Colin McRae: FLAT OUT Pack

[Rogerbee 155]

Oooh, you tease!

[gleylancer571 446]

@PJTierney

 

So will Scotland only be driving offline?

[PJTierney 6,190]

13 minutes ago, gleylancer571 said:

@PJTierney

 

 

So will Scotland only be driving offline?

It'll be like any other location. Play it offline, online, in Clubs etc.

[ianism 1,317]

14 hours ago, PJTierney said:

Clubs are limited to 12 Events per Championship (as that's what the game is limited to).

what about car setups? correct me if I'm wrong, but currently for each car we can have up to 8 setups per surface type (ie, gravel/dirt, tarmac, snow, monte carlo). Scotland will send the number of gravel/dirt ones to 9, so as things stand we will not be able to have a ready-made setup for each location to load in easily once it's added to the roster.

[tbtstt 2,554]

15 hours ago, PJTierney said:

There may be more 😉 

Fingers crossed...

[PJTierney 6,190]

2 hours ago, ianism said:

what about car setups? correct me if I'm wrong, but currently for each car we can have up to 8 setups per surface type (ie, gravel/dirt, tarmac, snow, monte carlo). Scotland will send the number of gravel/dirt ones to 9, so as things stand we will not be able to have a ready-made setup for each location to load in easily once it's added to the roster.

I don't know regarding that one.

 

1 hour ago, tbtstt said:

Fingers crossed...

 

Is that a drone chasing the Focus in the top left?

 

[StockTunesOnly 1,331]

Hopefully we get a few extra liveries as well with these cars. Would love to see the Gold No Fear from the old XGames event from 06

[tbtstt 2,554]

1 hour ago, PJTierney said:

Is that a drone chasing the Focus in the top left?

They seemed to like chasing the Focus...

...I never did see the drone footage from the day: I'm curious to know how well it came out, as one of the drones managed to get run over by a 6R4! 🤦‍♂️
 

38 minutes ago, Mike Dee said:

No Group N Impreza to put that livery on though? 

[AyrtJ97 115]

1 hour ago, tbtstt said:

No Group N Impreza to put that livery on though? 

I've been thinking for some time now about making some of the Subaru Rally Team USA skins for that boat... I mean... R4 Impreza, so, it would be possible

[RodgerDavies 990]

Bit disappointed that the Evo VI and the '99 Impreza won't be in the same class and online there's no such thing as multiclass. Whoever came up with that class structure (240Z in same class as M3 being the biggest crime), please revise it going forward (if it's not possible to do it for DR2).

[ianism 1,317]

7 hours ago, RodgerDavies said:

Bit disappointed that the Evo VI and the '99 Impreza won't be in the same class and online there's no such thing as multiclass. Whoever came up with that class structure (240Z in same class as M3 being the biggest crime), please revise it going forward (if it's not possible to do it for DR2).

agreed on the Evo/Impreza, but the H1-3 classes are meant to be just classes of approximately equal vehicles, not necessarily cars from the same era. that's why they have those class names rather than Group 4 or whatever.

and anyways, the differences between the best and worst cars in each of these classes aren't as big as most people are claiming. a good driver will have much better times than an average one, no matter which vehicle they take in each class.

[UnderclassGDfan 533]

2 hours ago, ianism said:

and anyways, the differences between the best and worst cars in each of these classes aren't as big as most people are claiming. a good driver will have much better times than an average one, no matter which vehicle they take in each class.

Subjective.

In our DRC club are some people, who are quite on the same pace.
The leaderboards have also some huge gaps between the best car in the class and the worst.

But you can't balance the cars perfectly because they should be accurate.
Most classes are good balanced, as good as it can be.

But Group A and 2000cc not really, they should have been splitted.
It's not as bad, so it's not really a big deal for me, but an option to exclude cars in clubs would have been made things easier.

[RookieOne 61]

The problem is how the rules changes and how it affect cars :

First, in Group A, in 95 we gotten a turbo restrictor size reduction in 95...which is the year of the Escort RS we have in-game, so it handicapped the car by a lot compared to the 94 model with the bigger restrictor (seriously, the 94 model would had been competitive against the Delta integrale, but not the 95 one).

