WRC 9

[Pistro]

1 minute ago, Pfei said:

The problem is that in that supposed beta video of Argentina you don't know who's driving, how hard he's pushing or if he is using assists. 

I even doubt the credibility of that video being that it's from an unknown source. It seems to me to be an unintentional leak of an internal dev build. In every way possible it looks 10x worse than the alfa from the live stream two months ago. 

It doesn't matter who's driving a car if you can clearly see that it has too much grip compared to reality. Also, in simulation type of games, such as Dirt Rally 2.0 and WRC 8, assists do not increase the ammount of grip. If you did some testing in Dirt Rally 2.0 you would know that they actually make the cars go slower, because all they do is limit and modulate the ammount of input, applied by a player, to make the cars easier to drive.

[Buckwilder]

4 hours ago, Pfei said:

The problem is that in that supposed beta video of Argentina you don't know who's driving, how hard he's pushing or if he is using assists. 

I even doubt the credibility of that video being that it's from an unknown source. It seems to me to be an unintentional leak of an internal dev build. In every way possible it looks 10x worse than the alfa from the live stream two months ago. 

Agreed. Whoever was driving - wasn’t doing well. Inverse apex’s, no power out of corners, no effective use of handbrake to keep the car’s attitude pointing in the direction of travel etc.

All I am saying is that the verdict on the game’s handling attributes or lack thereof need to be assessed once the game is released. Sure we can take away or surmise reality but it’s all in vain as watching a video (while somewhat telltale) - only offers up part of the truth.

[Madhun1967]

Look how the Citroen "bleeds" speed in every corner ....................IMHO has no "weight" at all , loses momentum way too quick and then just chucking it straightens it out right away ,aka not real life 

[SoBoog]

On 4/9/2019 at 5:24 AM, wfwr26 said:

If WRC can get the physics and ffb right, its going to be a great game.  They are claiming to be overhauling both as well as the co-driver.  For me its a must buy.  Just look at the jump from WRC-6 to what we are seeing as an alpha in WRC-8. The stages we've got to see look incredible. Instead of bashing these games guys, its more like what a great time to be alive that we will have hopefully more than one awesome rally game. I wish DR2.0 had some form of modern top tier rally car, but they dont. Heck we cant even get the 2010 class from DR1.  WRC is going to have what 14-15 locations with 100 stages?  And they are going to have historical cars in the game as well.  Not bashing codies here, but they better get the issues sorted because it looks like a worthy opponent is finally showing up. Heck their rain effects already look better than the glaucoma ridden rain in dr.  I like how they dont have the rain drops on the screen like a mid 90s sega genesis game. 

NIGHT NOODLES! is what we call the rain in DR 2

 

[ianism]

MC looks very pretty. physics from chase cams look quite arcadey compared to DR2.0. I'm not saying that as a criticism - I've mostly played arcade racing games so I'd be down to check this out maybe if it reviews well - it's just what it looks like to me. 

also for the framerate connoisseurs (I'm not one of them,  promise lol) ... I think he mentions it's locked at 30fps

 

[Jake Cushing]

24 minutes ago, ianism said:

also for the framerate connoisseurs (I'm not one of them,  promise lol) ... I think he mentions it's locked at 30fps

 

LOL well if that's the case for the consoles, for me that's the end of the story for this game!

30fps is unplayable after Dirt's 60fps standard-setting.

Edit: The comment was actually that 'On the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, they are aiming for 60fps'

So there is some hope for this. But they really have to get a better co-driver than some barking colonel cobbled together from WW1 newsreel audio.

 

[ianism]

5 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

Edit: The comment was actually that 'On the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, they are aiming for 60fps'

So there is some hope for this. But they really have to get a better co-driver than some barking colonel cobbled together from WW1 newsreel audio.

ok, thanks. couldn't be bothered to go watch again to check.

and ugh totally he is awful. it's not 2003 anymore, get someone who doesn't sound like a football commentator.

[FLAW3D]

6 hours ago, ianism said:

MC looks very pretty. physics from chase cams look quite arcadey compared to DR2.0. I'm not saying that as a criticism - I've mostly played arcade racing games so I'd be down to check this out maybe if it reviews well - it's just what it looks like to me. 

also for the framerate connoisseurs (I'm not one of them,  promise lol) ... I think he mentions it's locked at 30fps

 

Camera view and FOV looks perfect. Graphically very nice as well but 30fps on consoles means im out unless they can hit 60 on Pro & X 

[SirSilverLXVIII]

For me 30fps doesn't cut it for driving and racing games so ill pass.

[danielofifi]

I don't mind 30 fps as long as the handling model is good enough. SLRE was in 30 fps but the handling was so good (especially on tarmac) that I still come back to the game from time to time.

