Official Cheats In Online Events

[VainqueurGrid 0]

Three days ago I obtained 18-th place in daily event in Greece. I was alittle surprized with this high  result as with, on the other hand, winners' times, which seemes to be unnatural, too. Next day in England after 2 hours training I simply  not reached finish at least one time, and in online start in darkness flied out soon. 

For the ends of all yestarday I began to work out long descend special in Monaco. Playing in custom event as usual at "elite" level, I very soon found I lose 3-5 seconds to this besttime at each checkpoint and cannot do anything with it. So, I simply made official run with my velocity and finished at 533 position with minute lag.

All that I made with disabled physical driving aids. Such great fail looked for me  slightly queerly , but playing just the same location in WRC game, where I was one of the world class pilotes, I've also mentioned the fact that here my results were a few worse than in most of other places, and suspected it predermined by the driving aids turning off.

There I never tried to turn it on, but now I decided to do it. I believed, that there is only on-off option, and as "on" really have set level 1 (from 5) to all three mentioned physical assistants So,already at first checkpoint I beated "elite" time and improved my average time to 3.5 seconds! Easy to imagine, what possibilities opens with 10 -11 checkpoints after adaptation.

So, WHAT A HELL? What we see and what we do there?  In one results list we see participants using absolutly different vehicles. May to say more: we see players from differentr worlds. For what such competitions needed, if  who wishes can use that evident cheats? You will say that I must do the same? But I dont want to become accustomed with it , and sometimes these ugly "improvements" simply harmful.

For example, just after that 18th place obtaining I thied to pass in second level career championship with Ford Escort first stage just in Monte-Carlo. And I found I cannot win, although first rally of this champ (Greece)  I won with of order of 30 sec advantage without efforts. May be, as a reaction to such overwhelming advantage AI turned up oppoinents' level, but anyway.... so, even after two days, when I found what driving assists level 1 do for Group B car, I decided to try here with it, too. And found no preference! Then I made aids level 5. First of all, I was nearly of barf... its really abominably. But, second, I began to lose even more. Because when I try to keep speed at smooth virages with wheel work, I feel that somewhat invisible hand hardly returnes to center: somewhat similar was at level 1, too, but now it showed itself  totally....

So, may be somebody became accustomed to it playing Dirt prev. parts and can obtain profit even in such cases, but for me, and not only for me, of course, all this is unacceptable. I want to play without hell assistants. Generally it would be better, if  this scale being prolonged to negative values, and present day zero position turned itself  to driving aids level 5, and -5 value turned to zero, but its the separate talk. 

So, for to provide possibility to play in collective game without assists, rules must be changed radically. May be, separate results table for those who use physical aids and who does not use (with prize profit for second group) can help alittle.  But it does not solve the problem. I think, radical solution is so: driving assistants must help to low experienced players to keep car on thack, avoid crash and fly out, but they must lead to noticeable reducing of speed. I believe, it would be quite natural. Game must be based on clean (non-assists) results,and testings must be made for calculating average profit provided with present day aids to time results, and speed cut off must be also produced. . 

 I dont know, may be, there are other solutions but anyway present rules are absolutly inadmissible. They make participation in colllective game simply nonsensical and idiotic. If developers will release final version with discribed hell feature, it will be real shame for them.

[bogani 609]

Woot?  :o

[FlakHound 0]

I uhh.. Have no idea what you said really. I assume that you raced 30sec+ faster with assists? Maybe you should just drive with assists on?

[Azoresst 6]

I started to play with assists and trained only in one stage. After finishing it for a couple times I turned off the assists and got 40 seconds less on my second attempt without it.

[mesa 452]

I don't know how it is going by MP, but in generally something is wrong in this game, With assist you can be quicker than without.
(Check peoples record made with keyboard and full assist, you cannot reach that with Assist off, even with H-shifter and clutch)
Too much assist prevents you to use your skills.

I think CM should re-thinking their policy about assists, may Events should require to not use any Assists, admins should set to prevent people use them if the admins doesn't allow them all.

