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If there’s a DiRT Rally 3, what new cars do we want to see?

What Classes did you enjoy driving in DiRT Rally 2.0?  

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  1. 1. Favourite Rally Classes to drive?

    • H1 (FWD)
      8
    • H2 (FWD)
      9
    • H2 (RWD)
      23
    • H3 (RWD)
      21
    • Group B (RWD)
      18
    • Group B (4WD)
      20
    • Group A
      31
    • Up to 2000cc (4WD)
      38
    • F2 Kit Car
      17
    • R2
      12
    • NR4 / R4
      13
    • R5
      31
    • Rally GT
      13
  2. 2. Favourite Rallycross Classes to Drive?

    • Super 1600
      15
    • Crosskarts
      3
    • Group B Rallycross
      19
    • RX2
      9
    • World RX Supercars (2018)
      26
    • World RX Supercars (2019)
      34


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7 hours ago, elrojodp8 said:

current wrc cars like you did in DR1

Per the first post, that's not gonna happen.  And they didn't have current WRC cars in DR either, they were old specs and mismatched.  I understand things tightened up after that so you won't get them at all.

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Un dirt 5 antes q wrc9 

Con s1600, s2000, kit car, grupoA, wrc etc

Y por ejemplo rally de corcega, Suecia, Portugal, safari, Japón, México et... Sería la bomba para septiembre jejeje😜

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17 hours ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Per the first post, that's not gonna happen.  And they didn't have current WRC cars in DR either, they were old specs and mismatched.  I understand things tightened up after that so you won't get them at all. 

have things really gotten worse?
After all, we have the R2 and R5 cars
both WRC cars and some even current

So I think we can be very satisfied with the choice of vehicles and some vehicle classes have been added very useful : Group B RWD,H2 FWD,F2 Kitcar

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2 hours ago, gleylancer571 said:

have things really gotten worse?
After all, we have the R2 and R5 cars
both WRC cars and some even current

So I think we can be very satisfied with the choice of vehicles and some vehicle classes have been added very useful : Group B RWD,H2 FWD,F2 Kitcar

I was referring to the request for current WRC cars, not WRC2 and Junior WRC, and worse for them specifically.

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56 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

I was referring to the request for current WRC cars, not WRC2 and Junior WRC, and worse for them specifically. 

I have seen that, but the statement remains: "I understand that things have gotten worse after that, so you won't get them at all."

ColinMcRae/Dirt/Dirt Rally is well known for not having any current WRC cars........who wants that should buy the WRC games.
With R2 and R5 it has improved and not worsene

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Hello everyone! Time for another Riggs long post 😄 

First of all, i'd like to talk a little bit about the current Car Class organization that DiRT Rally has been using. The current car class is being organized by Group, which itself is following the right rules, but it's not entirely realistic when it comes to play the game. I believe the current car grouping method should be changed for DR3, to allow for a better balancing among classes, specially the older classes, because we are seeing the impossibility of mixing some cars that raced together, just because it's on another group. The blatant example is the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI, that feels completely out of context, despite being in the right Group of cars, since it is a Group A. Context-wise, the Evo VI is a lot more a 2000cc rally car than a Group A in DR2.0, because despite being a Group A vehicle (the last Group A vehicle to live), it was racing with the new-gen WRC cars, such as the Impreza S4, Ford Focus, even the Impreza 2001 during half of that season, the 206, the Corolla and the Xsara, not to mention Skoda, SEAT and Hyundai. And to be honest, we could re-arrange this grouping method in a way that would rather benefit more than prejudice, as the game would not only appear to have more cars, as well as classes would make a lot more sense and be more balanced. 

For example, the Lancia Delta crushes the Group A, it has last raced in '93, and it is competing with cars from 1995+, completely obliterating them unrealisticly. I'm not sure if the Lancia overpower is actually realistic, as real reports show the Lancia Delta Integrale having difficulties to keep up with the upcoming cars like the Celica, the Lancer Evo III (let alone Evo VI) and the Impreza, despite having 80 more bhp. So i think the current Lancia performance stats is unrealistic for Group A, and basically renders the other cars in the group useless.

