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47 minutes ago, richie said:

No, the main problem is that you start attacking people who disagree with you and that you don't seem to understand that promo pics always look better. Anyway, I suggest you open a thread where you can bring this up one more time, quite a few people will love it, I promise. The massive fog is terrible, we're all doomed!

You didn't just disagree with me mate. You keep making patronizing, denialistic "just a slight layer" kind of posts, making assertions that have no basis on reality, you keep lecturing me about what my country looks like, you keep making pseudo-clever grade school jibes like that last line, you keep challenging me and then you whine when I dare to respond to that because it's my fault I keep bringing it up. A bit less self-righteousness and a bit more thinking about what you are saying might be a good idea.

"promo pics always look better". That is actually your argument now? All that arguing that the fog is different in different spots, posting a screenshot that supposedly proves the promo pics were truthful, challenging me to make a comparison from the same spot, and all of that meant nothing because promo pics always look better. And I'm somehow over-dramatizing by claiming that the game looks worse than the promo pics (i.e. the promo pics look better).

Fact is, daytime Finland looks far worse than it should because of the fog effect, and Finland also severely lacks weather options. Hard to imagine what could be a more worthy issue to bring up on Dirt Rally 2.0 forum. Posting excrement like that does not qualify to you to tell me what I can or can't post

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Fact is that a video with @EvansR5 driving the garbage out of that car was published along with the shiny promotional pics. So, it's not like Codies have applied some shady tactics promoting Potemkin villages as you're insinuating all the time. The graphics were the same as those we have now. Not sure why you're surprised. Oh, and the one who's whining all the time about an 'issue' that I didn't even notice, is you. 

Weather options is another story, there you actually would have a point but instead you drive that exaggerated drama train. 

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9 minutes ago, richie said:

Fact is that a video with @EvansR5 driving the garbage out of that car was published along with the shiny promotional pics. So, it's not like Codies have applied some shady tactics promoting Potemkin villages as you're insinuating all the time. The graphics were the same as those we have now. Not sure why you're surprised. Oh, and the one who's whining all the time about an 'issue' that I didn't even notice, is you. 

Weather options is another story, there you actually would have a point but instead you drive that exaggerated drama train. 

Listen, I don't mean this as an insult. Just some minor observation.

You tend to downplay some "issues" people are having with this game. Like me and Bogani said that at least some RWD cars doesn't handle in Sweden as they should, because of poor lateral grip of those studded tires. We both had 1st hand experience about studded rally tires on snow and ice and we both have actual racing experience also. Still you told us how it works and that the game is fine, because it doesn't bother you. 

Same thing is happening here IMO. 

And I really don't mean no harm with this or as an insult. I hope you take it more as a friendly "reminder" or something, that not everyone agrees some of the choises devs have made with this game. 

I have to agree with Hoksu, as we both live in Finland and we know that this mist/fog is just stupid. I don't mind it that much, but it doesn't mean that I like it.

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Imagine being so self-righteous that you try to dictate people are not allowed to post about a certain issue just because you didn't notice it, or don't think it's that bad.

Imagine thinking that you are qualified to lecture about what people can or can't post, while posting excrement like this: " The massive fog is terrible, we're all doomed!  " "  Is this some kind of 'drama train' people just jumped on?  Choo choo! ^^ "

 

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:classic_laugh: It's getting better and better. The guy who attacked another guy for telling him that the mist is fine and adds to the atmosphere and also dismissed his opinion as not even being a proper opinion now tells me I'm dictating people what to post. Ironic. Btw that's not even true. I understand that you want to defend now but this is just ridiculous. Anyway, I don't want this thread to be closed, so I'm out. 

 

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Btw good that you got that out of your chest now but I'm not sure what this has to do with this issue. I'm not downplaying anything here (just as I didn't want to downplay your issue with the Escort at Sweden, I honestly thought it was setup related). I've not denied the mist although it is no issue for me. My point was something different. 