[dgeesi0 237]

if people have the options in-game to use the SAME settings. then its all fair.if YOU choose not to use those settings then that was YOUR choice. labeling a in-game setting as a CHEAT is stupid. its just a CHOICE which is different from YOURS!

trying not to be a dick but.. i use default settings and tbh plays very nice.i don't want just any old person to destroy what handles great already in the game trying to be a elitist. 

biggest problem is many people haven't really played much yet unless you hardcore gamer as the game hasn't been out that long.

with practice you can get very fast times.

one thing i would say is i agree proper cheats should be looked at i have seen a couple of videos online of some cheats.also editing configs for events shouldn't be allowed.the worst thing in previous dirts that ruined times was track cutting jumping shortcuts.small corner cutting is normal like small bend at speed but not like 3 secs or big chops.

previously you would see like a 3 min track be done in like 30 secs which is not possible. hopefully stuff like that is kept on top and monitored. i believe by doing so and keeping the times as legit as possible will add alot to the time at what this game will remain a top title and competitive.

[MastaVonBlasta 1]

I've not tried driving with the assists myself, but if it really is the case that one can be faster with assists on, then I'd be unhappy...

[PaulBlythe 0]

Surely CM are able to validate what assists are being used during the on-line stages. It would make sense to rank timing's based on pre-determined skill levels. Pro level would equal "all assists off" etc...

I haven't tried playing DR with assists on, but if using them is generating quicker times, it seams to defeat the objective of developing the game as a sim. ATM, without any recognition for not using assists, I feel the on-line stage timings are pretty pointless.

[FlakHound 0]

40 seconds is still an insane amount of time to be just from assists. I'm curious as to if they're helping so much because now you aren't crashing/recovering. It would be silly to compare two different runs where in the no assist one you flew off the track pretty bad.

[DonOctavio 0]

I finished 2nd on the daily event yesterday with no assits (21% reward).

Still it would be good to see what kind of assists/input method people are using in the leaderboard.

[NWRCharger 0]

Maybe your just bad without assists?

[justbiglee 0]

Did you have an off or a reset on either run? Each time you have to reset to track that's 15 seconds added so that may explain it. 

We are also policing our leaderboards too and we're yet to see any dodgy times. 

We'll look into it and see what data we have but we're pretty confident that it's just down to driver skill. As @DonOctavio pointed out, he finished 2nd with no assists.

[Evilsmurf 68]

For what it's worth, I did a quick test.

My set up is a obutto ozone with a G27 and Dell 29" ultra wide monitor.

I use manual sequential gears, all assists off, with launch control.

I normally place in the top 60 anyware upto the top 20 in the daily events.

I did two test runs in the Subaru 95 with three of the four upgrades applied on Dyffryn Afon reverse with the following assist ON.

ABS

Traction Control

Stability Control

With the assists on I did a 3:42.6 and then followed by a 3:36.5

I then did two runs with assists OFF

I managed a 3:31.341 followed by a 3:30.158 (on this run I also made a mistake that cost around a second)

So, for me it seems I'm faster with assists off but I also suspect that's because I always play with assists off. I would also say that if you play with assists on all the time, you will be just as fast as anyone else.

Now the argument is, should assisted and non assisted players be in the same daily, weekly and monthly events? I would say yes! we all bought the game and all have as much right as each other to play it how we want to in the provided official events.

What I would like to see implemented is the ability to switch the assists on/off for custom leagues. 

[VainqueurGrid 0]

justbiglee said:

Did you have an off or a reset on either run? Each time you have to reset to track that's 15 seconds added so that may explain it. 

We are also policing our leaderboards too and we're yet to see any dodgy times. 

We'll look into it and see what data we have but we're pretty confident that it's just down to driver skill. As @DonOctavio pointed out, he finished 2nd with no assists.

Strange question. I havent fly outs in official runs - in this case I simply close it. Of course, I made 18th place without assist with no penalty, and 533 place also. But I tell about training runs, where turning assusts ON even with 1 level evidently gives 40 SECONDS ADVANTAGE.  And I also wrote, that for some cars and conditions assists does not help, and my quite good 18th place confirm it. But anyway the possibily itself  of  obtaining 40 sec advantage even in some competitions by using somewhat assists make collective game nonsensible. Its absolutly clear, its a great problem developers has to solve. But also in solo game for each track besttimes must be established without assistance. Present day its not so.

[FlakHound 0]

Evilsmurf said:

For what it's worth, I did a quick test.

