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Hey guys @RedDevilKT  @Hoo, After extended testing for several mounts in 2016 2017 2018 and 2019 I found that the safety car after 2016 is broken in the carrier mode. All of the tests were done with simulation car damage 25 to 100 race length and safety car on. Tested on the PC steam version. All of the latest game versions. So I played one season for all of those games and the results are:

The cause It's the flashbacks when used they remove the SC from the race entirely.

I think Coddies have the intention to remove the random safety car deployment after a flashback but in the process removed the possibility entirely to be summoned. The Safety Car/Virtual Safety Car should no longer trigger after a flashback. Quote from 1.15 patch notes.

when does it happen

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Ok, @RedDevilKT  @Hoo I find whats happen in-game and why there is no safety car. I made some test in 2016 and 2018 2019 everybody can replicate especially CM

Tested on PC 

Steam version

DX 12 and 9

Game version 1.10 2019

Game version 1.16 2018

Tested in Monaco but this works everywhere, Monaco is easy to test so what are the results. In turn 1 if you block the rest of the cars in a crash the safety car always is deployed in 2016 and almost every time in 2018 2019. May be CM made the same test and think the SC works but no. After corner 1 when the AI moves not even a lap but you can test it in 2018 2019 the SC disappeared after big crash or blocking of the track. In 2016 several laps later its deployed so it's working as intended in this game. I think this issue is introduced in some of the patches for 2018 and it's a legacy bug for 2019 so the retroactive patch is needed for 2018 aswell or even 2017. Fixing this bug is paramount in 2019. Please, Codemasters fix this Huge issue. I track when it happens, check your code. This is the reason the SC is not properly deployed in the carrier mode or outside because is disabled after turn 1 for some reason.

I guess patch 1.15 broke the SC on pc this feature may disable the SC The Safety Car/Virtual Safety Car should no longer trigger after a flashback. 

I made more test and at the beginning of the race I can call the safety car but after a lap or two and after some flashbacks indeed the SC no longer appear.

 

 

GP mode You can bring the safety car in all of the games out after deliberately crash some cars. In 2016 was the easy test the safety car came out from the first attempt. In the other 3 games, some of the sessions didn't have safety car even if I destroy most of the cars on the track and they are left in the middle with missing wings and tiers. The easy way to bring the safety car in 2018, for example, was to bottleneck Monaco or crash some cars in the barriers in Azerbaijan but this did not happen in all of the other tracks. If the cars have some problem they safely park and disappear. In the end, safety car appearance is very rear in this mode in 3 of the games. In 2016 the car comes more often.

Career mode. Here is the real problem. In 2016 I have plenty of safety car it was nearly every race for several times. Every time there were an accident I crash or someone parks their car I got one. So this game from my experience works as intended. 2017 2018 and 2019 I have a different experience. In all 3 carriers, I don't have a single safety car but some times VSC. If there is an accident the track is just cleared and no VSC or SC appear. Sometimes there is VSC but is very rear maybe 10 for all of a season and this is stretching it. I made a test in Interlagos in my 2018 carrier I start the race at the end of the first DRS zone I cause a big crash 3 cars were destroyed no VSC or safety car the just disappeared. Later I abandoned the race and start to cause crashes I destroy around 14 cars the result was the same all of them in the middle of the track ton of bodywork and they just disappeared. In conclusion from my experience in the later 3 games, the safety car in the carrier mode is completely broken and do not work. This is so absurd how you can have working SC in 2016 and in the later 3 games did not work. 

Conclusion I read many complaints in the threads around the forum. Many people have similar problems like me. Some have working safety car but why when there is a crash in the carrier mode did not function. I read this thread bellow and find that the SC in 2018 was working at some point but patches broke it. 1.15 is mentioned below. I suppose maybe because of the multiplayer or in an attempt to remove a bug when you can summon it when using flashback they completely unintentionally remove it and in the end, the SC did not work anymore. My theory is that the dev team test it on GP mod but not in the carrier mode that's why is broken now. This "fixes" were transferred to 2019 and that's why we don't have safety car now. What was shame 3 broken games 2017 2018 won't be fixed and looks like 2019 also will be left in this state?

