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On 1/22/2020 at 10:41 PM, fifomaniak said:

I would recommend dropping that F1 rim, too. Get something round.

Everyone's saying this and while they're right to a degree I intentionally made this choice for the long-term.

I may consider this when I think about upgrading but for now I'm happy with what I've got.

 

On 1/23/2020 at 12:07 AM, BluecatRally said:

might have a dabble at your control stage and see what time I can get.

It's a good Stage 🙂

Has a few tight sections, a few very fast ones, a mix of tarmac and gravel and a few jumps and tricky edges.

Only thing it's missing really is a tight hairpin.

 

On 1/23/2020 at 3:43 AM, BadFlounder said:

You don’t need the locking screw if you are using the quick release so you can just pop the rims off and on as needed.

One of the reasons I bought the Fanatec 🙂 

Side-note on Day 1 I was struggling so hard I shook the safety pin out of its hold.

 

On 1/23/2020 at 4:01 PM, Pioy said:

Mostly becouse high framerate/refresh if we talk about Dirt.

I'm on an Xbox One X which usually gets 60. A bit of tearing here and there but otherwise solid.

Shame replays are locked to 30 though, but there's probably a reason for it.

 

On 1/23/2020 at 4:01 PM, Pioy said:

Not to mention plenty of games which are able to be modded on PC, and/or are PC exclusives, and still to have high framerate/refresh.

Never really been interested in modding, I like having the same base game as everyone else.

Exclusive-wise I have Assetto Corsa Competizione but I haven't played since Early Access and even then only gave it a go for a short amount of time. May go back to it at some stage.

 

11 hours ago, Brewww said:

The REV Lights aren't supported by Xbox's peripheral protocol. In general the Xbox protocol is limited compared to PS4, and ofc even more compared to PC.

 

But tbh, I myself have migrated from Xbox to PC, and I'd rather turn off the REV lights, theyre not rly that helpful. I prefer the game's OSD rev and speedometer which also highlights gear shifting timing.

I spoke with our wheel expert and apparently it's something to do with the firmware of the rim, since it was released after the game. When connected to the CSL Elite Base the data Fanatec sends to the game is unusual and so the game has to brand it "Steering Wheel" instead of "Fanatec Formula V2".

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Day 5 - Time Played: 3 Hours

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  • Time Gained: 3 seconds
  • Places Gained: 142

 

I was able to get in more wheel time today than previously, as I was working from home and didn't have to commute. Just under an hour for lunch plus a few more in the evening gave me a solid session.

During lunch I didn't have time for a full Career Event so I did the Petter Solberg Challenge and a few Dailies. Wasn't aiming for anything here, just wanted more seat time.

For the evening session I upped the rotation to 360 as watching the replay of the previous Time Trial I saw I was too aggressive on turn-in thanks to the lower setting of 300. 360 is the highest I plan on going.

I started off with Rallycross this time as I was one Event away from promotion to Clubman. I knew going into this that the AI would pose no challenge and that the car wasn't going to threaten me, so I used it as an opportunity to try out some settings. After @fifomaniak's comment yesterday about the Suspension setting I tried some races with it at 0, 150 and 75. I didn't like the lack of road feel at 0, and at 75 it felt too weak also so I've settled on 110 for now. I don't get any on the tarmac sections but I imagine I don't need it there anyway.

I won the Rallycross Event with ease and it was time for Germany in Rally. I'm getting the hang of the Fulvia now and its low speed so it wasn't particularly challenging in and of itself. What was tricky however was the fact that I used Wet Tyres for all 4 Stages (based on the game's recommendations since there was rain in a few). I overshot quite a few braking points, especially the blind or downhill ones, but by the end I was feeling fine there too and given that I had no major offs the AI posed no challenge.  

This brought me on to the Benchmark run, which ended up taking about 20 attempts before I got a clean run. The reason for this was that I was no longer "figuring out" the car and Stage, I was actively pushing myself to go faster and take more risks. Some sectors where I braked in the past I would now try to lift, and some I'd try to take flat-out or shave a little bit more off the apex. I had one run where I was set to be at least 4 seconds faster but a puncture in the final sector burned that away.