[Decks]

Looks pretty awful here imo. The sound is just terrible. 

[FLAW3D]

2 hours ago, Decks said:

Looks pretty awful here imo. The sound is just terrible. 

Too foggy, The sound doesnt seem that bad. The pops crackles and bangs are much better done than in Dirt. 

[MJV1973]

Looks pretty decent arcade rallying, however I´m too old for that
Co-driver could take his gasmask off.

[Tranzitive]

game is looking great to me. i love the new dynamic weather. also love how they've modeled wear for each individual tire. even in WRC7 the tire wear was much better done than in DR2.0. not sure why they got that guy to do the co-driver calls, it sounds terrible, but i do really like how the co-driver gives you much more information than the co-driver in DR2.0. i never really had any problems with the calls in WRC7 but in DR2.0 the calls are hugely problematic. 

[caerphoto]

9 hours ago, Tranzitive said:

in DR2.0 the calls are hugely problematic. 

Steady on with the hyperbole man. There are a few calls that are too late, or have incorrect severity, but the vast majority of them are perfectly fine.

[ACSwift]

When Dirt Rally 2 first came out, I went back and forth between that and WRC 7. Once I got used to the car handling of DR2, I couldn’t go back to WRC anymore. With the latter, I always turn the car too early because I was anticipating forward momentum that was not there.

[Pfei]

@gk9147 I think the WRC 8 stuff belongs here.

Regarding the 100+ stages, it looks like Kylotonn has borrowed a move from Codemasters' playbook by stitching stages together. 

Argentina has two stages which are reversed to make four in total. Then they stitch those two forward stages together and also reverse it to get two long stages. So "six" stages in total. 

That is unacceptable. I hate that in the DiRT Rallies and I'm sad to see another dev doing it. 

There is hope that it won't be like that throughout the game, however. Chile has four stages which are reversed, to make eight stages. No stage stitching in Chile. However the Chile stages look to all be 8km or less. 

[warpengage]

10 hours ago, Pfei said:

@gk9147 I think the WRC 8 stuff belongs here.

Regarding the 100+ stages, it looks like Kylotonn has borrowed a move from Codemasters' playbook by stitching stages together. 

Argentina has two stages which are reversed to make four in total. Then they stitch those two forward stages together and also reverse it to get two long stages. So "six" stages in total. 

That is unacceptable. I hate that in the DiRT Rallies and I'm sad to see another dev doing it. 

There is hope that it won't be like that throughout the game, however. Chile has four stages which are reversed, to make eight stages. No stage stitching in Chile. However the Chile stages look to all be 8km or less. 

Pfei, let's be a little fair here and look from their perspective. We all want more stages, but we also want them to be of high fidelity. For this to happen, the game will have to be in development longer, because technology for accurate-to-life stage building still requires a lot of manual work. Some fans don't want to wait that long and it may not be financially sustainable, for the companies, not to release a title for a such a long period of time.

Think of a triangle with the following vertices: short dev-time, high amount of assets, high quality of assets. You can only pick two. It's how it currently works.

There's the 'Your Stage'-type generator, which was supposed to address this lack of unique kilometers, in rally games, but there were enough people preferring purpose built stages for them to ditch that system. They can't win.

Hiring more people to work on more stages could also be in the cards, but that may not financially feasable for these companies either.

 

 

[Pfei]

@warpengage I'm not whining about content. I'm whining about stage stitching. It's an unrealistic marketing ploy.

If Argentina only has four stages, so be it. Don't try to create two more out of thin air by gluing them together at the ends. 

What's worse: saying you have 100 stages and players realizing it's achieved by stage stitching, or having 75 stages and players thinking "what great stages"? 

The former is worse IMO. 

Although I do understand that most people don't research games like we do, hence the marketing ploy to excite unwary customers. 

[warpengage]

26 minutes ago, Pfei said:

@warpengage I'm not whining about content. I'm whining about stage stitching. It's an unrealistic marketing ploy.

If Argentina only has four stages, so be it. Don't try to create two more out of thin air by gluing them together at the ends. 

What's worse: saying you have 100 stages and players realizing it's achieved by stage stitching, or having 75 stages and players thinking "what great stages"? 

The former is worse IMO. 

Although I do understand that most people don't research games like we do, hence the marketing ploy to excite unwary customers. 

I, like you, and other informed players would gladly take a lower stage count because we know the work that goes into them and that they'll be of great quality. Like you said, though, people will just see a number of stages and if said number doesn't impress them enough, it's low effort. That's the unfortunate reality behind the padding.

[FLAW3D]

2 hours ago, Pfei said:

@warpengage I'm not whining about content. I'm whining about stage stitching. It's an unrealistic marketing ploy.

