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55 minutes ago, FLAW3D said:

You keep posting horrible heavily compressed Youtube footage. Any chance of some proper direct feed screens and videos instead as your making both games look much worse than they actually are. 

Those are not my videos. Youtube is what it is and not everybody can capture 4K60. You don't need top quality uncompressed video to see the validity of the points in the argument.

There's plenty of direct feed screens too in this thread:

 

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Shadows are constantly popping in everywhere, in some places it's absolutely horrible. Constant flickering on the bottom of the screen is very distracting.
I honestly can't realize how this could have passed quality control. Remember how the launch was delayed ? And still the graphical glitches are horrible.
How could the people at Codemasters make such a poorly developed game ?

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Strange filter:

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Some trees are blurred (even closer ones) and some are clear (even more distant).

More and more I think this is simply undeveloped game with broken deadline. Because some moments are very well made and some are terrible. And quality control just was rejected to release the game in time.

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23 minutes ago, jesped said:

Those are not my videos. Youtube is what it is and not everybody can capture 4K60. You don't need top quality uncompressed video to see the validity of the points in the argument.

There's plenty of direct feed screens too in this thread:

 

It would certainly help seeing Grid in proper 4k though and the older Grid games in 1080 rather than the blurry mess that is Youtube for both games. Defeats the purpose of a graphics thread imo. 

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26 minutes ago, FLAW3D said:

It would certainly help seeing Grid in proper 4k though and the older Grid games in 1080 rather than the blurry mess that is Youtube for both games. Defeats the purpose of a graphics thread imo. 

Why? fair would be same resolution for both. Game is not 4K in all platforms. Not even everybody on PC plays in 4K. In fact, it's a minority who can play in 4K60.

You can go 4K, 8K or 16K...  but that's not gonna change you seeing the shadows being drawn a few meters in front of your car. Or the trees and other elements LOD being swapped at the same distance. In fact, you'll see them more clearly.

As noted, you don't need top quality or 4K examples to understand the problems they depict. If a graphics bug or problem is noticeable already in a compressed and low resolution source, is only much more visible in an uncompressed and higher resolution one.

We talk too about cameras, colors, lack of proper light adaptation...  that have nothing to do with resolution or high quality sources.

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27 minutes ago, jesped said:

Why? fair would be same resolution for both. Game is not 4K in all platforms. Not even everybody on PC plays in 4K. In fact, it's a minority who can play in 4K60.

You can go 4K, 8K or 16K...  but that's not gonna change you seeing the shadows being drawn a few meters in front of your car. Or the trees and other elements LOD being swapped at the same distance. In fact, you'll see them more clearly.

As noted, you don't need top quality or 4K examples to understand the problems they depict. If a graphics bug or problem is noticeable already in a compressed and low resolution source, is only much more visible in an uncompressed and higher resolution one.

We talk too about cameras, colors, lack of proper light adaptation...  that have nothing to do with resolution or high quality sources.

So we have a game at 4k but your not going to show it at 4k instead using horrible blurry messes off of Youtube? Got'cha great thread. Showing all the games at the best graphics possible would certainly hinder your argument a little. Surely you can at least post direct feed's from your GRID game right now? Do you not have the older titles as well? 

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In 4K it looks even worse. 🤦‍♂️ The higher the resolution, the easier to spot the terrible engine and many artifacts.

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Again with the 4K...   GRID is 1440p on PS4 Pro. It is not 4K even on XB1 X, it is 1728p. On base consoles looks more close to 720p than 1080p.
Most people on PC are not playing 4K. Nobody needs 4K to notice the problems with the game. 4K doesn't magically make anything better, just the resolution.
A game at 1080p or 2K with a good AA solution and rock solid 60fps is much preferable than GRID's unstable 4K60 with bad AA. Even Shirrako's 4K60 PC Ultra videos have noticeable framerate drops with a beast of a machine (guy specializes in quality).

If a "blurry mess" of a youtube video already shows graphic bugs and problems so clearly...   go figure how much clearer you can see them in the game in "4K".

All the captures that @Ak1504 have been droping here in amazing galleries are not blurry messes. 

These are not "blurry mess captures from Youtube". They are direct captures from the game:
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Do you need to see how much worse they can look in 8K, 16K or 32K?