In the end I got a time 3 seconds faster than my PB, despite a scary two-wheels moment near the end. There's more time in that but 284th on the board (33rd on Xbox) seems pretty good with a stock Tuning Setup. I reckon there's another 4 or 5 seconds in that before I need to tune the car.

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" You don’t need the locking screw if you are using the quick release so you can just pop the rims off and on as needed. "  That's not true, the locking screw should be tightened pretty hard to prevent the rim from moving on the contacts/shaft.  You can damage your wheel and base over time by not keeping the screw tight when using substantial FFB forces.

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9 hours ago, PJTierney said:

I'm on an Xbox One X which usually gets 60. A bit of tearing here and there but otherwise solid.

By high framerate I consider 100+ 😛 I'm just saying I feel the difference, even on 60 Hz display. However probably there is no point to making you happy by force 😛

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9 hours ago, PJTierney said:

Never really been interested in modding, I like having the same base game as everyone else.

Well maybe it's a bit against what I've written above about making you happy, but you mentioned Assetto Corsa Competizione. The old Assetto Corsa, not the new Competizione, is title which has extraordinary amount of modded content. Tracks around the world. For example, I'm from Poland which has the only one hi grade race track in Poznań (tbh I live about 100 km away :P). Guess what 😉

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6 hours ago, Pioy said:

The old Assetto Corsa, not the new Competizione, is title which has extraordinary amount of modded content.

I just saw a video where a bunch of people have modded in 300km of Tokyo highways for that true Wangan Midnight experience 😎

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3 hours ago, PJTierney said:

I just saw a video where a bunch of people have modded in 300km of Tokyo highways for that true Wangan Midnight experience 😎

You can also get the majority of mountain passes used in initial d for the original assetto corsa. As well as roads like the transfagarasan highway. The thing with the original assetto corsa, is that kunos supported mods. It basically replaced rfactor in that regard. Tracks are the number one downloaded thing. But in the past year or so,  some very good mod makers have added time of day and weather. Including rain and wet track effects. Its very much worth taking a look at.

The pc version allows custom online servers as well, so there are some wonderful race/track/car configs out there. From nurburgring tourist track servers, to full on touge racing and drifting servers and formula 1 racing. Its pretty much got everything available to it.

Since assetto corsa is not a closed off game like dirt rally 2.0 is, the mods dont tend to unbalance things. The mods tend to enchance the original assetto corsa quite considerably.

Assetto Corsa competizion is like dr2.0 in regards to modding stance. Which is good, since its a much more focused games than the original assetto corsa. Definetly worth not getting the 2 confused.

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Day 6 - Time Played: 1.5 Hours

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  • Time Gained: 3 seconds
  • Places Gained: 107

 

No settings changes today, just wheel time.

First up was Career Rally, last Event in the Lancia Fulvia before I move on to a faster car. Monte Carlo was largely pleasant although the ice caught me out on Stage 3 with an early puncture. A sudden blowout later on meant I had no spare tyre going into Stage 4, and after struggling to get to the end I eventually slid off the road for Terminal Damage. Had enough points to guarantee promotion to Clubman though, where I'll likely drive the RS1800 in Rally and the Crosskart in Rallycross.

I followed up by doing the Daily Challenges as they seemed like a good opportunity to try a few different cars. The Mitsubishi NR4 was a dream to drive, the Audi Sport quattro tried to kill me and the VW Golf Kitcar was good when I wasn't driving too quickly. The RX2 was surprisingly tough, as the wheel seemed real heavy whenever I countersteered; it made for a tough driving experience even with no other cars on the track.

Benchmark run was up next and just like before I was looking to find places where I could go faster or cleaner than my PB. My first sector is real good now, almost optimal and I managed to find some time towards the end too to beat my PB by another 3 seconds. I'm now in the Top 200 globally and in the Top 20 on Xbox.

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Day 7 - Time Played: 1.5 Hours

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  • Time Gained: 1 second
  • Places Gained: 22

 

I started off today by doing a full Event in the Ford Escort MKII, first time using RWD on this setup.

The first 2 Stages of Greece were tricky as I was getting to grips with the car, resulting in quite a few spins and drops off the edge of the road. One thing I've come to expect on a pad is a sense of vibration when I've put too much throttle down, but I don't get that on the wheel and it took 2 Stages to adjust to that behaviour.

