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mesa said:
Switch OFF assist and use H-shifter withc clucth. That makes the difference :dizzy: 
I vote on No I use steering wheel, because i think the grip seems realistic on most surfaces.

ps: I used to play with RBR since a decade long ago.
Yea, we have a expert here ! :) (just laughts, do not take it personally) because the H-shifter with clutch affect grip... 

RallyDriven
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You could brake this question down into a million sections. I'd brake it down into do you think it has too much grip and do you think Richard burns rally is 100% realistic? Or maybe do you have real world rally experience or are you just guessing?

because the majority of people who have real world experience think it's fine, including world rally driver Kevin Abbring

im not saying the game is perfect just yet, but it's minor tweaks to a few things, not a general overhaul of grip levels
If  Kevin Abbring would play wrc 4, would you say its simulation? He was just playing :) I don't think rbr is 100% realistic, but grip simulation is better (but not perfect, its very poor on lower speeds and tarmac) than in this game and there are some elements in the physics that are much more right in DiRT than in RBR.

Cafours
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Problem is sam its YOU that cannot get things sideways. Like i said before everything before and including group B  is definitely slidey enough. (maybe excluding the audi quattro)

I play with all the assists turned off, no hud, and ha pattern and clutch mode in game and my G27

this is the ford escort mk2, please note, slidey everywhere,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EAHu-cildk

and consider the speed i am travelling when you think about the braking distance.
You should watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh_SWN0BsZQ
 ... watch steering wheel ;driver on every corner is countering and having fun with gas, dispensing it slighty, not driving with straigt steering wheel and kepping the gas pedal on 100%, professional rally driving with rwd car is about about following he road with a steering wheel, and controling the slide with a throttle (btw no one of rally drivers lock diff, like in dirt, they are limited slip but no locked).

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I'll leave these videos and tell me how it can get better with regards to getting used to the grip and the physics.  Sorry, didn't get a shot of my setup, but I'm using a G27 (Automatic Gear/ Left Paddle for Handbrake)

http://youtu.be/WljPt4Xcotc

cockpit
http://youtu.be/kt1KY3fNs7I

thanks

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Game has no 'feel' in terms of grip/inertia/surface resistance/wheel feedback. It's not simply about tyres. I say 'Game' because in its present state it cannot be considered a Sim. This is a massive missed opportunity and a huge disappointment for all Rally Sim fans.

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Ledanek said:
I'll leave these videos and tell me how it can get better with regards to getting used to the grip and the physics.
Why should we need to "get used to the grip and the physics"? I have been driving for 42 years and I am already used to the grip and physics involved in driving all kinds of vehicles on all kinds of surfaces. If the grip and physics need be relearned for this game then it's a clear indication that they bear no resemblance to reality and are therefore wrong.

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I initially thought this, but then I remembered that people once called Assetto Corsa "simcade" and accused it of having too much grip (and probably still do). As someone who's set a few AC world records in his time, if you're complaining it has too much grip, you're not pushing hard enough. When you're at the very limits of the car, it's a whole different story.

Same story with DiRT Rally, I came to realise. I will admit that at super high speed it does seem to stick a little too well, but the rest of the time - which is most of the time - when you get the car setup right and you've got the driving technique down, you can sling it about and slide like nobody's business. tl;dr - push harder.

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Im curious, how many people here have actual real life experience of driving a car on gravel, or even of driving a car at competition speed on gravel and even then of actual experience of driving one of the cars contained in this game? - I'm going to guess not many. I have and I can tell you that from my personal experience the game is pretty darn good. I think there are some small issues that take a while to get used to, for instance there is when driving the rwd cars, clearly to much grip or bite from the tyres when sliding with the brakes on, but its not a game breaker.

The rwd cars also do not seem to spin the wheels enough when on gravel and the braking distance seem quite a bit shorter than im used to, especially when braking from 5th for a square corner, but then this is a game so its hard to tell, as all the other senses are not being used.