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1 hour ago, FLAW3D said:

So we have a game at 4k but your not going to show it at 4k instead using horrible blurry messes off of Youtube? Got'cha great thread. Showing all the games at the best graphics possible would certainly hinder your argument a little. Surely you can at least post direct feed's from your GRID game right now? Do you not have the older titles as well? 

Here are some direct base ps4 screenshots.

The game is the actual blurry mess, not the youtube video's or screenshots. Especially on base consoles the game looks rediculously bad (basicly like a ps3 game with a few higher textures on the car u drive urself, mostly everything else is a blur). Yes u notice the lighting etc. is better, but almost everything else is a lot worse then any single other racing game on the consoles, including other Codemasters titles.

If u compare it to other games on the same platform, its basicly one of the worst looking racing game on ps4/xone. Hell even F1 2019 from the same developer in the same engine looks way better and runs at 55-60 fps (and not 30 like GRID). The mirror in the cockpit view u can count the pixels while its shugging along at like 5 fps... Great 'immersion' in that view. About that cockpit view.... Yeaaaa even there the detail is just not there, and thats just static textures.

U can blame "its not 4k" all u want, but if the "1080" version is so extremely bad, even 4k can not save it. No its not the "bad consoles" or anything, since f1 2019 (and a ton of other games) show a game can look great and run way better even on this outdated hardware without this extreme blurryness. A blurryness and low textures that is also the case on pc and the 4k machines.

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1 hour ago, jesped said:

Again with the 4K...   GRID is 1440p on PS4 Pro. It is not 4K even on XB1 X, it is 1728p. On base consoles looks more close to 720p than 1080p.
Most people on PC are not playing 4K. Nobody needs 4K to notice the problems with the game. 4K doesn't magically make anything better, just the resolution.
A game at 1080p or 2K with a good AA solution and rock solid 60fps is much preferable than GRID's unstable 4K60 with bad AA. Even Shirrako's 4K60 PC Ultra videos have noticeable framerate drops with a beast of a machine (guy specializes in quality).

If a "blurry mess" of a youtube video already shows graphic bugs and problems so clearly...   go figure how much clearer you can see them in the game in "4K".

All the captures that @Ak1504 have been droping here in amazing galleries are not blurry messes. 

These are not "blurry mess captures from Youtube". They are direct captures from the game:
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Do you need to see how much worse they can look in 8K, 16K or 32K?

Your first screen is 1270 x 352 how is that 4k? Your 2nd screen is 1280 x 716. 

Even though that first screen is tiny it still looks much better than your Youtube screens. As does the second. 

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39 minutes ago, iekue said:

Here are some direct base ps4 screenshots.

The game is the actual blurry mess, not the youtube video's or screenshots. Especially on base consoles the game looks rediculously bad (basicly like a ps3 game with a few higher textures on the car u drive urself, mostly everything else is a blur). Yes u notice the lighting etc. is better, but almost everything else is a lot worse then any single other racing game on the consoles, including other Codemasters titles.

If u compare it to other games on the same platform, its basicly one of the worst looking racing game on ps4/xone. Hell even F1 2019 from the same developer in the same engine looks way better and runs at 55-60 fps (and not 30 like GRID). The mirror in the cockpit view u can count the pixels while its shugging along at like 5 fps... Great 'immersion' in that view. About that cockpit view.... Yeaaaa even there the detail is just not there, and thats just static textures.

U can blame "its not 4k" all u want, but if the "1080" version is so extremely bad, even 4k can not save it. No its not the "bad consoles" or anything, since f1 2019 (and a ton of other games) show a game can look great and run way better even on this outdated hardware without this extreme blurryness. A blurryness and low textures that is also the case on pc and the 4k machines.

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That is quite blurry, Dirt 2.0 is really blurry on base PS4 while it looks great on PS4 Pro (although it took them a while to fix it on PS4 Pro)


Could someone post PS4 Pro direct screens or Xbox X? Or even PC screens with a decent Graphics card. Surely it does not look that bad or more powerful hardware? 

This is a screen Eurogamer used for their review which looks great compared to what is above...