One of the groups I would love to see would be a 1998-2002 group, in which all of these cars lived and raced together throughout these years, and then we could finally have the Lancer Evo VI race with their colleagues, which in my opinion is one of the biggest setbacks in DR2, as we can't even get over this limitation with Clubs not allowing class or car mixing. Why end it in 2002? Because during the after 2002, cars began upgrading to their next successor, some manufacturers left and WRC began a slow downfall, and also some regulations and suspension technology were put in practice.

That's where the 2003-2006 class is born, in which we already have the Skoda Fabia 2005. This also means some cars may appear in more than one class (Red 206 and Xsara for example).

 

Anyway, assuming we do not lose any of the 'main cars' in the game, you can already predict what cars I want in-game, but here they come nonetheless :classic_biggrin:

Rather than ask for any car, I'm going to suggest cars that aim to fill a gap in the current DR2 car portfolio scenario.

 

Citroen Xsara WRC

Citroën Xsara WRC '2001–06 Papel de Parede HD | Plano de Fundo ...

This car would be available to pick in the 1998-2002 Class, as well as in a possible and eventual 2003-2006 class (to match with the Skoda 2005, the Solberg's Impreza 2003, etc). Wearing a full red Total livery (2001-2002), and then adding the Telefonica blue colors in 2003. While it would be ideal to have both liveries, we know Total is a present brand in current DR2, so it might be easier to just keep the Total one and the car looks great in it. I'd just love to see the car in the game to join the others.

 

My second pick goes to the Toyota Corolla WRC

Toyota Corolla WRC of Carlos Sainz at 1998 Rally Portugal | Flickr

I know, it's a Toyota. But it's about time 'we' try to settle the Toyota ghost. There seems to exist a little bit more flexibility towards Toyota letting their cars appear in games, so definitely a good moment to try, specially now that DR2 has proved to make a good reproduction of cars. This car is the missing piece between the Impreza S4 and the Lancer VI, a perfect addition for the 1998-2002 class. This ends my 1998-2002 suggestion list, as I consider the Xsara and the Corolla enough effort to get into the game as they are historic valuable cars in the WRC. I'd like to have the other 2000cc cars such as the SEAT Cordoba Evo 2, the Hyundai Accent Evo 2 and the bathtub Skoda Octavia Evo 2, as they have indeed participated in this golden era of rally. But I assume everyone would rather play with the more successful cars and leave these ones in the dust, like it has been happening with some of the cars in other classes. It is unclear whether or not these 3 cars were worse performers due to their lack of power, handling, or simply due to lack of pilot skill. It is important to balance all the cars and keep all the cars true to their spirit, otherwise we end up having a Lancia Integrale situation once again.

 

Group A Toyota Celica GT4

Toyota Celica GT-Four WRC on Tarmac (Speed & Pure Sound) HD - YouTube

In order to reinforce Group A and give the Lancia Delta a proper rival, this car needs to be in the game. So why this one and not the ST205? Because this one has covered more seasons than the ST205, mostly due to Toyota being banned in 1995 for the illegal turbo. This car also has more liveries to explore. Basically we would finally have a balanced and chronologically coeherent group with the Lancia Delta, the Toyota Celica and the current Ford Escort Cosworth in-game, not to mention the Legacy and the Impreza 555. This would round up the 1993-1995 very nicely, and if you managed to throw in an Evo III in the mix, even better.

 

Subaru Impreza S9 (2003)

Petter Solberg − Phil Mills − Subaru Impreza S9 WRC '03 − ADAC ...