My set up is a obutto ozone with a G27 and Dell 29" ultra wide monitor.

I use manual sequential gears, all assists off, with launch control.

I normally place in the top 60 anyware upto the top 20 in the daily events.

I did two test runs in the Subaru 95 with three of the four upgrades applied on Dyffryn Afon reverse with the following assist ON.

ABS

Traction Control

Stability Control

With the assists on I did a 3:42.6 and then followed by a 3:36.5

I then did two runs with assists OFF

I managed a 3:31.341 followed by a 3:30.158 (on this run I also made a mistake that cost around a second)

So, for me it seems I'm faster with assists off but I also suspect that's because I always play with assists off. I would also say that if you play with assists on all the time, you will be just as fast as anyone else.

Now the argument is, should assisted and non assisted players be in the same daily, weekly and monthly events? I would say yes! we all bought the game and all have as much right as each other to play it how we want to in the provided official events.

What I would like to see implemented is the ability to switch the assists on/off for custom leagues. 

This is all pretty interesting (I'm jealous of that setup, by the way) and sheds some slight on the situation. I'm inclined to agree that we should keep everyone together for online challenges. But maybe put little icons next to users names for what assist they're using? As in ABS3 TCS3 or however it should be laid out.

[VainqueurGrid 0]

Evilsmurf said:

For what it's worth, I did a quick test.

My set up is a obutto ozone with a G27 and Dell 29" ultra wide monitor.

I use manual sequential gears, all assists off, with launch control.

I normally place in the top 60 anyware upto the top 20 in the daily events.

I did two test runs in the Subaru 95 with three of the four upgrades applied on Dyffryn Afon reverse with the following assist ON.

ABS

Traction Control

Stability Control

With the assists on I did a 3:42.6 and then followed by a 3:36.5

I then did two runs with assists OFF

I managed a 3:31.341 followed by a 3:30.158 (on this run I also made a mistake that cost around a second)

So, for me it seems I'm faster with assists off but I also suspect that's because I always play with assists off. I would also say that if you play with assists on all the time, you will be just as fast as anyone else.

Now the argument is, should assisted and non assisted players be in the same daily, weekly and monthly events? I would say yes! we all bought the game and all have as much right as each other to play it how we want to in the provided official events.

What I would like to see implemented is the ability to switch the assists on/off for custom leagues. 

You made test for one car in one track.  But it does not prove anything. I just mentioned, that assists helps first of all in Monaco for Group B. For Greece, I also said, I fighted good without assists. With 1970th  car I've also made no profit with aids  even in Monte-Carlo and rather vice versa, but it can also deal with tre fact my skills formed in no-assists playing. 
I agree all may to compete in same session, but for honest struggle speed for those who use assists must be reduced for eleminating possible 40 sec advantage they can make. But, in the same time, nothing bad will be in the case of separate sessions will appear. In many racing games we meet separate damage - non-damage, collisions - non-collisions sessions. Here such problems ot actual, but there are others, which can be solved in the same way.

[VainqueurGrid 0]

NWRCharger said:

Maybe your just bad without assists?

Dude, I wrote I made world 18th place without assist. Try to make the same and then tell I'm bad. I plays more than 10 years without assists, have world records and thousands of online wins.

[FlakHound 0]

VainqueurGrid said:

NWRCharger said:

Maybe your just bad without assists?

Dude, I wrote I made world 18th place without assist. Try to make the same and then tell I'm bad. I plays more than 10 years without assists, have world records and thousands of online wins.

You also did one test with one car on one track from what I can tell (hard to read your original post). It likely showed you had the 18th best time when not a lot of people had attempted the challenge yet, and probably got bumped down quite a bit after that. 40 seconds is a ton of time for the only difference to be assists. Like everyone has mentioned, did you go off track, or reset at all during your "slower" run? Not sure I believe that assists are giving 40 second advantages, and not everyone is using them.

[dgeesi0 237]

out of curiosity i went on sweet lamb earlier with my pug to break pb. i thought id try out with assists on and off. no word of a lie im a lot slower wit assists on. in fact with assists all on i found it very slow in comparison. 

[VainqueurGrid 0]

FlakHound said:

VainqueurGrid said:

NWRCharger said:

Maybe your just bad without assists?