Once I got it settled down and stopped overdriving the car the rest of the Event went rather smoothly. I didn't quite win as I lost too much time in the opening Stages but I put in some clean runs as I got the hang of the car.

The Benchmark run was interesting today. I'm now learning the Stage more than I'm learning the Fiesta R5, and finding places to optimise my lines. I gained a second on my PB today but looking at the splits I could have been up by more; I was up by a second on Sector 2 and again on Sector 4, but a slower 1 and 3 cancelled out the big gains.

I feel I've almost taken a stock setup as far as I can now, though with a perfect run I could potentially get into Top 100 Global. I'm already on the top page of the Xbox standings, 12th overall on the platform.

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Day 8 - Time Played: 1.5 Hours

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  • Time Gained: 1 second
  • Places Gained: 28

 

More progress today, particularly in the Escort where my next Event was at Australia. Things just seemed to click for more of the rally, as I was well in control of the car for the majority of Stages and amassed a 2 minute lead going into the final Stage. Admittedly I used Restart a few times on the final run as I was nursing a misaligned front wheel but I eventually got a clean one together and won the Event.

The Benchmark run went even smoother than previous days as I immediately beat my PB on my first attempt. Again I was slower in Sector 1 but found massive amounts of time in Sectors 2 and 3. I'm now 9th on Xbox and closing in on the Top 100 overall, still with a stock Fiesta R5. There's at least another 2 seconds in that car before I hit uncomfortably fast territory. 

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Day 9 - Time Played: 2 Hours

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  • Time Gained: 3 seconds
  • Places Gained: 42

 

I arrived home late from work today (preparing a big DiRT announcement with a lot to get done) but was still determined to get some seat time in and managed a full, intense session.

First up was Sweden in the Escort MKII, which was relatively trouble free. It took me a Stage to figure out how the car felt on the snow but once I got the hang of it the AI posted no challenge and I beat them by 2 minutes. Promotion to the next difficulty seems inevitable now.

Next was the Benchmark run and I beat it on my first attempt. Not satisfied with my run I went again, and beat it once more. Still not satisfied, I pushed harder and it took me an hour to beat my (new) PB, but I eventually put together a super-brave run and am now under the 3:20 barrier. Based on the splits I should be able to pick up another 7 tenths with a perfect run.

I'm in 6th on Xbox and in the Top 100 across all platforms. I'm fairly sure I won't be able to beat this on a controller.

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Short clip of the benchmark run since I did that first today.

 

Found a second in Sector 2 but lost it again in Sector 4 😞 

 

 

 

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@PJTierney, a little question: Do you use anything to stop the rumbling from the steering wheel to go into the floor? I had a seat and steeringwheel some years ago, but I had to get rid of it because the force feedback and rumbling went into the floor and could easily be heard by the people living under my flat. I don’t want that to happen again... 😳

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1 hour ago, Kjell007 said:

@PJTierney, a little question: Do you use anything to stop the rumbling from the steering wheel to go into the floor? I had a seat and steeringwheel some years ago, but I had to get rid of it because the force feedback and rumbling went into the floor and could easily be heard by the people living under my flat. I don’t want that to happen again... 😳

My FFB is at 70 and the Playseat is rock solid.

Also, the space under my flat is commercial so no worries about waking up the neighbours 😄 

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Day 10 - Time Played: 2 Hours

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  • Time Gained: 1 second
  • Places Gained: 17

 

I started out with a quick Benchmark run today (mainly so I could show off on Twitter) and happened to beat my PB by 3 tenths.

After that it was off to Monte Carlo in the Escort. The sensation through the wheel was interesting to say the least. On the snow and Ice I wasn't feeling anything, which was to be expected but as soon as I hit dry tarmac the wheel got very heavy. I had a few slip-ups thanks to the varying conditions (and RWD on ice) but still ended up taking the Event win. Wales and Finland left before I potentially get promoted.

With that done it was back to the Benchmark for a proper run. I knew there was time to be gained as my PB had some scruffy sectors, but it also had a monstrously quick Sector 2 so it was touch and go. Still though, I threw caution to the wind and after a few attempts came out almost 2 seconds up.

