This footage shows how high the grip is car slides into tight corner at high speed, and just slows down and engine has problem power sliding through the corner. 
This is so frustrating because you cant slide the car without using the handbrake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1e6zW4ok2w  - in this video group a impreza is just sliding at every corner, in game you cant do that because car is slowing down and understerring. The second problem is too low weight of the car (no weight balance play with the car at the moment, but that might be due to high grip level).

[Cafours 0]

Your setup is wrong.

If you want front end grip into corners and more slidey slidey move the brake bias towards the back of the car and tighten up the rear diff.

[Ledanek 0]

PiotrAS191 said:

https://youtu.be/-S9xsZ_yOz8?t=22s - This footage shows how high the grip is car slides into tight corner at high speed, and just slows down and engine has problem power sliding through the corner. 
This is so frustrating because you cant slide the car without using the handbrake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1e6zW4ok2w  - in this video group a impreza is just sliding at every corner, in game you cant do that because car is slowing down and understerring. The second problem is too low weight of the car (no weight balance play with the car at the moment, but that might be due to high grip level).

that setup is actually at DEFAULT.
I can power slide on tracks that I'm more familiar with.

as Cafours mentioned; you have to find that setup that you are familiar with. this will take time, as I have experience so far.
IMHO some instances, I felt the car to be too heavy, causing the car to "dig in" during a turn.  You'll have to break early then immediately throttle to round the corners sometimes...not all the time.
watch some unedited rallying and you'll see, not everyone power slides into a corner.

[DabScience 0]

I feel like some of you will never be happy until these cars how no grip whatsoever. As for the sliding corners, just like @Cafours 
said, it's all about your car setup. 

As for weight of the car, I do slightly agree with you. The weight transfer can seem a bit off, but not always. 

[Cafours 0]

absolutley, infact you will see on a lot of uneditied stuff that drivers go a lot more neutral than you think, slidey slidey is high risk as if you need to correct you don't have a s much control.

[SamRWD 2]

It is not about the setup. RWD car cannot powerslide as seen in the footage, because engine cannot cope with the grip level. Here You can see the same (too high grip, this time it's AWD)
 https://youtu.be/NsI-OZgArak?t=9m56s 
In real life You'd be done. In DiRT You don't need to brake before the corner.

[Cafours 0]

see thats pretty odd, i've been driving the 6r4 and its been a huge handful! 
Alsso helps if you turn off ALL of the assists....
http://www.twitch.tv/ca4s/c/6623511

[SamRWD 2]

Cafours said:

see thats pretty odd, i've been driving the 6r4 and its been a huge handful! 
Alsso helps if you turn off ALL of the assists....
http://www.twitch.tv/ca4s/c/6623511

Good example at 0:55. Car stops over few meters.
EDIT:
For a contrast- here is how long it takes to brake from sixth gear into left two short corner:
https://youtu.be/AaP1vNZCCSU?t=1m
(ff to 1:00)

[Cafours 0]

aye and at 55 i actually overshot massively, was fully cadence braking and had a fistfull of handbrake.

[SamRWD 2]

Cafours said:

aye and at 55 i actually overshot massively, was fully cadence braking and had a fistfull of handbrake.

Yeah I know You overshoot, my intention WAS NOT to make fun of You, or anything. It's just a representation of how high the grip is. And we're talking gravel here. I won't post the same video over and over, You can see how Monte Carlo is off. Greece is just as wrong, Kubica's onboard applies to that rally as well.
EDIT: Straight from Greece:
https://youtu.be/gAPbS9Viw3M?t=55s

[PiotrAS191 0]

As you can see on this video https://youtu.be/dbfZayu6SQ8?t=1m47s the car is getting understeer while pressing the gas pedal, and then watch this https://youtu.be/-S9xsZ_yOz8?t=22s .  And another issue of game is no inertia, when you go sideways and relase the gas pedal like this https://youtu.be/59dHABgEAIw?t=54s the car is getting immediately grip and understerring (that might be due to high grip level).

[SamRWD 2]

Exactly. Just to complete reference videos, here is braking from sixth gear into thirth (it's 3 tightens, colin uses gear description instead angle system)
https://youtu.be/5a4X6n4igus?t=29s
Notice how long it takes him to slow down, AND HE STILL GOES TOO FAST!
EDIT:
I strongly recommend for everyone to watch whole fideo (it's just 7 mins long) as there is also some great gravel footage. Car dances from corner to corner. Not in DiRT.

[PiotrAS191 0]

I thinkg you guys should gone for some ride on the gravel and try the basic techniques of rallying like left foot, 

scandinavian flick, have some fun with weight distribution and sideways and the play the game, you should notice that

something is wrong, weight distributon doesnt work, left foot isnt like in a real car etc. 

BTW: We should drove a e-mail to Codemasters!

BTW2: Codemaster, you should employ some top rally drivers and guys from RBR Real Physic and NGP for testing the game !!