Logical choice, specially now that there seems to be a lot of support and empathy from and for the Solberg family. Not only does this car look great, it drives great, everyone remembers it, but also our beloved Petter Solberg was champion it, co-drived by the DR2.0 co-driver Phil Mills. I seriously thought this car was going to make it into the game at some point, given the logic. But sometimes logic isn't everything. Perhaps DR3 is the best game for this car to appear. This was the only car capable to dethrone Sebastien Loeb's Xsara, and even then Citroen won the manufacturers that year. This car would make a lot of sense in the 2003-2006 group i suggested above, to compete with the Xsara, Red 206, Ford Focus (in case you guys have any means of adding another variation of it) and the Skoda Fabia 2005.

 

Peugeot 307 WRC

Peugeot 307 WRC

I know a lot of people don't like this car. Me being one of them. This is the car that sent Peugeot down the toilet, just like the Evo VII sent Mitsubishi down the toilet, not to mention this car is often remembered because of that unfortunate accident in 2005. However, despite all of the gearbox and power steering problems, this car was faster than the 206 (a lot), and it is a car that races against the Impreza S9+, the Fabia 2005 and the Xsara. Launched in 2004 after Peugeot saw their 206 not being able to keep up with the competition in 2003, this car would fill a gap in the 2003-2006 group. This is a logical car to fill a gap, but I wouldn't risk losing the ability to get one of the cars above just in order to get this one. Play with the budget.

 

And with that, you guessed it right: Mitsubishi Lancer WRC

Mitsubishi Lancer WRC

It's perhaps the Lancer I hate the most, not just because of not being able to give a proper competition to the other cars, but also because the designer didn't really know a worse place to put that rear wing. However, this car made its appearance after a sabatical year in 2004 with the 307, and it raced up until 2005. Given its historical importance, it makes sense to get added in case the 2003-2006 group is to be.

 

Last, but not least, we finally have the 2007-2010 class. We already have the cars of this class in the game, the Mk2 Focus and the C4. It would be awesome if we could see current in-game car variations such as the Evo V, Focus 1999, Focus 2003-2005, and the Escort WRC, but i'm almost sure the manufacturers will ask for a similar price like if it was a new car.

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1 hour ago, gleylancer571 said:

I have seen that, but the statement remains: "I understand that things have gotten worse after that, so you won't get them at all."

ColinMcRae/Dirt/Dirt Rally is well known for not having any current WRC cars........who wants that should buy the WRC games.
With R2 and R5 it has improved and not worsene

Again, what i specified as having gotten worse, is the ability to get the WRC cars, NOT the Junior or WRC2 cars.

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Which there has never been in a Codemasters Rally game. . . . . . . . . . . and already forget that another company has had the WRC license for years?
And I hope also the Codemasters does not care about this license as it is jezt I am very satisfied

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22 minutes ago, gleylancer571 said:
Which there has never been in a Codemasters Rally game. . . . . . . . . . . and already forget that another company has had the WRC license for years?
And I hope also the Codemasters does not care about this license as it is jezt I am very satisfied

Alright, you seem to be incredibly confused about who i was talking to, and to what statement i was referring.  I literally quoted someones comment with my answer.  What you keep saying has nothing to do with what i'm saying.

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48 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Alright, you seem to be incredibly confused about who i was talking to, and to what statement i was referring.  I literally quoted someones comment with my answer.  What you keep saying has nothing to do with what i'm saying. 

Does Codemasters have the license ?
No, so there won't be any licensed cars either, right ?
And why does Codemasters have the R2 and R5 cars?
I'll give you three guesses. Maybe you'll figure it out for yourself.

If anyone's confused, it's you. You agreed to my contribution.
And it's not about a quote. It's about the whole...
I don't really care and I feel sorry for you because if you don't know what to do you'll get insulting

 

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2 hours ago, gleylancer571 said:

Does Codemasters have the license ?
No, so there won't be any licensed cars either, right ?
And why does Codemasters have the R2 and R5 cars?
I'll give you three guesses. Maybe you'll figure it out for yourself.