I think my biggest concern is that people are able to drive the Mk2 for instance, or even the 4wd cars on gravel and do not seem to have to set the car up correctly to get it to turn in and balance it on throttle before and through the corners, to get round them safely and quickly, that to me is where the game is falling down, or that their throttle modulation seems to be full on or off and that's just not close to how you have to drive in RL.

I will add that there is a lot of grip in real life, as long as you are setting the car up correctly and modulating your braking and entry speed.

Craig Breen - evo 9

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DloiJhzeLpQ


Joe Price in a mk2 escort, but with sequential box and trick diff on same stage as video above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZfISsBI_bE


Joe price in escort with normal box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXREnH8SB0M

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The gravel might have a tad too much friction. The cars slow down too much while you just let go off the throttle. Almost like you are applying some brakes.

I tweeted with Coleman. They seem to be open to tweak some stuff if needed.

https://twitter.com/b0gani/status/596291741566795776

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I agree, the difference between the snowy part in the hills, the wet tarmac (also black top) and the frozen parts (also black ice) is not really there. The first time I came to such a chance in the surface I went straight in the snowbank on the inside because I was expecting a less controllable car. 
I'm a rally co-driver myself and it would be interesting to see if there's a "scandinavian flick" possible on swedish stages, or the snow parts of Monte Carlo it's not possible.

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I agree, the difference between the snowy part in the hills, the wet tarmac (also black top) and the frozen parts (also black ice) is not really there. The first time I came to such a chance in the surface I went straight in the snowbank on the inside because I was expecting a less controllable car. 
I'm a rally co-driver myself and it would be interesting to see if there's a "scandinavian flick" possible in on swedish stages, ob the snow parts of Monte Carlo it's not possible.

It's possible on gravel so hopefully it will be possible in Sweden.

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hi;
Too much grip for me too ! the differences between surfaces seems to be coherent, but i think it shoud have a bit less grip overall.

it's very difficult for example to make an "appel contre-appel" '(pendulum in english...?). it's may be linked with the FFB incoherence but i think it's essentially because of the grip that is a bit too high.

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Hello,
User with a wheel here.

The grip seems fine on the two gravel rallies ... maybe just a bit too much at low speed (it seems your wheels are just not spinning when you get your right foot through the floor)

However, as said earlier, Monte Carlo is totally off, it feels like there is no grip change, dry tarmac all over the place: With everything turned off in the driver assistance,  It still is nearly impossible to powerslide a good old Gr.4 or Rwd Gr.A ... which with about 250 bhp or more is  a real shame - and for me takes the fun away -.  At the moment, you can just drive them like 4wd cars, even when it snows (so the road should be wet..)

I think the change of  grip should be a lot stronger when you hit snow or ice, the cars should just ... lose grip....  wag their tails -still for rwd's-. (no need to go extreme like in RSRBR where you can't drive at all with tarmac tyres .. but the difference MUST be noticeable, these cars must be able to slide).

Nb: I am aware that it would be harder for gamepad users.... but then maybe a simple "grip setting" Normal/Realistic could do the trick.
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To sum it up, I'd like to see:
- Realistic grip changes in Monte Carlo
- Less grip at low speed when you put the power down, so your wheels do spin. (thinking 1st and 2nd gear kind of speed), especially for 2wd cars.

See you on the stages!


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@wildmanfr 
Basically You are reading my mid. Or my posts ;) This is exactly what I am preaching on this boards.

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After getting "trapped" inside the bowl of Sweet Lamb, on rainy conditions, I'm starting to agree with the "too much grip"
observation. 
I'm not a Rally IRL, but, at least on RSRBR/DiRT2-3 I can  do a Scandinavian Flick.
I'm doing my best to perform one with the WRC Escort, Subaru or Stratos.
I agree with tire spin on 1-2 gear would be nice, so I can "pendulum" the rear of the car.
I'm experimenting with various differential settings, with similar disappointing result.

Hope Codemasters read this and make a patch.