[SamRWD 2]

Weight distribution is non existent at the moment (as is any kind of inertia). Left foot works well in FWD, but AWD doesn't benefit from it at all. Developers are supposed to watch forums (I was actually refered here when I asked some questions over FB), but if You'd sent them an email that could catch their attention. I am always ready to discuss this matter with anyone.

[Cafours 0]

PiotrAS191 said:

I thinkg you guys should gone for some ride on the gravel and try the basic techniques of rallying like left foot, 

scandinavian flick, have some fun with weight distribution and sideways and the play the game, you should notice that

something is wrong, weight distributon doesnt work, left foot isnt like in a real car etc. 

BTW: We should drove a e-mail to Codemasters!

BTW2: Codemaster, you should employ some top rally drivers and guys from RBR Real Physic and NGP for testing the game !!

One of the devs has been privateer rallying since the release of dirt 4

[SamRWD 2]

I thought he was codriving, that's pretty cool!
Now back to the topic- do You mean real life onboards that show completely different grip levels are fake, and DiRT is reality?
EDIT: Btw I can assure You I can give You dozens of real life drivers opinion on DiRT, we have those guys actively commenting on various RBR forums. Most of them agree on grip level being too high. Also everyone complains on RBR grip, and that game was developed with Richard Burns's help.

[RallyDriven 398]

Do remember that you are watching videos of the best drivers in the world driving as fast as possible. If you drive it as fast as Colin then you will get the same effect!

coming from someone who competes in real life, DiRT is more accurate than RBR at simulating grip. It may not be perfect yet, but it's still pretty dam good!

[SamRWD 2]

No, it's definetely possible to reach higher speed than he does in DiRT (it is actualy easy to press throttle and upshift, You know?). How about other videos? IE other Monte Carlo footage? Your argument actually supports mine, because Colin can brake much better than either of us does, yet we can reduce speed at much shorter discance.
I also used to compete IRL (fith slow Fiat, but I did), on top of that I already stated:
 I can assure You I can give You dozens of real life drivers opinion on DiRT, we have those guys actively commenting on various RBR forums. Most of them agree on grip level being too high. Also everyone complains on RBR grip, and that game was developed with Richard Burns's help.

[Cafours 0]

That is fair, in my video im not exactly the fastest man alive, infact far from it! most of the time is spent in 2nd or 3rd gear, its not like at anypoint i have braked from vmaxx in 5th to a 1st gear turn.

theres a section on boddy moor or wtvr it is called and you a braking from highspeed to a square right and i can assure you, you have to be on the stoppers VERY VERY early, number of times i have thought ive been braking at an acceptable distance, to then over shoot the corner at double the speed needed to make the turn.

I bet you are playing with abs, stability and traction control :tongue: 


EDIT: in that clip where you flagged me up at 55seconds i was doing like 35-40 mph and cadence braking then yoked the handbrake. its not like i was going 70-80 and stopped in 20 feet hahah

[EthanDean57 0]

Honestly, I myself feel like there's just slightly too much grip. I'm not saying make it like ice, just needs to be brought down a tad imo. The back end is almost totally planted and overall it could be a little looser. Braking distances also feel way too short. I don't feel like I could ever pull this sort of thing off in DiRT Rally as it is right now... I was braking all the way down that hill :D

http://a.pomf.se/dsafun.webm

That said, I do feel RBR has too little grip. I feel like a halfway point between RBR and DiRT Rally's grip levels would be a good start.

[PiotrAS191 0]

Exactly, i think the RBR has too litle grip because in those days tyres were much worse.

[Cafours 0]

I dunno if you guys saw how wild that 6r4 is in that video I shared, but make it any looser and the thing won't even be driveable! 
Are you guys sure you haven't tried adjusting the cars setup? Tighten up the rear diff and shift the brake balance rewards, left foot braking into a corner and throttling out goodstyle? 

Low speed braking could do with a bit of fine tuning but not much and high-speed braking is fine, imho from high-speed i've found sometimes it's not like you have brakes...

[PiotrAS191 0]

"I'm not saying make it like ice, just needs to be brought down a tad imo. The back (and front) end is almost totally planted and overall it could be a little looser. Braking distances also feel way too short."(not my words :)).  
Car with locked diff and 400 bhp won't be driveable, in the game even witch locked diff its just easy to drive, it should be over and understerring but it isnt. If codemasters want to call this game simulation, should fix this.

[Koral 14]

I agree with PiotrAS191. Grip must be reduced, now it is a lot of it is not real. Inertia weight increase. Braking is too short it is not realistic.
Sorry my English.

[zeroundersteer 2]

The amount of grip, especially at low speeds, is way too high. While the physics of the FWD cars like the mini are quite realistic and fun, the RWD and AWD cars aren't really enjoyable. it feels like there's no kind of wheelspin. when you're driving an RS500 you'd be sideways everywhere as soon as the boost kicks in. Simply keeping it straight should be a challenge, especially when driving on ice. I've tried everything in terms of setups, the difference is marginal. 
We have a great base and I hope you'll be going down the sim route.