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Thx @jesped

Takes quite a lot time to make such a video ^^ Problem is that the cars are not on the same level in every game so i have to figure out the slowest one and then do laps in the faster games and "estimate" on the throttle how much slower i have to drive to match the laptimes to get them in a 1-3 sec. window... Then match them exact in the video program to have it correct 😄

But i´m happy with the result 🙂

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Not easy at all to make this high quality comparisions. It really brings out the clear differences between them.

I keep noticing how much the camera shake in GRID Autosport adds to the overall feeling of the race. It just feels much more intense, visceral and gritty.

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@ChrisGrovesMCM Is there anything you can tell us about how the game runs in 1080p on the Xbox 1X.   

Can any of the graphical settings be turned up or at 1080p is everything set to maximum? 

Some of these screen shots people have posted, I have to say they look pretty damn good. Close to realistic. But I dont see that on my screen. Dont get me wrong it does look great, maybe im expecting too much from the Xbox 1X

Is it a night and day difference at 4K? 

I read somewhere the 4k was locked to 30FPS.  But digital foundry's video would suggest its 60FPS most of the time. 

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15 hours ago, TheXboxOutlaw said:

@ChrisGrovesMCM Is there anything you can tell us about how the game runs in 1080p on the Xbox 1X.    

For questions about Xbox, it's normally best to contact Microsoft or see what details they have online 🙂

Check your own console's graphics settings of course - I've had instances in the past where aspects of the game like loading times and minor graphical options are automatically downgraded by consoles, when dealing with a high workload. 

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34 minutes ago, ChrisGrovesMCM said:

For questions about Xbox, it's normally best to contact Microsoft or see what details they have online 🙂

Check your own console's graphics settings of course - I've had instances in the past where aspects of the game like loading times and minor graphical options are automatically downgraded by consoles, when dealing with a high workload. 

Its Codemasters game.  Why would microsoft know about how you have set up the game???  PC players have a whole list of graphical options.  They can set them from low to high.  Codemasters must have set those same options for the console versions.  

I simply would like to know if at 1080p  everything is on high?  

If I contact Microsoft, it will be for a refund.  This game says it has online multiplayer. It may well have the option for that, but it doesn't work.  If by some miracle it does put me in a lobby, there is only ever a maximum of 5 players in there and the AI ruin the whole experience.  

You should be a politician Chris,  You are unable to give straight answers. 

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14 minutes ago, TheXboxOutlaw said:

PC players have a whole list of graphical options.  They can set them from low to high.  Codemasters must have set those same options for the console versions.  

 

That's not how it works 🙂 

Not really sure what else to tell you I'm afraid - I can speak to the team and ask if there is some kind of 'hidden' options for graphical settings, but from what I understand, there isn't - everything you see in the in-game Options and your own console's settings are available to you, and everyone else. Have you spoken to the people you mention that are posting screenshots that look different to what you're seeing, and asked if they've adjusted anything on their side? 

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9 minutes ago, CordedQuill42 said:

@jesped

Are you sure it was a good idea to revive this old thread?

Previous replies in this "old" thread were less than 2 weeks ago.

Maybe I missed something. From all the reported bugs and problems since August and compiled in the Twitter thread at the start of this thread...   what has been fixed?

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27 minutes ago, jesped said:

Previous replies in this "old" thread were less than 2 weeks ago.

Maybe I missed something. From all the reported bugs and problems since August and compiled in the Twitter thread at the start of this thread...   what has been fixed?

Well, you know, even changing the race length is such a complex task for the developers, that they have to "see what can be done". 😂😂😂

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32 minutes ago, lastbreath said:

are you sure someone asked about your opinion? Since when we need your permission to post here? 

I was wondering why this thread got revived. I realized I once opposed it in its first version, and that was because it was full of people attacking one another.

I never said you needed my permission to post here.

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3 hours ago, CordedQuill42 said:

I was wondering why this thread got revived. I realized I once opposed it in its first version, and that was because it was full of people attacking one another.

I never said you needed my permission to post here.

What I remember is some people constantly trying to shut down the reports, the honest criticism and the discussion, sentencing that "those were prerelease builds, but all will be fixed and fine at release". 
Game was released and it had all the same problems and bugs we've been detailing since august.