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When talking about diff settings- on AWD is setup fron max loose, and rear max stiff. On RWD rear max stiff minus one click. Any other tips how to setup cars?
EDIT: BTW am I the only one surprised on percentage of wheel owners? I expected gamepad users to be majority here. Either I was totally wrong, or not everyone is being honest.

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I dont know the technical aspect of this but I feel that the cars stop to quick when you lift the throttle and when you accelerate there are too little Ohmp so to say.

With hundreds of horsepowers you expect a bit more Ohmp at full acceleration in first gear.

This is just fine adjustments but it means a lot for the total driving experience.

Hope this makes sense to the devs !
I couldn't agree more. Especially modern WRC cars are way too grippy. Codies should set grip level to low for all cars for starters, currently only older cars has low grip in use.

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SamRWD said:
When talking about diff settings- on AWD is setup fron max loose, and rear max stiff. On RWD rear max stiff minus one click. Any other tips how to setup cars?
EDIT: BTW am I the only one surprised on percentage of wheel owners? I expected gamepad users to be majority here. Either I was totally wrong, or not everyone is being honest.
Even in hard core simulation communities like GTR2, various flight sims, etc. entry-level sim controllers (ie. Driving Force GT) and game pads (ie. F310, Xbox, etc.) make up at least a third to a half of the community. This doesn't surprise me at all.

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Someone over at NoGrip DiRT Rally videos has a video of him killing the Sweet Lamb stage, throttle at max and giving a very tight hairpin turn. As if this "too much grip" issue doesn't exist.  He does drive manual and really masterfully does it.

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Tarmac has too much, especially in wet / on ice. Even the FWD cars drive well on tarmac....  And they're a joke. 

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Ledanek said:
I'll leave these videos and tell me how it can get better with regards to getting used to the grip and the physics.
Why should we need to "get used to the grip and the physics"? I have been driving for 42 years and I am already used to the grip and physics involved in driving all kinds of vehicles on all kinds of surfaces. If the grip and physics need be relearned for this game then it's a clear indication that they bear no resemblance to reality and are therefore wrong.
 
Take the same road, over and over again, you'll eventually "learn" your fastest line or route, right? You drive a Toyota Camry one year, eventually you'll learn that it drives differently than a Audi A6.  Completely different. 
Take Pug T16 Evo, learn how it drives. It's different than a Subaru right?  Now that you've learn how a Pug T16 Evo drives, how far you need to break early, how far you turn the wheel, how soon can you flick your handbrake, etc...now concentrate on learning that tight hairpin...replay it over and over....until you learn to nail that hairpin.  Go to the next challenging part of  the stage...replay it over and over....until you learn

It's a game.
It's not reality.
It's escapism at best.

Before
http://youtu.be/MnVLiAHV-gI

After
http://youtu.be/TpRRuDsCMmY

 o:) 


Still........... there's too much grip...get back to work Codemasters 

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You should watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh_SWN0BsZQ

 ... watch steering wheel ;driver on every corner is countering and having fun with gas, dispensing it slighty, not driving with straigt steering wheel and kepping the gas pedal on 100%, professional rally driving with rwd car is about about following he road with a steering wheel, and controling the slide with a throttle.
If the game actually drove like like this then children would complain and make comments like "real cars aren't that hard to drive" and "ice driving simulator 2015"

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I voted NO, but I have to review my vote. I think that the grip is OK with RWD and FWD cars, but there is slightly to much grip with AWD cars. I suppose we should be able to make some powerdrifts on gravel stages with 400 BHP AWD monster. currently it's impossible. 

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Yes (I am using a steering wheel)

Absolutely yes. The game has EXCESSIVE grip on all surfaces.
If you want an arcade game, leave it as is, but if you want a real simulator, you must correct this.

A rally car has a lot of inertia and the game does not.
If you decelerate the car slows down too much, and you can draw 90% of the curves (mostly asphalt) and that is not real.

I played for 20 years the most exijentes simulators rally, and this game is perhaps the most important aspect correct.

Observe this video of the WRC, this is the best example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N4qqO3EJm8

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