If anyone's confused, it's you. You agreed to my contribution.
And it's not about a quote. It's about the whole...
I don't really care and I feel sorry for you because if you don't know what to do you'll get insulting

 

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Does Codemasters have the license ?  Which license? the WRC license for WRC cars? no, they do not.

No, so there won't be any licensed cars either, right ?  Incorrect, all cars need to be licensed by their manufacturer and if part of a race series that's active, them too.

And why does Codemasters have the R2 and R5 cars?  They are "sub-classes" and licensed differently, the WRC class, for which those cars are not part of, is exclusive to another publisher and their own game.  Still need to be licensed by the manufacturer.

I'll give you three guesses. Maybe you'll figure it out for yourself.  I don't need to guess, we've been talking about licensing for the past 5 years.

If anyone's confused, it's you. You agreed to my contribution.  I liked your points about R5, R2 and the other classes you mentioned too.

And it's not about a quote. It's about the whole...  I'm only talking about my quote, i literally quoted the person asking for "current wrc cars like you did in DR1" and answered the way i did for that point, and that point only.

 

 

I don't really care and I feel sorry for you because if you don't know what to do you'll get insulting - Er, thanks?

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We also need a proper Junior class, so that we can do some proper Amateur, Junior, whatever you name it, leagues. The R2 class is good, but a lot of people showed interest in having the old 1600 Kit Car class.

This 1600 Kit Car class could be composed of:

Citroen Saxo I

1997-1999 Citroën Saxo Kit Car

I personally like the Mk2 version better, but it is way more powerful and doesn't obey to the same group rules, so this one would have to be my choice.

Ford Puma SRC

Ford Puma S1600 / KC - eWRC-results.com

Skoda Felicia 1.6 Kit Car

Zac on Twitter: "In my opinion, the Felicia Kit Car was the ...

Peugeot 106 Maxi

63 Best Maxi Rally images | Rally, Rally car, Motorsport

I believe these 4 cars cover enough field for a consistent, balanced and historically accurate 1600 Kit Car group.

 

And now it's time to fill some gaps in the F2 group, as this was also a broadly used class during the same years. It's basically and Intermediate class in between JWRC and WRC. These are all 2000cc and debit roughly more or less the same power. So not only it will be historically correct, but also fairly balanced. We already have the SEAT Ibiza, Peugeot 306 and the VW Golf Mk4 in this class.

Hyundai Coupe RD Evo 2

HYUNDAI+COUPE+KIT+CAR.jpg

Citroen Xsara Kit car

Citroën Xsara Kit Car :: Galeria de fotos Citroën :: 1758 ...

Renault Megane Maxi

Renault Megane Maxi - Kit Car | Renault megane, Rally car, Renault

These 3 cars added to the existing ones in DR2.0, would top up a nicely done F2 group.

This would allow for the community to be able to setup at least 3 different progressive leagues: JWRC -> F2 Kitcars -> WRC, all within the same contemporary years of 1998-2002.

The current R2 class is great to match with the R5 class, and maybe who knows if there's something else to go further up in the tiers.

 

We are really in need of such class depth, so that we can properly have a career progression feeling.

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On 4/21/2020 at 8:40 PM, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Per the first post, that's not gonna happen.  And they didn't have current WRC cars in DR either, they were old specs and mismatched.  I understand things tightened up after that so you won't get them at all.

It seems to me that the car on the cover of the dirt rally (game released in 2015) is a fairly current wrcar(polo rally=polo wrc 2015) ...anyway, I would have no problem that the next dirt rally(3) has "old" specifications and that they "do not match" whit "similar" cars to wrc 2017/18. But if is not, because now the licenses are "harder" ok. we will have to live with it.