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and compared to the first Grid

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Dude, all screen with trees I've posted before were right from the game from Steam users, it's not YT compression. And really, stop blaming YT compression for all visual sins. This is stupid

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1 hour ago, FLAW3D said:

That is quite blurry, Dirt 2.0 is really blurry on base PS4 while it looks great on PS4 Pro (although it took them a while to fix it on PS4 Pro)

While Dirt 2.0 runs at 60fps on base ps4, not 30 like this new game..... Too bad u cnt see the rear mirror in action in its 5fps pixelly stuttery glory in my screenshots 😞

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3 hours ago, FLAW3D said:

Your first screen is 1270 x 352 how is that 4k? Your 2nd screen is 1280 x 716. 

Even though that first screen is tiny it still looks much better than your Youtube screens. As does the second. 

4K 4K 4K 4K 4K 4K 4K 4K 4K ...🤦‍♂️

Do you even read?

GRID is 1440p on PS4 Pro. It is not 4K even on XB1 X, it is 1728p. On base consoles looks more close to 720p than 1080p.
Most people on PC are not playing 4K. Nobody needs 4K to notice the problems with the game. 4K doesn't magically make anything better, just the resolution.

Here's your 4K magic. Enjoy.
Full album: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Q4iyfGRseIIdVnzSEy8rXqQgaUuVgSGP?usp=sharing


This forum doesn't allow 4K attachments and display, but these are untouched attachments from the album above (4K uncompressed PNG):

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Race_Driver_Grid_Screenshot_2019_10.12_-_23_47_21_02.thumb.png.da3c8184374f5ba1db5aa6b9a4033871.pngRace_Driver_Grid_Screenshot_2019_10.13_-_00_10_03_68.thumb.png.ea71722fce25cb0bd0669813369e867a.png
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And these are some unscaled crops (what you really see on the screen, the images in the previous post are scaled down from 4K by this forum):

See the horrible transparency pattern?

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...and these are from the center of the screen. On the edges there is a horrible chromatic aberration that cannot be disabled even editing the xml config file:
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jesped, you really don't need to post all those images all the time, there are enough examples already everywhere, just point to them lol

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1 hour ago, jesped said:

4K 4K 4K 4K 4K 4K 4K 4K 4K ...🤦‍♂️

Do you even read?

GRID is 1440p on PS4 Pro. It is not 4K even on XB1 X, it is 1728p. On base consoles looks more close to 720p than 1080p.
Most people on PC are not playing 4K. Nobody needs 4K to notice the problems with the game. 4K doesn't magically make anything better, just the resolution.

Here's your 4K magic. Enjoy.
Full album: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Q4iyfGRseIIdVnzSEy8rXqQgaUuVgSGP?usp=sharing


This forum doesn't allow 4K attachments and display, but these are untouched attachments from the album above (4K uncompressed PNG):

Race_Driver_Grid_Screenshot_2019_10.12_-_23_48_28_21.thumb.png.c1aa759f9516fc7017c54b494b768e77.png
Race_Driver_Grid_Screenshot_2019_10.12_-_23_47_21_02.thumb.png.da3c8184374f5ba1db5aa6b9a4033871.pngRace_Driver_Grid_Screenshot_2019_10.13_-_00_10_03_68.thumb.png.ea71722fce25cb0bd0669813369e867a.png
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Last 6 screens look decent to me. Great AA and very good AF. Maybe im just not into trees as much as you guys.

Going to download direct feed videos from Gamersyde and stick them on the LG Oled just to see how poor it really looks.

https://www.gamersyde.com/news_our_4k_videos_of_grid-21249_en.html

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22 minutes ago, FLAW3D said:

Last 6 screens look decent to me. Great AA and very good AF. Maybe im just not into trees as much as you guys.

Going to download direct feed videos from Gamersyde and stick them on the LG Oled just to see how poor it really looks.

https://www.gamersyde.com/news_our_4k_videos_of_grid-21249_en.html

You can remove the images from the quote, you know...

"great AA" 🤦‍♂️

Again...  do you even read?  those images are downsampled from 4K. The forum doesn't allow a pure 4K attachment which weights more than 10MB... that's why I put a link to a GoogleDrive folder with all the original images, 4K PNG uncompressed.

These are unscaled crops, this is the real quality. Does this look like "great quality" to you?

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No Youtube. Crops from 4K uncompressed sources. GRID Autosport on the left. No horrible transparency pattern. Just clean sharp image with detailed, non cartoonish trees and realistic typical japanese mist banks in the background...

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