I was still down by a second in Sector 2 though so a low 3:17 is possible with the stock Fiesta R5. I think I want to hit that before I consider tuning the car. I'm now in the Top 70 overall and 5th on Xbox (where I'm only 2 seconds off World Record pace).

Oh, and I recognise some names on the board now so I must be getting quick. Hello @Snaky115 and @SereneLogic 🙂 

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19 hours ago, Kjell007 said:

@PJTierney, a little question: Do you use anything to stop the rumbling from the steering wheel to go into the floor? I had a seat and steeringwheel some years ago, but I had to get rid of it because the force feedback and rumbling went into the floor and could easily be heard by the people living under my flat. I don’t want that to happen again... 😳

i would suggest getting something like this and placing your rig on top of it if the vibrations are going through the floor. rubber is very good at absorbing shocks and impacts. and it will stop your rig from damaging the flooring too if you have vinyl or wood floors which could dent if you have a heavy rig on it: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001AMJLBG?linkCode=xm2&th=1&psc=1

if you want extra insulation you can even place a layer of those foam exercise tiles on top of the rubber. those are usually much cheaper but not as good at absorbing and dissipating impacts. if you want to go the cheap route, buy some of the foam tiles first, and then if the neighbours still complain, get some of the rubber ones. this is just an example of the foam tiles: https://www.amazon.com/IncStores-Exercise-Tiles-Portable-Interlocking/dp/B0113D5JF8/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=PcTxv0VqNiyaaVrmtQ-Kuw&hsa_cr_id=8335101930901&ref_=sb_s_sparkle_slot

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Day 11 - Time Played: 2 Hours

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  • Time Gained: 0.4 seconds
  • Places Gained: 2

 

Started off this session in the Escort again, this time round Wales. I haven't driven Wales since before it was released so I was a little rusty, and dropped a minute on the leader in the opening 2 Stages.

I felt that that would rule me out of a win but some good runs thereafter helped me catch up. I was still about 20 seconds off the leader going into the final Stage but fortunately they had an Unexpected Moment and fell off the timesheets, giving me the win.

The Benchmark run (which was over an hour) was frustrating as I couldn't seem to beat my Personal Best despite driving well. In the end I applied @2Technical's setup and found 4 tenths after a few runs. There's more in the car I'm sure, once I get used to the slightly longer gearing.

Just for curiosity I tried the Mitsubishi Space Star and found that I could gain half a second in Sector 1 and a whole second in Sector 2. I drop off towards the end but I have a feeling I'll switch cars if I can't go much further with the Fiesta.

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5 hours ago, Tranzitive said:

i would suggest getting something like this and placing your rig on top of it if the vibrations are going through the floor. rubber is very good at absorbing shocks and impacts. and it will stop your rig from damaging the flooring too if you have vinyl or wood floors which could dent if you have a heavy rig on it: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001AMJLBG?linkCode=xm2&th=1&psc=1

if you want extra insulation you can even place a layer of those foam exercise tiles on top of the rubber. those are usually much cheaper but not as good at absorbing and dissipating impacts. if you want to go the cheap route, buy some of the foam tiles first, and then if the neighbours still complain, get some of the rubber ones. this is just an example of the foam tiles: https://www.amazon.com/IncStores-Exercise-Tiles-Portable-Interlocking/dp/B0113D5JF8/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=PcTxv0VqNiyaaVrmtQ-Kuw&hsa_cr_id=8335101930901&ref_=sb_s_sparkle_slot

Thanks, mate. I will have a closer look at your suggestions. 🙂👍🏻

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Day 12 - Time Played: 2 Hours

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  • Time Gained: 0.9 seconds
  • Places Gained: 4

 

Started off in Career in the Escort again, this time at Finland. I was feeling reasonably happy with my run through the first stage until I misjudged a jump and wrapped it round a tree. I retired from the Event on the spot but since I already had a big points lead I won the Championship and got promoted to Pro.

That gave me some time to take on Rallycross and I've chosen the RWD Speedcar Xtreme for the Clumban Tier. It was quite a handful but once I started to drive more smoothly I did a lot better, and comfortably won the Event.