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One thing I would like to see, even I know it's not going to happen, is proper Millington mk2 Escort. Dirt games needs to have legendary Works MK2 Escort, but also proper +300hp Millington powered escort with 6-speed sequential gear box, more modern rear axle and all the goodies would be neat. That car would need a totally new class for it, but it could be more open rwd class with e36 M3 and other stupidly fast rwd cars with modern stuff put in them. :classic_cool:

And yes I know earlier dirt games had that mismatch Escort. It tried to be historic rally car and Millington ford at the same time. :classic_wacko:

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In Dirt 3 and Dirt Rally there were even older WRC cars.
But did the situation get worse now?
I mean no, on the contrary since Dirt 4 we have R2 and R5 cars official Junior and WRC 2 cars
this is the best compromise Codemasters could make without a license.
I also love the historical cars, after all the Up 2000 CC has class 8 cars
What do the WRC games have to offer us ?
Only the WRC cars and official liveries and that was it.
The scope of Dirt is also right : 81 cars and 26 tracks
My conclusion is that I can live very well without WRC cars and when I want to drive them I buy WRC and WRC8 was boring for me very quickly and I played Dirt again

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I mainly just don't want to lose any cars we currently have. The current list is amazing.

Besides the obvious or the unattainable, there aren't any cars that are truly missing in DR2.0. Maybe an Up to 1600cc class for ~2012 wrc cars like in the original DiRT Rally.

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21 hours ago, Murikka said:

One thing I would like to see, even I know it's not going to happen, is proper Millington mk2 Escort. Dirt games needs to have legendary Works MK2 Escort, but also proper +300hp Millington powered escort with 6-speed sequential gear box, more modern rear axle and all the goodies would be neat. That car would need a totally new class for it, but it could be more open rwd class with e36 M3 and other stupidly fast rwd cars with modern stuff put in them. :classic_cool:

And yes I know earlier dirt games had that mismatch Escort. It tried to be historic rally car and Millington ford at the same time. :classic_wacko:

I absolutely love this idea! A 2.5 liter Millington powered mk2 Escort with carbon fiber and all the modern components similar to the one that Frank Kelly pilots. This 300+ hp car is epic. This would be fantastic for the next Dirt Rally game. Codemasters, please make this happen. Frank Kelly and his daughter Lauren had this car at Rally Legend at San Marino 2019.

https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Amateur-Sports-Team/KellyMotorsportRallying/posts/

 

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How about we start by adding a few Toyota cars in the game? 😂

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5 hours ago, FlatOverCrest said:

I absolutely love this idea! A 2.5 liter Millington powered mk2 Escort with carbon fiber and all the modern components similar to the one that Frank Kelly pilots. This 300+ hp car is epic. This would be fantastic for the next Dirt Rally game. Codemasters, please make this happen. Frank Kelly and his daughter Lauren had this car at Rally Legend at San Marino 2019.

https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Amateur-Sports-Team/KellyMotorsportRallying/posts/

 

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But only if we can still have that old BDA Escort too. :classic_biggrin: And it really would need to be in it's own class as it has nothing to do with historic rally cars, so maybe as I said earlier, some more open class for more "modified" rwd cars or Escort rally special class for Millington Escorts. :classic_wink:

And for Codies, there is no such thing as too many Ford Escorts. Mk2 is the ultimate rally car. 

 

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@Riggs as much as I would love to see a 106 Maxi on a DR game, I do understand that Codies would go on the S1600 route. They already have the Clio, Corsa, C2 and Swift done, just need new licensing and they would be good to go. I would also exchange the Hyundai for the Astra G Kit Car. But Kit-Cars and S1600 would only be good with great tarmec physics.

Hopefuly they can pull them off. If a guy alone could do it to RBR... a whole team could do it as well.

 

 

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I'd love to see more historic cars, to me they are more engaging and have a lot more personality than the newer generations of rally cars past group A.

Namely, stuff from Volvo, Triumph, Mercedes, Porsche 356 and VW Beetle, but most of all, I really want a rally Ford Falcon.  How much fun would that be?

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