Dude, I wrote I made world 18th place without assist. Try to make the same and then tell I'm bad. I plays more than 10 years without assists, have world records and thousands of online wins.

You also did one test with one car on one track from what I can tell (hard to read your original post). It likely showed you had the 18th best time when not a lot of people had attempted the challenge yet, and probably got bumped down quite a bit after that. 40 seconds is a ton of time for the only difference to be assists. Like everyone has mentioned, did you go off track, or reset at all during your "slower" run? Not sure I believe that assists are giving 40 second advantages, and not everyone is using them.

I was 18th from 3037 participants, of order of 4 hours to end, and in night nobody probably brought me out of top 20.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ROJF6VbS6c
I'm Ivanushka-Grid. 
And I became 533 just in the same daytime in Monte-Carlo.
So, I also made one try, but its quite enough for establish the fact that assists CAN destroy the game. I tried it not in official run, but in training regime, and I tell you again, that in Monaco track with group B Audi asissts of level 1 gives advantage of 3-4 seconds FOR EACH CHECKPOINT. It explain for me some results in online events list, which previously seemed to be unreal. I'm quite experienced player, I tried to improve my results at mentioned track for many times, but achieved very few. And with assists all changed in a moment: just from 1 attempt I won 3-4 secs for each checkpoint in comparison with my prev. results. All these facts evidently draw the problem.

[Skunkmeister 0]

I have never experienced this, I would be interested to see if the assists actually do any trickery like stability control or they just limit your inputs. If they're just limiting inputs then it's all up to driver skill.

[DonOctavio 0]

I don´t know about "proper" asssits, but the h-shifter + clutch alone is a benefit, you can change gears a lot faster (and miss gears too... :D )

[FlakHound 0]

VainqueurGrid said:

FlakHound said:

VainqueurGrid said:

NWRCharger said:

Maybe your just bad without assists?

Dude, I wrote I made world 18th place without assist. Try to make the same and then tell I'm bad. I plays more than 10 years without assists, have world records and thousands of online wins.

You also did one test with one car on one track from what I can tell (hard to read your original post). It likely showed you had the 18th best time when not a lot of people had attempted the challenge yet, and probably got bumped down quite a bit after that. 40 seconds is a ton of time for the only difference to be assists. Like everyone has mentioned, did you go off track, or reset at all during your "slower" run? Not sure I believe that assists are giving 40 second advantages, and not everyone is using them.

I was 18th from 3037 participants, of order of 4 hours to end, and in night nobody probably brought me out of top 20.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ROJF6VbS6c
I'm Ivanushka-Grid. 
And I became 533 just in the same daytime in Monte-Carlo.
So, I also made one try, but its quite enough for establish the fact that assists CAN destroy the game. I tried it not in official run, but in training regime, and I tell you again, that in Monaco track with group B Audi asissts of level 1 gives advantage of 3-4 seconds FOR EACH CHECKPOINT. It explain for me some results in online events list, which previously seemed to be unreal. I'm quite experienced player, I tried to improve my results at mentioned track for many times, but achieved very few. And with assists all changed in a moment: just from 1 attempt I won 3-4 secs for each checkpoint in comparison with my prev. results. All these facts evidently draw the problem.

Everyone else that's been trying this seems not not have any real difference, if any its usually worse. Maybe make videos of your driving both with and without assists and play them side by side to see what difference you're getting. You're the only one saying they're getting 40 second gains by using assist, which keeps leading me to believe it's your driving not the game, or at least your driving in the game.

[VainqueurGrid 0]

You're right, may be, somewhat wrong was there, but now its difficult to check... additionul studies needed, as it said...

[mesa 452]

I want to race against people, not robots.
I wish to compare my skill against other people's skill, not to the skill level of assists.

I understand that everybody pay for this the same amount, and they wish to see their names on the charts and i can live with this.
But, please try to understand that this game gives more advantages by its bult-in assists, especially on loose surface even on ice. A pure simulator should bever do that! What is the goal? To make another arcade game or to go to hall of fame of racing games history by making an acceptable rally sim? 

In Assetto Corsa onliney servers database contains the results and what kind of assist used to achive that result. Users can filter the results, and of course they always can see which assists used with nice monochrome or cloured icons used for visuals.
This couldn't be a hard job, please CM do something similar!
Thanks