Now it's been 2 months since release. 2 patches released already. What has been fixed?

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3 hours ago, CordedQuill42 said:

I was wondering why this thread got revived. I realized I once opposed it in its first version, and that was because it was full of people attacking one another.

I never said you needed my permission to post here.

Please stick to graphics and how can the graphics be improved please.

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30 minutes ago, CordedQuill42 said:

It is the main part of the thread. How can the graphics be improved.

There are many other threads to post your frustration of the game, this one is just for graphics.

yeh fair enough , but your not a moderator for this forum.

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"Just for graphics" 🙄

The entire game, including the graphics, is a mess. It all comes as a package. The way the CM is attempting to dodge even a simple promise about the most mundane features, such as race length, projects on this thread and the likelihood of anything changing in the graphics.

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So guys when I posted that codemasters were changing the graphics on dirt rally 2.0 now looks better,

f12019 now looks worse , a lot worse because of the inclusion of silly F2 ,

grid 2019 , all of a sudden looks 10x better , just check mirror reflections ,

and now finally codemasters admit on forums that they can alter graphics as it does not affect core game, 

the standand ps4 can handle 60fps , who the hell thought in a online multiplayer game to add Ai ,

and  400 Ai , Ai are only needed in story mode , wait you don't have a story mode .

we don't want Ai OK ,. They can't drive and ruin the game,

the rubbish we get told on here makes me laugh, 

how old do you think we are , the official post press release has been taken down,

because all the things it said how great the new grid was going to be, turned out to be completely false.

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Hey, I was watching new Paris location on youtube and noticed some interesting  thing.

Here is the video:

And here is video settings screenshot:

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Maximum LOD quality is... only medium! What? Can you check it? Is it really so? Maybe this is the reason of poor visuals?

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11 hours ago, lastbreath said:

 

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Maximum LOD quality is... only medium! What? Can you check it? Is it really so? Maybe this is the reason of poor visuals?

LOD Quality Settings are Very Low -> Low -> Medium. It'd be asking for trouble if they'd call it High.

You can probably just change the lodBias and crowdLodBias for a higher LOD, with much lowered performance. There isn't much for me to try as my PC already can't handle the game that well 😛 

NOTE: Changing the setting outside of the game to an unsupported amount may tank the framerate or completely break the world (like in OFDR)

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And, of course, HDR doesn't work with custom resolutions, because why would it work like any other decent game supporting HDR?  the Code"Masters" way of implement HDR is telling you that it is activated while your display says "nope". Even when you resign to 1080p just to test it there is only the same "Brightness" slider for configuration as in SDR, with a black/white range that doesn't match HDR. 🤦‍♂️

Honestly, after 3 months, the state of this game is pathetic.

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3 hours ago, Leo Natan said:

And it seems any communication from the "team" has died down too.

In fairness Chris has given out quite a bit of info about the multiplayer stuff which is good because we're all fully in the loop regarding changes and timelines but not so good because with no word in relation to visual enhancements or any other priority changes it probably means those areas aren't going to be looked at. The only disappointment for me is that the time and effort it took to get Stadia Grid up and running for the benefit of the minority audience could just as easilly been spent on enhancing the game for those who already own - the majority audience. 

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3 hours ago, _BorisTheFrog_ said:

In fairness Chris has given out quite a bit of info about the multiplayer stuff which is good because we're all fully in the loop regarding changes and timelines but not so good because with no word in relation to visual enhancements or any other priority changes it probably means those areas aren't going to be looked at. The only disappointment for me is that the time and effort it took to get Stadia Grid up and running for the benefit of the minority audience could just as easilly been spent on enhancing the game for those who already own - the majority audience. 

I mostly meant about the graphics and graphics bugs—my thread with a clear bug and multiple pings to Chris has not been deemed worthy of a response from @ChrisGrovesMCM; not even a "will pass it to the 'team'". Not a good sign. But also, even for MP issues, a lot of the promises have been vague at best.