In the Time Trial I feel I'm approaching my limits now, as every run is either blindingly fast or ends with me rolling the car over a fence. I tried for almost an hour to beat my PB in the Ford Fiesta but failed to do so. Switching to the Mitsubishi Space Star gave me a few tenths and switching to the Volkswagen Golf gave me some more. I would like to set an Xbox World Record (which is a 3:35.5, or thereabouts), but even at my current pace level I feel I've already hit one of my goals for the year, as I highly doubt I can go this quick on a pad.

Over the last few days I was hearing some rattle from the pedals, and at the end of the session I figured out why; the mounting screws had begun to come loose from the Playseat. I tightened them up so they should be good to go again for a while.

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Day 13: Time Played - 2 Hours

 

No Time Trial improvement today, but I did manage to confirm one thing: I'm faster round that Stage than I am on a controller, so this marks one of my 2020 goals as complete.

I tried beating my Personal Best in the same car (Volkawagen Polo GTI R5) with the same tuning setup, and despite multiple attempts the best I could manage was a 3:18. That's still a very good time considering I was on a controller, but almost 2 seconds slower than my best time on the wheel.

Comparing it to the wheel runs I noticed that some sections felt much easier to handle on a pad, whereas others felt much stronger on a wheel. With the wheel you pretty much have to drive smoothly to be quick, whereas you can be a little more aggressive on the pad in some areas, at the cost of greater punishment when you go too far.

I did also have a go on the wheel and while I can make minor gains on individual sectors, stringing them all together for a perfect run takes a long time and can be rather frustrating, especially when you see no progress after an hour.

I think this is a natural stopping point, at least for that Time Trial run. I've hit my goal with it, showed that I can get good pace and learned a lot along the way. As I continue my move towards Masters Tier in My Team I'll be posting fewer updates here, since "I beat the AI again" isn't really an interesting thing to say every day. I'll probably pop back in with an update every so often though if anything significant happens.

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Hi all, just a quick update on how things are going:
 

  • Days 14-18 
    Rally: Drove the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI in Pro, and won most of the Events with ease to get promoted to Elite.
     
  • Days 14-16
    Rallycross: Drove the Ford RS200 Evolution in Pro. Currently only done one Event as I'm focusing on Rally.
     
  • Days 19-23:
    Rally: Drove the Mistubishi Lancer Evo X in Elite. Had a few close calls but won enough Events to get promoted to Masters.
     
  • Days 24-28:
    Rally: Been trying out a few different cars and classes, but am consistently 10 seconds off the pace.

 

I'm at a point now where I'm comfortable on the wheel and generally confident in my driving ability.

The challenge is the sheer pace of the AI at Masters, which is starting to become frustrating. While in the lower Tiers I could pick any car and have a shot at victory, that is less so here and even in cars where I'm pushing hard and driving well I'm off the pace. That pace may come eventually, but I don't want it to be at a cost of enjoying the game so I'm currently exploring a few different Classes in Custom vs 100% AI (Masters is around 95-100 difficulty).

I've also adjusted my goals slightly and want to win both Masters Championships before the release of the FLAT OUT Pack on March 24. Once that's out I intend to do as many of the Scenarios as possible on Very Hard difficulty, and once that's done I'll retire DiRT Rally 2.0 as my "main game" and play some non-racing titles.

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  • Day 29: Explored multiple classes in Custom at 100% Difficulty, found H1 FWD to be my most competitive. Started Masters Career at Spain in the MINI Cooper S. Won Event, Poland next.
  • Day 30: Won in Poland by a handy margin. The MINI felt real good there, perhaps Spain wasn't a fluke.
  • Day 31: Won at USA, another relatively easy win.
  • Day 32: Won at Australia.
  • Day 33: Won at Wales, was second for most of the rally but AI issues allowed me to take the lead. 27 points ahead going into final Event.
  • Day 34: 2nd at Monte Carlo, Championship win.

 

The thing I noticed in going back to H1 FWD was how much more confidence I had compared to when I first started. I was going "full send" through some of the faster sections (Poland especially) and making fewer mistakes. Some of the Career Leaderboard times were solid too; I recall finishing 15th on the global board in one of the Welsh ones.

 

That's the second of my 3 major goals now complete, Win a Career Rally Championship at Masters Difficulty.

Rallycross next.

 

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