If Argentina only has four stages, so be it. Don't try to create two more out of thin air by gluing them together at the ends. 

What's worse: saying you have 100 stages and players realizing it's achieved by stage stitching, or having 75 stages and players thinking "what great stages"? 

The former is worse IMO. 

Although I do understand that most people don't research games like we do, hence the marketing ploy to excite unwary customers. 

I find reversing stages way more infuriating than stage stitching. 

Im praying Codies are not going to be reversing tracks for the up n coming GRID. 

[ianism]

to be fair, driving a stage in reverse is quite different from running it forwards. so I have no issue with including the reversed versions of stages. plus, if it was me that had spent all those hours modelling the landscapes, buildings, crowds, & etc, I would like it if people got to see it from as many angles as possible!

that said, pretending like you have 100 unique stages when really it's just 50 isn't really fair.

like, several of the locations in DR2.0 are just one real-life stage cut into two - Spain, Argentina and New Zealand are the ones I can think of off the top of my head... they're pretending it's 2-4 stages when really it's just one (admittedly, long) one.

[er185]

Wales Gameplay at night and rain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrNS6eLHZJk

[FLAW3D]

11 minutes ago, er185 said:

Wales Gameplay at night and rain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrNS6eLHZJk

Wow, So much atmosphere graphically. Kinda looks like a step up in gen compared to Dirt.  

[VirtuaIceMan]

That's a lovely rain effect

[Jake Cushing]

...all ruined by that unbelievably bad co-driver voicing.

[masa90]

That looks really cool! Hope that the handling is as good as the visuals. When is the release? September or October?

[Decks]

15 hours ago, FLAW3D said:

Wow, So much atmosphere graphically. Kinda looks like a step up in gen compared to Dirt.  

Although it won't look anything like that on the consoles. And it'll be running at 30fps. 

[Doohie]

2 hours ago, masa90 said:

That looks really cool! Hope that the handling is as good as the visuals. When is the release? September or October?

8 September

[ianism]

5 hours ago, masa90 said:

That looks really cool! Hope that the handling is as good as the visuals. 

hahahahaha, no.

these are straight arcade games. I like arcade games very much, but the handling model of the WRC games isn't even great for an arcade game, in my experience.

[FLAW3D]

3 hours ago, Decks said:

Although it won't look anything like that on the consoles. And it'll be running at 30fps. 

60fps on the Pro & X or aiming for right now. 

[FLAW3D]

10 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

...all ruined by that unbelievably bad co-driver voicing.

Is it possible thats just a place holder right now? I hope so. 

[Tranzitive]

cheeky that they released their gameplay footage of Wales just before it's about to drop for DR2.0 haha, wonder if it was intentional.

unfortunately i don't think it's a placeholder voice as it sounds like a different guy from WRC7. so the re-recorded the calls with a different guy and it still sounds pretty bad 🤯

at least the co-driver says the calls at a proper speed, unlike in DR2.0.

[cirad]

3 hours ago, FLAW3D said:

Is it possible thats just a place holder right now? I hope so. 

Unfortunately it’s very unlikely. The voice was bad in WRC 7 too – and the new one is already an improvement. 

[ianism]

On 7/12/2019 at 9:21 AM, Tranzitive said:

cheeky that they released their gameplay footage of Wales just before it's about to drop for DR2.0 haha, wonder if it was intentional.

agreed, it seems intentional. that's too much of a coincidence.

[er185]

New TeamVVV gameplay at Wales Rally

 

[StockTunesOnly]

Current word on the street from Rally Estonia was that the FFB in WRC8 absolutely destroys DR2.0 right now on TM wheels. That and they brought their surface physics up a ton and you can feel the differences when sliding from gravel -> sand and it feels amazing.

[richieI]

I wouldn't count too much on any 'word on the street' to be fair, but graphics look insane, the game looks amazing. Plus, triple screens always looks more immersive. Pretty sure the game is an improvement to the previous iteration, but watching the footage to me it's clear that it's no competition in terms of handling and physics. I can't see much chassis movement and weight transfer. It'll be fun, no doubt, but it's pretty hard to beat DR2.0 handling in my view.  

[Decks]

Yeah looking at the way the wheel is moving there I'd be amazed if the FFB "destroys" DR2.0.

[caerphoto]

37 minutes ago, richie said:

graphics look insane

I dunno about that. The lighting looks kinda primitive, and the surface and trackside objects not very detailed.

The environments are well-designed and have quite a lot of variety, which is indeed a good thing, and possibly better than DR2 in that regard, but they don't really hold up to close inspection from what I've seen.