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7 hours ago, Leo Natan said:

I mostly meant about the graphics and graphics bugs—my thread with a clear bug and multiple pings to Chris has not been deemed worthy of a response from @ChrisGrovesMCM; not even a "will pass it to the 'team'". Not a good sign. But also, even for MP issues, a lot of the promises have been vague at best.

That'll be because graphical improvements and enhancements are made in each patch and update. It's rarely a specific, one-off topic that I can log, track and say is completely resolved. so it's much more difficult to communicate.

It's something we look at every day, in one form or another - for example, this week we discovered that for PS4 players, using HD settings, it can be beneficial in some instances (depending on the TV/hardware you're using) to switch the display's Picture Setting OUT of Game Mode. This has the potential to improve visual aspects like dynamic range, sharpness and frame rate. We're continuing to investigate to see if we can find more concrete info and steps for players to take on this topic 🙂

In short:

- We know there are further improvements that can be made graphically to the game 

- Improvements and optimisations are made in each game update, including in next week's patch for the public lobbies, and the Season 2 update afterwards 

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@ChrisGrovesMCM I've created a video of a very specific graphical issue that is reproducible very easily, by everyone who plays this game, and is a major hindrance to the way this game is perceived. Since the issue is camera dependent, the fix is a minor one and will show a great improvement to anyone who uses the driver camera. The fact that you have not even bothered to respond in that thread makes me doubt you (Codemasters) will bother making any change, sorry. Now that we are a quarter after release and such significant issues with seemingly trivial fixes still exist doesn't bode well for the future of this or other games from your company. But thank you for the canned response. It's something, I guess. 🤷‍♂️

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11 minutes ago, Leo Natan said:

@ChrisGrovesMCM I've created a video of a very specific graphical issue that is reproducible very easily, by everyone who plays this game, and is a major hindrance to the way this game is perceived. Since the issue is camera dependent, the fix is a minor one and will show a great improvement to anyone who uses the driver camera. The fact that you have not even bothered to respond in that thread makes me doubt you (Codemasters) will bother making any change, sorry. Now that we are a quarter after release and such significant issues with seemingly trivial fixes still exist doesn't bode well for the future of this or other games from your company. But thank you for the canned response. It's something, I guess. 🤷‍♂️

- Feel free to send over the video again in case I haven't seen it, which is possible considering it's often difficult to sift through the un-useful threads and comments 🙂 

- As you said yourself, it's "seemingly trivial". 99% of the time, it's not a simple fix, and the issue requires a lot of investigation and digging to identify the source of the problem, see if it can be fixed, figure out a way of doing so without affecting other aspects of the game, then smoothly implementing that into the live game

- Not a canned response 

- You're welcome 🙂

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I looked at a camera mod XML files for the latest F1 games, which had some LOD values. So I assume it's similar here. In that specific camera, the LOD is driven very low, as evident in the video. But I have not seen a way to access those camera files in Grid 2019.

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25 minutes ago, Leo Natan said:

I looked at a camera mod XML files for the latest F1 games, which had some LOD values. So I assume it's similar here. In that specific camera, the LOD is driven very low, as evident in the video. But I have not seen a way to access those camera files in Grid 2019.

Well we don't even know if such thing exists in GRID 2019 as the Birmingham titles tend to be a little different in things like these when compared to what Southam is usually up to 🙂 

Surely you've tried messing with the lodBias I've mentioned before? I couldn't be bothered myself 😁

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5 hours ago, UP100 said:

Well we don't even know if such thing exists in GRID 2019 as the Birmingham titles tend to be a little different in things like these when compared to what Southam is usually up to 🙂 

Surely you've tried messing with the lodBias I've mentioned before? I couldn't be bothered myself 😁

I don't see how "little different" matters in this case. Somewhere in the camera configs, there are different LOD values for the different cameras. This is crystal clear from the video I recorded. "Birmingham" can either put the other values for this camera too, or actually invest some work and add more LOD stops (high, ultra) where they can put the higher LOD values there. lodBias doesn't help. It's something else.

This is such a simple matter. Instead of wasting time on Stadia, the developers should have actually solved real problems with the game. 🙄 Instead they opted for a quick buck short-term that will bring them zero long-term comfort.

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