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Saying the mist is fine is an opinion, a few other things he said are not. You keep dismissing other people's opinions as "drama train", you keep spamming you didn't notice it as if that disproved it being there, you make grade school jibes at people you don't agree with, are you are actually trying to lecture me about respecting other people's opinions! :classic_laugh: You keep whining to me that I bring it up, as if me posting about it was the main problem. I somehow doubt you'll be out for very long tbh. Choo choo! Drama train! I didn't even notice it! Must be hard to resist posting something that constructive.

btw you might want to work on your not-downplaying-anything skills. Someone could mistake "I didn't even notice the fog, which isn't even proper fog but just a slight layer hanging in the air""Yeah, it's so tragic that I didn't even notice at first. Is this some kind of 'drama train' people just jumped on?" " Choo choo! ^^ "" It really isn't that bad at all in my view, I didn't even notice until you kept posting the same thing again and again. ""The massive fog is terrible, we're all doomed! ""...whining all the time about an 'issue' that I didn't even notice..." for downplaying the issue.

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The fog sucks.

 

And I don't mean the John Carpenter movie. Like someone said, it's not even real fog, ie pooling in low areas or with any kind of real-life fog quality. It's looks just a gaming fog, like old games covering up a feeble draw-distance.

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10 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

The fog sucks.

 

And I don't mean the John Carpenter movie. Like someone said, it's not even real fog, ie pooling in low areas or with any kind of real-life fog quality. It's looks just a gaming fog, like old games covering up a feeble draw-distance.

I mentioned the exact same thing when I left a comment on XBox store a few days ago. What I have noticed is that on X1X the game suffers from some real bad lod issues whereby you can clearly see a 'wall of light' drawing onto trees on the near horizon as you're driving so, as Jake says, with Finland having an absolute shed load of trees the easy option would be to fog up the horizon old skool style to make any issues less obvious. I'm not saying this hazy fog thing always looks poor (with the sun on the side of the car it looks quite nice) but with all the extra lighting stuff that's already enforced on consoles there are too many instances where it looks truly horrible.

Besides which, the track descriptions do say "daytime, clear, dry surface" and clear they most definately are not.

Whilst on the subject of Finland I have another passing observation. Now i'm no Isaac Newton but some of those Finnish hills are quite steep and when selecting dusk/wet (but not raining) conditions it does strike me as being kind of odd how that rather deep standing water in the gutters can stay standing up and over those hills. As I said, just a passing observation.

Finally, i'm getting a very frequent issue with Finland:-

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/boris-the-frog/video/81543037

There is a pattern so I know exactly when it will happen. Game plays as normal > for no reason whatsoever the console goes into 'super overworked whining mode' > onscreen corruption. Every time.

Hmm, kind of regretting changing my mind and making this Finland purchase now. 

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I am doing weekly challenge now and the Finland is great! It's not clear but I always imagine bad weather 😄

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3 hours ago, _BorisTheFrog_ said:

Whilst on the subject of Finland I have another passing observation. Now i'm no Isaac Newton but some of those Finnish hills are quite steep and when selecting dusk/wet (but not raining) conditions it does strike me as being kind of odd how that rather deep standing water in the gutters can stay standing up and over those hills. As I said, just a passing observation.

for the little puddles (not water splashes) it's because they are procedurally generated (this is also why they don't respond to the car driving through them, why they don't affect grip when you hit them, and why they make no sound as you drive through). it's like that in every location in the game that has running water.

first photo shows big puddle on an uphill.

second shows where there should essentially be a small watersplash because it's the lowest point in the area (ie in all directions, not just along the road), but there's nothing.

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In the short term, until the daytime is fixed, it would be nice not to have every online event in daytime. So far every daily has been.

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Another Finn reporting in.

I too hope the fog gets removed from Finland. I find it VERY distracting. I am an Oculus CV1 user and in the headset it actually makes seeing at any distance very hard. It's on the verge of making the Finnish rally unplayable.

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15 minutes ago, FINPePe said:

It's on the verge of making the Finnish rally unplayable.