 Example of the problem

Reddit Thread with additional video examples 

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Game/comments/cnr4jy/the_safety_car_is_broken_in_f1_2019/

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Il y a 2 heures, BiohazardBGR a déclaré:

Salut les gars  @RedDevilKT @Hoo ,  Après des essais prolongés sur plusieurs supports en 2016, 2017 2018 et 2019, j'ai constaté que la voiture de sécurité après 2016 était en panne en mode transporteur. Tous les tests ont été effectués avec des dégâts de simulation de 25 à 100 km et avec une sécurité. Testé sur la version PC steam. Toutes les dernières versions du jeu. J'ai donc joué une saison pour tous ces jeux et les résultats sont les suivants:  

Mode GP  Vous pouvez entrer entre la voiture de sécurité et les jeux après un crash délibéré de certaines voitures. En 2016 était le test facile de la voiture de sécurité est sorti de la première tentative. Dans les 3 autres matchs, certaines séances de sécurité, même si nous avons détruit les voitures de piste et restaient au milieu avec les ailes et les gradins manquants. Ainsi, en 2018, le moyen le plus simple a été mis en place à Monaco ou à faire tomber les voitures dans les barrières en Azerbaïdjan, mais cela n'a pas été fait sur toutes les autres pistes. Si les voitures ont un problème, elles sont garées en toute sécurité et disparaissent.En fin de compte, l'apparence de la voiture de sécurité est très en retrait dans ce mode dans 3 des jeux. En 2016, la voiture vient plus souvent.

Mode transporteur. Voici le vrai problème. En 2016, j'ai beaucoup de voiture de sécurité, c'était presque chaque parcours à plusieurs reprises. Chaque fois qu'il y avait un accident, je m'écrasais ou quelqu'un garait sa voiture, j'en avais un. Donc, ce jeu de mon expérience fonctionne comme prévu. 2017 2018 et 2019 J'ai une expérience différente. Dans les 3 transporteurs, je n'ai pas une voiture de sécurité, mais parfois VSC. En cas d'accident, la piste est simplement effacée et aucun VSC ou SC n'apparaît. Parfois, il y a VSC mais il est très en arrière peut-être 10 pour toute une saison et cela l'étire.J'ai fait un test à Interlagos dans mon transporteur 2018. The course a debuté sur la fin de la première zone DRS. J'ai provoqué un crash. Trois voitures ont été détruites. Aucune voiture de sécurité ou de sécurité n'a disparu. Plus tard, j'ai abandonné le cours et commencé à provoquer des chutes. J'ai détruit environ 14 voitures. Le résultat était le même, tous au milieu de la piste, et ils ont tout simplement disparu. En conclusion de mon expérience dans les 3 derniers jeux, de la voiture de sécurité en mode transporteur est complètement cassé et ne fonctionne pas. C'est tellement absurde de voir comment on peut avoir un SC en 2016 et trois autres jeux qui ont échoué. 

Conclusion J'ai lu beaucoup de plaintes dans les discussions autour du forum. Beaucoup de gens ont des problèmes similaires comme moi. Certains ont une sécurité en état de marche, mais pourquoi ils ne fonctionnaient pas en cas de collision en mode transporteur. J'ai lu ce fil de discussion ci-dessous et constaté que le SC en 2018 fonctionnait à un moment donné, mais des correctifs l'ont brisé. 1.15 est mentionné ci-dessous. Je suppose que peut-être être en mode multijoueur ou en suppression de supprimer un bogue lorsque vous pouvez y aller en arrière, il est suppriment de manière totalement inopérant et finalisé, le SC ne fonctionne plus.Ma théorie a été développée sur le test de GP Modifiez votre choix en mode opérateur, c'est pourquoi il est en panne. Ces correctifs ont été transférés à 2019 et c'est pourquoi nous n'avons pas encore de voiture de sécurité maintenant. Qu'est-ce qui était honte 3 jeux cassés en 2017 2018 ne seront pas corrigés et dirait que 2019 restera dans cet état?