 

Also, what compound the problem is the impreza S5 and the lancer Evo V,VI and 6.5. The Evo was still marketed as Group A(while competing against WRC-Class), but not the Impreza S5 which seen as a World Rally Car instead of a Group A car. But according to the Homologation documents for BOTH cars on the FIA website, both cars were in WRC class (BTW, for the evo they used frame number, CP9A, so the Evo V, VI and 6.5 all counted for the same cars, with the differences being seen as ET or Evolution normal of the type). That said I will give one thing to it : the difference between the World Rally car and the Group A for the Lancer Evo at the time was a minor one : rear fenders (look like the rear fenders were widers on the WRC car)

Source for the Evo : https://historicdb.fia.com/sites/default/files/car_attachment/1486693502/homologation_form_number_5585_group_a.pdf

Check Page 31 for mention of the World Rally Car variant option, Page 97 for the ET (Evolution normal of Type) to Evo 6, Page 119 for the 6.5 ET

[UnderclassGDfan 533]

4 hours ago, RookieOne said:

The problem is how the rules changes and how it affect cars :

First, in Group A, in 95 we gotten a turbo restrictor size reduction in 95...which is the year of the Escort RS we have in-game, so it handicapped the car by a lot compared to the 94 model with the bigger restrictor (seriously, the 94 model would had been competitive against the Delta integrale, but not the 95 one).

I'm confused.
The game says we have the 1993 model of the Escort RS Cosworth.

And I thought the bigger the restrictor, less air flow, so less power. (I don't say I know it better, just thought it would be this way.)

 

4 hours ago, RookieOne said:

Also, what compound the problem is the impreza S5 and the lancer Evo V,VI and 6.5. The Evo was still marketed as Group A(while competing against WRC-Class), but not the Impreza S5 which seen as a World Rally Car instead of a Group A car.

Do you mean the Impreza S4 we get with the new DLC?
Again, confused. Is it the S4 or S5?

 

But yeah, the Escort RS Cosworth is definitely the weakest car in Group A, but still fun to drive.
Did a monthly community challenge with it and was quite good, but minutes away at the end from the Deltas.

[tbtstt 2,554]

4 minutes ago, UnderclassGDfan said:

I'm confused.
The game says we have the 1993 model of the Escort RS Cosworth.

And I thought the bigger the restrictor, less air flow, so less power. (I don't say I know it better, just thought it would be this way.)

Yeah, the wording about restrictors can be a bit confusing: the early Group A cars had a 38mm restrictor (i.e. a 38mm hole) on the inlet of the turbo, this shrunk to 34mm in later years. 

As the hole got smaller, the engine developed less power. 

5 minutes ago, UnderclassGDfan said:

Do you mean the Impreza S4 we get with the new DLC?

Again, confused. Is it the S4 or S5?

Codemasters are calling it the S4, it is actually an S5 (there was no such thing as an S4). 

[richieI 603]

This is how a restrictor looks like. Making it smaller means reducing its diameter which results is less air flow, less air means less power. 

 

[RookieOne 61]

15 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Yeah, the wording about restrictors can be a bit confusing: the early Group A cars had a 38mm restrictor (i.e. a 38mm hole) on the inlet of the turbo, this shrunk to 34mm in later years. 

As the hole got smaller, the engine developed less power. 

Codemasters are calling it the S4, it is actually an S5 (there was no such thing as an S4). 

To add over this : for the restrictor, the size reduction also means that the powerband moved to a lower RPM, augmenting torque at lower rpm, but reducing horsepower at high rpm. The 7-speed transmission that the Escort was using in Group A was just not well-suited for that, as it's gearing was much more suited to an engine producing high power at high rpm.

Concerning the year, the escort was homologated as Group A from 93 to 96 (although it was built starting from the 92 YM by ford, it was only homologated in 93), but according to the performance of the car, which is probably the worst of all Group A cars in-game, it look like it's the 1995 version of the car, with the smaller restrictor mandated for that year, which was much less competetive than the others (hell, even the Celica ST205 without the cheat was more competitive....which is something when you know that the reason why TTE cheated was because the Celica was probably the heaviest car in Group A at the time) 

Compare the car to the 1994 version, where Delecour nearly won the 94 championship, and was much more competitive, but that said, he was and still is in his old age a crazy-ass driver.

