BatteredSav93 15 Posted March 5 (edited) 40 minutes ago, tbtstt said: No worries! Bit more (useless) information for you is that Prodrive actually used "S" designations for the pre-Impreza Subaru programs, specifically: S1 - Group A Legacy S2 - Group N Legacy S3 - Group A Impreza Neither he, nor anyone else ex-Prodrive who has answered me, can explain why they skipped S4 (someone on the forum here pointed out there was an S4 SVX model, so maybe skipped to avoid confusion with the staff in Japan?). The information from Martyn does tie a lot of loose ends together though: I couldn't understand why the WRCar spares lists only ran from S5 to S14, but the parts catalogue show some parts prefixed with S3: S3 parts are Group A Impreza parts that were used on the WRCars. Well I know that Subaru designed their road cars to use alot of the same parts or at least the same mounting points in their cars so that newer parts could be put on older cars and vice versa. *If it's perfect, why change it?* just slap it on the new car. Mitsubishi proved that 'Group A' could still compete in WRC. Edited March 5 by BatteredSav93 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carpa 299 Posted March 5 On 3/3/2020 at 5:55 PM, PJTierney said: I don't know regarding that one. Is that a drone chasing the Focus in the top left? JEN'S BACK! 32 minutes ago, cafe5150 said: Don't talk to Toyota about restrictors, bit of a touchy subject there #1995cheat 🤔 To be fair to them, the restrictor actually WAS 34mm in diameter. It just happened to move about a bit while in the car... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NATOAddif 0 Posted March 5 On 1/30/2020 at 4:11 AM, Jack4688 said: Since 1997 the RSAC Scottish Rally has been solely based in Dumfries & Golloway, not Perth & Kinross, so it’s unlikely. But then again, Whaanga Coast road is in Waikato not Hawkes Bay so you never know! Apparently, there's an issue with the WRC game being the official WRC title. It's rather weird, but it would seem that even though Hawke's Bay is actually Whaanga Coast (near Raglan) to get around licensing, I would swear that I could take you to one of the woolsheds in Elsthorpe for real. Hopefully, two of the new NZ stages are The Auckland Domain and Range Road in Hawke's Bay, or perhaps the Glengarry Road on the Napier-Taupo Road. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianism 1,314 Posted March 5 6 hours ago, RookieOne said: You know, I was hesitating about calling him out, he did give me a dislike too 7 hours ago, tbtstt said: Why the disagree @elura11, did I get something wrong? this person is down voting people all over the place, likely due to frustration related to ffb - @tbtstt posted in a thread about it that is now closed. they don't write in english. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RookieOne 61 Posted March 5 12 hours ago, carpa said: To be fair to them, the restrictor actually WAS 34mm in diameter. It just happened to move about a bit while in the car... More seriously, that move from Toyota factory team look like it was born out of desperation. From what I read somewhere (need to find the source again), they were frustrated by the heavy weight of the Celica and the refusal of Toyota to make a 2.0L 4WD version of the smaller Corolla so that they could be able to compete on equal footing against Subaru and Mitsubishi. At least they got what they wish for following the ban and the introduction of the WRC class : Bringing the smaller lighter corolla in the fold to compete against the others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack4688 150 Posted March 5 10 hours ago, NATOAddif said: Apparently, there's an issue with the WRC game being the official WRC title. It's rather weird, but it would seem that even though Hawke's Bay is actually Whaanga Coast (near Raglan) to get around licensing, I would swear that I could take you to one of the woolsheds in Elsthorpe for real. Hopefully, two of the new NZ stages are The Auckland Domain and Range Road in Hawke's Bay, or perhaps the Glengarry Road on the Napier-Taupo Road. You’ve completely lost me. What does WRC have to do with Scotland? And what ‘new NZ stages’ are you on about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Dee 1,246 Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Jack4688 said: You’ve completely lost me. What does WRC have to do with Scotland? And what ‘new NZ stages’ are you on about? It all comes back to WRC having some form of licensing rights over the exact routes in specific locations. Some may be public roads, but due to copyright/trademark/etc law the WRC organization has been able to secure partials rights to certain stages and locals when run in a specific format resembling WRC. I won't even pretend to know the full scope of it, but suffice it to say licensing is a headache. While Codies could probably use the real names and exact 1:1 replicas of some stages without overstepping their legal rights, it doesn't mean it is worth doing it. WRC could easily contest certain things in court, and regardless of if Codies would win or lose, it isn't worth gambling the entire game over and potentially upsetting other licensing partners. So instead Codies takes the easy way out - put the stage in a "different" part of the country and give it a fake name. Make the stage extremely similar, but leave out certain features if needed to avoid overstepping licensing. Players get 95% of the same experience they would get if it was perfectly 1:1 like real life, so it's the best compromise. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack4688 150 Posted March 6 13 hours ago, Mike Dee said: It all comes back to WRC having some form of licensing rights over the exact routes in specific locations. Some may be public roads, but due to copyright/trademark/etc law the WRC organization has been able to secure partials rights to certain stages and locals when run in a specific format resembling WRC. I won't even pretend to know the full scope of it, but suffice it to say licensing is a headache. While Codies could probably use the real names and exact 1:1 replicas of some stages without overstepping their legal rights, it doesn't mean it is worth doing it. WRC could easily contest certain things in court, and regardless of if Codies would win or lose, it isn't worth gambling the entire game over and potentially upsetting other licensing partners. So instead Codies takes the easy way out - put the stage in a "different" part of the country and give it a fake name. Make the stage extremely similar, but leave out certain features if needed to avoid overstepping licensing. Players get 95% of the same experience they would get if it was perfectly 1:1 like real life, so it's the best compromise. Right understood, but what did that have to do with either Scotland (as per my original quoted post) or NZ (as per NATOaddiff’s post)? Remember when DR2.0 was launched last year there was no WRC-NZ connection Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JorritVD 1,222 Posted March 6 Sorry, I was busy the couple of days, so here some more countdown SUBARU WRC images TUESDAY - 21 1999 - Portugal - Dor 2000 - Catalunya - Dallavilla 2001 - Rally GB - Arai 2004 - Deutschland - Sarrazin 2008 - France - Ostberg 2008 - Rally GB - Boland 2009 - Norway - Boland 2009 - Sardinia - Ostberg WEDNESDAY - 20 1998 - San Remo - Dallavilla 1999 - Acropolis - Papadimitriou 2001 - Australia - Bourne 2007 - Deutschland - Pons 2007 - Catalunya - van Eldik 2009 - Norway - Grondal THURSDAY 19 1999 - Rally GB - Holowczyc 2000 - San Remo - Solberg 2004 - Finland - Ginley 2004 - Sardinia - Navarra 2004 - Catalunya - Boland 2005 - Sardinia - Sarrazin 2006 - Greece - Vovos 2007 - Ireland - Meeke 2008 - Sweden - Ostberg 2008 - Sardinia - Ostberg 2008 - Catalunya - Ostberg 2009 - Ireland - McNulty FRIDAY 18 1999 - Rally GB - Climent 2001 - Monte Carlo - Solberg 2001 - Sweden - Martin 2001 - Portugal - Martin 2001 - Catalunya - Martin 2001 - Finland - Martin 2001 - Australia - Arai 2001 - Rally GB - Martin 2004 - Catalunya - Sarrazin 2006 - Monte Carlo - Atkinson 2007 - Ireland - Wilks 2008 - Rally GB - Ostberg 2008 - Norway - Ostberg 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbtstt 2,380 Posted March 6 A rallycross Scoob just to mix it up a bit: 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PJTierney 4,752 Posted March 6 This, is Launch Control... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gfRally 423 Posted March 6 No, THIS is launch control 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Madhun1967 49 Posted March 6 wow ^ whose car is that ? Speaking of which I wonder how competitive it will be in the game ? I would love to be able to dial it in like Colin did, with locked rear diff for tarmac. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RookieOne 61 Posted March 6 That's Mcrae car before Subaru switched to the impreza 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Madhun1967 49 Posted March 6 yea I know what and whos car it was .I was wondering about this actual example though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbtstt 2,380 Posted March 6 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Madhun1967 said: yea I know what and whos car it was .I was wondering about this actual example though. Not certain, but I think it might be a replica @Madhun1967? You got any more information on it @gleylancer571? Edited March 6 by tbtstt 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleylancer571 444 Posted March 6 (edited) Yes i think too its a replica "Because the Japanese are celebrating their hundredth, they like to recall their history and have brought a very special legacy out of the dream car garage: the old company car from Colin McRae, world rally champion in 1995. More precisely, a replica of it" Look at this link https://www.welt.de/motor/fahrberichte-tests/article165607952/Dieser-alte-Legacy-fuehlt-sich-an-wie-ein-Porsche.html Edited March 6 by gleylancer571 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Madhun1967 49 Posted March 6 cool thanks ! cant wait for it in game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbtstt 2,380 Posted March 6 25 minutes ago, gleylancer571 said: Yes i think too its a replica "Because the Japanese are celebrating their hundredth, they like to recall their history and have brought a very special legacy out of the dream car garage: the old company car from Colin McRae, world rally champion in 1995. More precisely, a replica of it" Look at this link https://www.welt.de/motor/fahrberichte-tests/article165607952/Dieser-alte-Legacy-fuehlt-sich-an-wie-ein-Porsche.html Ah, yeah, looks like it! Looks pretty good, though the interior doesn't look quite right! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Madhun1967 49 Posted March 6 yeah it seems they tried to replicate what really was an anodized red dash panel set in the original .They should have looked for original looking wheels too , IMHO 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbtstt 2,380 Posted March 6 4 minutes ago, Madhun1967 said: yeah it seems they tried to replicate what really was an anodized red dash panel set in the original .They should have looked for original looking wheels too , IMHO That said, its a pretty good effort! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gfRally 423 Posted March 7 3 hours ago, tbtstt said: That said, its a pretty good effort! I would enjoy driving it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