 

 

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I remember in F1 2017 the SC would not come out when a player crashed out in a custom multiplayer lobby for a league race but when he left the lobby after his car disappeared. If you leave the lobby after your crashed out car disappears then you trigger an infinte SC bug which causes the SC to come out every 3-5 laps for no reason after the last one ends. Leagues had to turn off the SC feature for their races because it breaks them and Codemasters never acknowledged the existence of this bug even after multiple reports (me included) with video evidence.

Today we had a 100% league race around monaco and the SC never appeared but the VSC did twice. So yeah, getting a SC in current F1 games is VERY rare and if anything then only the VSC gets deployed.

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6 hours ago, MrGhostO1O said:

I remember in F1 2017 the SC would not come out when a player crashed out in a custom multiplayer lobby for a league race but when he left the lobby after his car disappeared. If you leave the lobby after your crashed out car disappears then you trigger an infinte SC bug which causes the SC to come out every 3-5 laps for no reason after the last one ends. Leagues had to turn off the SC feature for their races because it breaks them and Codemasters never acknowledged the existence of this bug even after multiple reports (me included) with video evidence.

Today we had a 100% league race around monaco and the SC never appeared but the VSC did twice. So yeah, getting a SC in current F1 games is VERY rare and if anything then only the VSC gets deployed.

I experience the same. VSC can appear but the actual SC I never saw after 2016. In GP mode can happen after the crash but in the current careers, this never happens its a major bug and its unacceptable after so many outcries from the community.

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10 hours ago, Formulaoneteam said:

This is the problem I talked about a huge crash and no SC Coddies what are you doing? How this can be acceptable this is supose to be F1 simulation the SC plays a big part during the racing the lack of it make the game unimpressive, like you playing some mode.

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Ive done three seasons of my second career. I have never seen the safety car yet in f1 2019.

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21 minutes ago, 1henryw said:

Ive done three seasons of my second career. I have never seen the safety car yet in f1 2019.

Yep as I said early I played 3 careers for one season in 2017 2018 2019 and I don't have a single SC in those games. The SC works in GP mode sometimes but not in the career. I suppose CM made test in the GP mod and saw the SC working and did not touch it because of that. But when you have so many complains in past years its clear this feature doesn't work as intended.  @RedDevilKT and @Hoo can you investigate this issue further from release this was criticized by the community but yet again several patches later nothing changes.

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11 hours ago, MrGhostO1O said:

I remember in F1 2017 the SC would not come out when a player crashed out in a custom multiplayer lobby for a league race but when he left the lobby after his car disappeared. If you leave the lobby after your crashed out car disappears then you trigger an infinte SC bug which causes the SC to come out every 3-5 laps for no reason after the last one ends. Leagues had to turn off the SC feature for their races because it breaks them and Codemasters never acknowledged the existence of this bug even after multiple reports (me included) with video evidence.

Today we had a 100% league race around monaco and the SC never appeared but the VSC did twice. So yeah, getting a SC in current F1 games is VERY rare and if anything then only the VSC gets deployed.

I remember this too, it sucked big time. Been racing in one league for a couple of months now. After 9 races we've had one safety car (in Belgium) and probably around 5-8 VSCs overall, which feels like a good ratio. The SC should be a real option but shouldn't come as often as in real life, simply because there are so many more crashes and worse drivers. Then again, why not have a slider so that leagues and individuals could all just choose their preferred SC appearance frequency? 

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58 minutes ago, janbonator said:

I remember this too, it sucked big time. Been racing in one league for a couple of months now. After 9 races we've had one safety car (in Belgium) and probably around 5-8 VSCs overall, which feels like a good ratio. The SC should be a real option but shouldn't come as often as in real life, simply because there are so many more crashes and worse drivers. Then again, why not have a slider so that leagues and individuals could all just choose their preferred SC appearance frequency? 