[tbtstt 2,554]

Why the disagree @elura11, did I get something wrong? 

[BatteredSav93 15]

2 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Codemasters are calling it the S4, it is actually an S5 (there was no such thing as an S4). 

Commonly accepted that the S4 was the 97-98 model, and S5 is the 98-99 model. Only major difference between the two is that towards the back end of the S5's lifetime it got the electronic sequential gearbox.

Edited March 4, 2020 by BatteredSav93

[RookieOne 61]

53 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Why the disagree @elura11, did I get something wrong? 

You know, I was hesitating about calling him out, he did give me a dislike too

[tbtstt 2,554]

1 hour ago, BatteredSav93 said:

Commonly accepted that the S4 was the 97-98 model, and S5 is the 98-99 model. Only major difference between the two is that towards the back end of the S5's lifetime it got the electronic sequential gearbox.

This was what I believed until a few weeks ago @BatteredSav93. I managed to speak with Martyn Spurrel (ex-Prodrive engineer, Autosportif co-founder and Impreza WRCar owner) who confirmed that there was never an S4: Prodrive referred to the WRC97, WRC98 and WRC99 as S5.

We got the first physical evidence last week care of a post @F2CMaDMaXX spotted on Twitter: in order to resolve a debate on the same subject, a picture of a WRC97 component was posted: it showed the part number to be prefixed S5.

Incidentally, the semi-auto box was only trialled on the WRC98 late in the season (Vatanen ran with it in Wales). 

Edited March 4, 2020 by tbtstt

[tbtstt 2,554]

1 hour ago, RookieOne said:

You know, I was hesitating about calling him out, he did give me a dislike too

If I/we are saying something incorrect then I'd rather be told what it is then get random dislikes: I might learn something new that way! 

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3 hours ago, richie said:

This is how a restrictor looks like. Making it smaller means reducing its diameter which results is less air flow, less air means less power. 

 

Don't talk to Toyota about restrictors, bit of a touchy subject there #1995cheat 🤔

[BatteredSav93 15]

20 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

This was what I believed until a few weeks ago @BatteredSav93. I managed to speak with Martyn Spurrel (ex-Prodrive engineer, Autosportif co-founder and Impreza WRCar owner) who confirmed that there was never an S4: Prodrive referred to the WRC97, WRC98 and WRC99 as S5.

We got the first physical evidence last week care of a post @F2CMaDMaXX spotted on Twitter: in order to resolve a debate on the same subject, a picture of a WRC97 component was posted: it showed the part number to be prefixed S5.

Incidentally, the semi-auto box was only trialled on the WRC98 late in the season (Vatanen ran with it in Wales). 

Touche. Thanks for the info. Nevertheless, I believe the (incorrectly named) S4 will be referring to the manual H-pattern '97 Impreza. 

[tbtstt 2,554]

23 minutes ago, BatteredSav93 said:

Touche. Thanks for the info. Nevertheless, I believe the (incorrectly named) S4 will be referring to the manual H-pattern '97 Impreza. 

No worries! Bit more (useless) information for you @BatteredSav93 is that Prodrive actually used "S" designations for the pre-Impreza Subaru programs, specifically: 

S1 - Group A Legacy 

S2 - Group N Legacy 

S3 - Group A Impreza 

Neither he, nor anyone else ex-Prodrive who has answered me, can explain why they skipped S4 (someone on the forum here pointed out there was an S4 SVX model, so maybe skipped to avoid confusion with the staff in Japan?). 

The information from Martyn does tie a lot of loose ends together though: I couldn't understand why the WRCar spares lists only ran from S5 to S14, but the parts breakdown for individual cars show some parts prefixed with S3: S3 parts are Group A Impreza parts that were used on the WRCars. 

Edited March 5, 2020 by tbtstt