It must be bug then or you exaggerating. I'm using Vive and I can say it's far away from being unplayable. In fact I wasn't noticing the fog till you guys raised the issue.

 

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42 minutes ago, MaXyMsrpl said:

It must be bug then or you exaggerating. I'm using Vive and I can say it's far away from being unplayable. In fact I wasn't noticing the fog till you guys raised the issue.

 

 

Maybe Vive has better contrast and it makes it easier to see? Exaggerating I am not. This is a good example from previous page:

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Looks pretty bad. The worst fog is exactly where your eyes should be when you are driving fast and planning your driving line and braking points ahead. It doesn't make seeing impossible, but it is very distracting and makes me feel like there is something wrong with my eyesight.

The Finnish stages are very fast in nature and this makes the fog feel a lot more intrusive than it would on other slower stages, when you are driving faster you need to be looking further ahead. Judging the shape and size of crests and jumps in distance is very important for effective driving.

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I know Finland is pretty fast. But I wouldn't say the fog makes it unplayable (as you can see below)
I admit there is fog layer... but as I said, I didn't find it critical to drive fast.
Below you can see my the first attempt a few days ago, recorded from Vive (I know, it doesn't translate what I my eyes can see in Vive)

 

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We have to agree to disagree. I do find it very distracting. Eyesight is not something I should be thinking while driving :).

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No it's not when it's unrealistically hard to see.

Problem with this generation (well CV1 is actually getting a little old, showing it's age here) of HMD's is a poor eyesight even without the fog. Adding fog to it just makes it that bit worse.

Currently I am adapting because I have no choice. But I would much prefer not to, that fog removes a lot of needed contrast from the view. Without the fog it would be easier to judge the shape of the road. Would feel closer to IRL.

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I think the bumpers are useless in the game. They were already useless in DR1 and Dirt4 and are now useless in DR2. And Finland offers the best proof of that.
Some cars are much too low and you can't put them higher.

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6 minutes ago, PaulNbg said:

I think the bumpers are useless in the game. They were already useless in DR1 and Dirt4 and are now useless in DR2. And Finland offers the best proof of that.
Some cars are much too low and you can't put them higher.

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What is not understandable about my statement? There are bumpers in the car-setup menu.  What is their function? It would be new to me if only the springs were there, because they also increase the springback, also called rebound. In addition, I only want to dampen the fast Suspension, not the slow.

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31 minutes ago, PaulNbg said:

What is not understandable about my statement? There are bumpers in the car-setup menu.  What is their function? It would be new to me if only the springs were there, because they also increase the springback, also called rebound. In addition, I only want to dampen the fast Suspension, not the slow.

on the Damping tab? those are for absorbing bumps in the road, so like Argentina is the worst (or best if that's your kind of thing) for this. but you also want to do things here for Poland because you're going fast as hell but it's also bumpy. I'm not going to explain in more detail because tuning cars is not my expertise (neither is driving... I would make a great spectator maybe?)

the Springs tab is more what you want for Finland - ie the big jumps (but it's not just for big jumps of course). that is where you can raise the ride height and make the springs firmer so it lands the jumps better. 

also (I think) not all the cars have all the same options because a lot of these things are not modifiable on older pre-2000s cars. so for example here's what the Damping tab looks like on the 95 Impreza vs the 08 Impreza

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43 minutes ago, PaulNbg said:

What is not understandable about my statement?

The meaning of the word Bumpers.

These are bumpers for a car.

 

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I think he meant bump... Slow bump, fast bump. But yeah i was also confused by his post at first. But important to remember not everyone speaks English as a first language and some things don't translate well from one language to another. 

I don't mind the fog in Finland personally. But i have also experienced that weird flash of light someone mentioned in an earlier post. On PS4 Pro so it's not Xbox exclusive. 

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Why we need to wait for any fog info? If it's design, then OK. If it's broken, then OK. I love Finland but it would be nice to know something about the fog. This is like Forza again 😄

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