For online access, there should be a different setting for the carrier its very bad at the moment you can have several seasons with huge crashes and no safty car at all like in the. This should be at the top priorities of coddies I don't get it how is not fixed yet and need correction asap

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15 minutes ago, Formulaoneteam said:

0 sc 3 saison 50% ia 90

Yep I have a similar experience, sometimes I have VSC but never I saw SC

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In 2018 full length races I had safety cars every race but ended up turning them off as the ai would constantly be cheating by passing me then I got penalties taking positions back. Plus game got boring when 3 SC in China meant the race never seemed to end. 

Which reminds me of a question I wanted to ask. In real life if there are so many delays and /or safety cars that extend race time the race finishes on the lap immediately following 2 hours or race time. So race is effectively x number of laps or 2 hours whichever arrives first. Is F1 2019 coded so that the race DOES actually stop after 2 hours before the planned number of laps is completed? Can anyone confirm whether this happens or not? 

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Dunno what game you guys have but ive had no problems with the safety car coming out (PS4)

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since 2018 I'm play career mode on 100% distance never get SC, only several times VSC.. and now in my career 2019 never see SC and none of VSC, think restart my career for the 5th time.

the problem is, the game are the same for all of us, but behaves differently for each player.

 

other modes are ok. Get sc, vsc and all working well.

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Ok, @RedDevilKT  @Hoo I find whats happen in-game and why there is no safety car. I made some test in 2016 and 2018 2019 everybody can replicate especially CM

Tested on PC 

Steam version

DX 12 and 9

Game version 1.10 2019

Game version 1.16 2018

Tested in Monaco but this works everywhere, Monaco is easy to test so what are the results. In turn 1 if you block the rest of the cars in a crash the safety car always is deployed in 2016 and almost every time in 2018 2019. May be CM made the same test and think the SC works but no. After corner 1 when the AI moves not even a lap but you can test it in 2018 2019 the SC disappeared after big crash or blocking of the track. In 2016 several laps later its deployed so it's working as intended in this game. I think this issue is introduced in some of the patches for 2018 and it's a legacy bug for 2019 so the retroactive patch is needed for 2018 aswell or even 2017. Fixing this bug is paramount in 2019. Please, Codemasters fix this Huge issue. I track when it happens, check your code. This is the reason the SC is not properly deployed in the carrier mode or outside because is disabled after turn 1 for some reason.

 

I guess patch 1.15 broke the SC on pc this feature may disable the SC The Safety Car/Virtual Safety Car should no longer trigger after a flashback. 

I made more test and at the beginning of the race I can call the safety car but after a lap or two and after some flashbacks indeed the SC no longer appear.

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9 hours ago, Madmaz116 said:

Dunno what game you guys have but ive had no problems with the safety car coming out (PS4)

Maybe this problem is only on pc I saw some gameplay from ps4 and there indeed was SC but the pc players don't have such luck.

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On 9/23/2019 at 6:24 PM, sloppysmusic said:

In 2018 full length races I had safety cars every race but ended up turning them off as the ai would constantly be cheating by passing me then I got penalties taking positions back. Plus game got boring when 3 SC in China meant the race never seemed to end. 

Which reminds me of a question I wanted to ask. In real life if there are so many delays and /or safety cars that extend race time the race finishes on the lap immediately following 2 hours or race time. So race is effectively x number of laps or 2 hours whichever arrives first. Is F1 2019 coded so that the race DOES actually stop after 2 hours before the planned number of laps is completed? Can anyone confirm whether this happens or not? 

This was before patch 1.15 I guess after that there was an update on the SC that removes it after a flashback, Now that may be the cause of the permanent lack of it in 2019 looks like a legacy bug. 

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1 hour ago, BiohazardBGR said:

This was before patch 1.15 I guess after that there was an update on the SC that removes it after a flashback, Now that may be the cause of the permanent lack of it in 2019 looks like a legacy bug. 

Interesting to hear about the patch but I got the game 2018 75% off around April this year so should be after patch right? 

