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I am afraid we are not getting a final update for Sweden. My biggest concern are the snow banks, it's a pitty they don't work as they did in DR1. Sweden was one of my favourite rallies back then, now it is a boring rally with "white" hard gravel. At least, I hope they fix the 'no snow in the car' bug.

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What exactly is your issue with Sweden? 

I'm trying to remember what was different was that the edges of the track made it not fun in DR1 because it would always spin you if you so much as looked at it lol.

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the way they work in DR2.0 is much more realistic.

they're fine. no update needed.

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On 3/30/2020 at 6:14 AM, Underkex said:

I am afraid we are not getting a final update for Sweden. My biggest concern are the snow mounds, it's a pitty they don't work as they did in DR1. Sweden was one of my favourite rallies back then, now it is a boring rally with "white" hard gravel. At least, I hope they fix the 'no snow in the car' bug.

what do you mean the snowbanks don't work as they did in DR1? in DR1 they didn't work at all. it was like concrete.

in Dirt 4 and DR2 they work pretty damn well: it's realistic enough and not ultra punishing.

as for the grip, the amount of grip you get in Sweden is also more accurate to what you would get in reality than DR1. it's not perfect, but it's solid. (I've even seen people say it's not grippy enough. not sure I agree on that...)

the issue I have with Sweden is that on Hamra/Lysvik (and the sprint stages that are part of those two) dirt sticks to the car instead of snow and it looks super weird. I've posted about this a lot on the forum since Sweden came out a year ago and they've done nothing about it 😞

as you can see in the shots below. this is at the end of a stage:

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1 hour ago, ianism said:

I've even seen people say it's not grippy enough. not sure I agree on that...

I still refuse to drive swedish stages because of that. :classic_laugh:

It just annoys me too much when driving rwd cars on swedish stages as those cars dont have any lateral traction. It's even worse than tarmac physics.

I have seen/felt/expierenced what kind of grip rwd cars have on icy&snowy roads (in mk2 escort which was actual rally car & ice track race Volvo) and I expected something similiar, but instead I got 12-stages full of disappointment.

Even my Ford Taunus with regular studded winter tires has more grip than any of those rwd cars I have used in game. 😂

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On 3/30/2020 at 11:14 AM, Underkex said:

I am afraid we are not getting a final update for Sweden.

You would be right.

 

None is planned to my knowledge and you're the only person I've seen that has pointed out something like what you described in your opening post.

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55 minutes ago, PJTierney said:

You would be right.

 

None is planned to my knowledge and you're the only person I've seen that has pointed out something like what you described in your opening post.

I have seen a guy complain it on the steam forum aswell. He thought it should be like hitting stones.

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9 hours ago, Murikka said:

I still refuse to drive swedish stages because of that. :classic_laugh:

That's strange. I didn't know how good snow tires are so I was afraid of it. But the grip is so high and it's very good. Can't imagine higher grip.

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On 4/3/2020 at 2:17 AM, ianism said:

what do you mean the snowbanks don't work as they did in DR1? in DR1 they didn't work at all. it was like concrete.

in Dirt 4 and DR2 they work pretty damn well: it's realistic enough and not ultra punishing.

as for the grip, the amount of grip you get in Sweden is also more accurate to what you would get in reality than DR1. it's not perfect, but it's solid. (I've even seen people say it's not grippy enough. not sure I agree on that...)

the issue I have with Sweden is that on Hamra/Lysvik (and the sprint stages that are part of those two) dirt sticks to the car instead of snow and it looks super weird. I've posted about this a lot on the forum since Sweden came out a year ago and they've done nothing about it 😞

as you can see in the shots below. this is at the end of a stage:

 

The snowbanks were much better in the first DR, if you touch them you will lose speed. If you hit them, they will swallow you. Now they are very hard, they are like stone walls. I prefer how they worked in DR1. I am fine with the grip. It's a pitty they don't correct the snow in the car at least.

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12 minutes ago, Underkex said:

The snowbanks were much better in the first DR, if you touch them you will lose speed. If you hit them, they will swallow you. Now they are very hard, they are like wall of stone. I prefer how they worked in DR1. I am fine with the grip. It's a pitty they don't correct the snow in the car at least.

You may prefer it, but that doesnt mean its realistic.

 

 

 

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On 4/3/2020 at 3:34 PM, Ialyrn said:

You may prefer it, but that doesnt mean its realistic.

 

Maybe you are right, perhaps it depends on the type of snow. However, they should fix the bug with the snow on the car in one of the sweden stages.

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So I love Sweden and for me one of the easiest rallies in the game

 

 

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7 hours ago, Underkex said:

The snowbanks were much better in the first DR, if you touch them you will lose speed. If you hit them, they will swallow you. Now they are very hard, they are like walls of stone. I prefer how they worked in DR1. I am fine with the grip. It's a pitty they don't correct the snow in the car at least.

walls of stone? lmao are you sure you haven't confused which game is which? 

as for whether it's realistic, well, it depends on the snow. for example if it rained and then got cold, that would produce snowbanks like concrete, even if it snowed afterwards. if it just snowed a lot and the temperature stayed below -3 degrees, they would be a lot softer.

3 hours ago, gleylancer571 said:

So I love Sweden and for me one of the easiest rallies in the game

same!

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In DR2, the snow banks are really just like opaque air and have no physical influence at all. And if you dive too deep, you immediately feel the wall of stone. If the effect in DR1 was too strong, you could have reduced it. But is it realistic to turn it off completely, because Monaco has become more demanding and characteristic, and the water points have become more noticeable. The difference between wet and dry has become bigger. Why then is Sweden being castrated?

I like variety. And I don't like arguments that always just result from "easier is better".

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In this game, snowbanks are a joke.

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There are soooo many factors in how a car leaning on a snowbank will end up.

The DR1 snow banks felt softer and would more easily suck you in while the banks in D4/DR2 feels much more rigid. Something in between would probably have been good. 

Grip wise i would like a bit more lateral bite but I would also want less longitudal grip. It's a very special feeling using these studded tires on snow and ice. The lateral grip can under the right circumstances be better than general gravel, but not longitudal. Also depends on what the surface is, thin snow base without ice or a more icy base. Lots of factors as well. 

My biggest issue with Sweden though is the way too bumpy roads that kills all the flow these stages have IRL. 

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20 hours ago, bogani said:

There are soooo many factors in how a car leaning on a snowbank will end up.

The DR1 snow banks felt softer and would more easily suck you in while the banks in D4/DR2 feels much more rigid. Something in between would probably have been good. 

Grip wise i would like a bit more lateral bite but I would also want less longitudal grip. It's a very special feeling using these studded tires on snow and ice. The lateral grip can under the right circumstances be better than general gravel, but not longitudal. Also depends on what the surface is, thin snow base without ice or a more icy base. Lots of factors as well. 

My biggest issue with Sweden though is the way too bumpy roads that kills all the flow these stages have IRL. 

I agree.

21 hours ago, PaulNbg said:

In DR2, the snow banks are really just like opaque air and have no physical influence at all. And if you dive too deep, you immediately feel the wall of stone. If the effect in DR1 was too strong, you could have reduced it. But is it realistic to turn it off completely, because Monaco has become more demanding and characteristic, and the water points have become more noticeable. The difference between wet and dry has become bigger. Why then is Sweden being castrated?

I like variety. And I don't like arguments that always just result from "easier is better".

I TOTALLY agree.

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On 4/3/2020 at 11:34 AM, PJTierney said:

You would be right.

 

None is planned to my knowledge and you're the only person I've seen that has pointed out something like what you described in your opening post.

I feel relieved not being the only one. 😜

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