[Madhun1967]

their FFB is junk and will be ..................cars handle like barges ,and in the visual feedback you can tell, that there is no "small" rattling bumps simulated, its all just "sweeping" undulating terrain elevations are mimicked .Besides that , no momentum and handbrake turns are like a joke.The lighting does look good and overall the graphics,though not as detailed as Dirt 2.0 look alright.

Sounds are also stone age,including riduciulous arcade  sounding codriver

[RallyLover19]

interesting the release date of Wales Rally gameplay now 🙂
 

 

[masa90]

It is bit weird when people say handling is bad without even trying it.

[richieI]

1 hour ago, caerphoto said:

I dunno about that. The lighting looks kinda primitive, and the surface and trackside objects not very detailed.

The environments are well-designed and have quite a lot of variety, which is indeed a good thing, and possibly better than DR2 in that regard, but they don't really hold up to close inspection from what I've seen.

Maybe 'insane' is a bit exaggerated and I must say I haven't had a closer look at all but from the footage I've seen so far I think it looks really nice. 

[StockTunesOnly]

1 hour ago, richie said:

I wouldn't count too much on any 'word on the street' to be fair, but graphics look insane, the game looks amazing. Plus, triple screens always looks more immersive. Pretty sure the game is an improvement to the previous iteration, but watching the footage to me it's clear that it's no competition in terms of handling and physics. I can't see much chassis movement and weight transfer. It'll be fun, no doubt, but it's pretty hard to beat DR2.0 handling in my view.  

They had the WRC8 truck at Rally Estonia and they held a little tournament on a demo build with the fans + drivers. A few of them are in clubs and Discords I hang around in, and one of them made it to the finals to race with 3 RX/Rally pros. I'll trust their judgement when they tell me the FFB blew them away and completely did a 180° on what you'd expect from a WRC game.

With how much they talked it up, with as many hours as they have in DR1/2, I'll take them at their word when they say they are seriously excited for WRC8 and will be buying it day one.

[StockTunesOnly]

And I'll just reiterate what I said on the other discord too - this is not a bad thing! This is fantastic, it means we have more competition in the rally game world, which will make all future games better for everyone. 

[richieI]

6 minutes ago, Mike Dee said:

They had the WRC8 truck at Rally Estonia and they held a little tournament on a demo build with the fans + drivers. A few of them are in clubs and Discords I hang around in, and one of them made it to the finals to race with 3 RX/Rally pros. I'll trust their judgement when they tell me the FFB blew them away and completely did a 180° on what you'd expect from a WRC game.

With how much they talked it up, with as many hours as they have in DR1/2, I'll take them at their word when they say they are seriously excited for WRC8 and will be buying it day one.

Kylotonn had to step up their game in terms of handling, physics and FFB. I remember when WRC6 was free to download on Xbox, I deinstalled it after a few minutes. As I said, no doubt people are excited about this game to be released and no doubt it'll be fun. If they succeed in creating more credible (surface) physics, we as customers can only benefit from it, but the videos are there to watch and re-watch, they're still miles away from DR2.0 imo. 

[Jake Cushing]

Their lighting at night looks superior to DR2.0.

As for the handling, who can tell? But if the game is less than 60fps on consoles like the last three, then forget about it, it's a non-starter.

At any rate, in keeping with that co-driver audio, it would be great to have a proper WW1 rally game sometime. This is what we all want, let's face it:

https://www.wired.com/2014/07/world-war-one-automobile/

 

 

[StockTunesOnly]

37 minutes ago, richie said:

Kylotonn had to step up their game in terms of handling, physics and FFB. I remember when WRC6 was free to download on Xbox, I deinstalled it after a few minutes. As I said, no doubt people are excited about this game to be released and no doubt it'll be fun. If they succeed in creating more credible (surface) physics, we as customers can only benefit from it, but the videos are there to watch and re-watch, they're still miles away from DR2.0 imo. 

And you're correct there, they did fault the physics a bit but they weren't 100% sure if it was that or if they had put assists on for everyone. They also were forced to run the cars in semi-auto or automatic (assumed for quick accessibility for the 150+ players that weekend) so that definitely threw a few of them off. But one thing was very clear and that was that a lot of time was put into the FFB at least and that it was vastly improved from before. With one of the biggest gripes in DR2 at launch being FFB, it honestly doesn't surprise me at all if they put some extra resources in there to try and use that angle to "authenticate" their experience. 

The other word was that WRC8 is finally leaning more towards sim than arcade. Not full sim yet, but they are leaning into their licensing deal a lot harder and focusing on the sim crowd more this time around.

[ianism]

ya, this looks like fun. we'll see about the handling. I sure as hell won't be buying it full price though.

I'm looking around for a cheap copy of WRC 7 now (for PS4), mostly because it's got splitscreen. I don't care if it looks like sheep butt - I just like that kind of stuff.