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7 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

Interesting to hear about the patch but I got the game 2018 75% off around April this year so should be after patch right? 

Did you play the game on ps4 or PC, because looks like the problems are mostly on the pc? And it's related to flashbacks and race restarts so if you use flashbacks or try to restart the race the SC broke. 

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for F1 2018 ONLY PC version: I have downloaded the old patch 1.15 here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/611h5e/guide_how_to_download_older_versions_of_a_game_on/
and:
https://steamdb.info/
you have to register!!

with these mods:

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/f1-2018-new-unchained-ai-part-1-austria-and-car-settings.24995/ ....and for all tracks
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/f1-2018-ai-brakes-later.26183/
and: all parts !!
and: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/f1-2018-bigger-res-slipstream-for-more-fight.24285/
and: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/better-ai-tyre-strategies.23219/
and: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/realistic-damage.22944/

Now the F1 2018 is fantastic!
The SC and VSC are guaranteed to be out in case of accidents that are realistic.

maybe this is also possible with F1 2019?

 

I have found in F1 2018 SC and VSC comes ONLY at difficulty 75 - 95 and the middle teams out. (also WITHOUT mods)

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59 minutes ago, MicMiller said:

for F1 2018 ONLY PC version: I have downloaded the old patch 1.15 here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/611h5e/guide_how_to_download_older_versions_of_a_game_on/
and:
https://steamdb.info/
you have to register!!

with these mods:

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/f1-2018-new-unchained-ai-part-1-austria-and-car-settings.24995/ ....and for all tracks
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/f1-2018-ai-brakes-later.26183/
and: all parts !!
and: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/f1-2018-bigger-res-slipstream-for-more-fight.24285/
and: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/better-ai-tyre-strategies.23219/
and: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/realistic-damage.22944/

Now the F1 2018 is fantastic!
The SC and VSC are guaranteed to be out in case of accidents that are realistic.

maybe this is also possible with F1 2019?

 

I have found in F1 2018 SC and VSC comes ONLY at difficulty 75 - 95 and the middle teams out. (also WITHOUT mods)

Yep, the problem comes from the 1.15 where they remove the SC after flashback so if you just flashback for any reason the SC disappears for the rest of the session. But you are right I made test wit difficulty 75 and the safety car comes out when I made a crash even after a flashback and couple of laps this is very bizarre I cannot pinpoint the exact problem but looks like its related to the difficulty and the flashbacks. somehow 75 difficulty override the flashbacks glitch, more test are needed.

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in version 1.15 the Flasnbackbug is not ... until 1.16. That's why I downloaded version 1.15 again.

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1 hour ago, MicMiller said:

in version 1.15 the Flasnbackbug is not ... until 1.16. That's why I downloaded version 1.15 again.

I made test in 2019 and if you play on 75 difficulties even if you use flashbacks when blocking the hairpin Monaco even after 7-8 laps the SC comes out easily. Did you try to play at 75% in 1.16 and have SC or this works only in 1.15

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2 hours ago, MicMiller said:

for F1 2018 ONLY PC version: I have downloaded the old patch 1.15 here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/611h5e/guide_how_to_download_older_versions_of_a_game_on/
and:
https://steamdb.info/
you have to register!!

with these mods:

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/f1-2018-new-unchained-ai-part-1-austria-and-car-settings.24995/ ....and for all tracks
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/f1-2018-ai-brakes-later.26183/
and: all parts !!
and: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/f1-2018-bigger-res-slipstream-for-more-fight.24285/
and: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/better-ai-tyre-strategies.23219/
and: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/realistic-damage.22944/

Now the F1 2018 is fantastic!
The SC and VSC are guaranteed to be out in case of accidents that are realistic.

maybe this is also possible with F1 2019?

 

I have found in F1 2018 SC and VSC comes ONLY at difficulty 75 - 95 and the middle teams out. (also WITHOUT mods)

Hey man on the steam depots the latest patch I saw uploaded was 1.14, are you sure is 1.15 or they removed it?

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