What cars do we want to see in a future DIRT Rally game?

[F2CMaDMaXX 522]

I think DR2.0 did a fantastic job for it's cars, loads of new cars and some new classes upon launch, and all the old classics and MORE new cars in the DLC, loved the variety and range! 

The Colin pack was a fantastic finish to the game and i think it's clear there should be a DR3 going into dev at some point, and it better be on new tech with the new consoles coming this year 😄

 

Anyway, new cars!  if we get DR3, what new cars would you like to see?  What existing (DR2.0 cars) do you want to see return? or not return?  Unfortunately i think it's a foregone conclusion we won't get current or recent WRC cars as the rights to those are locked away with the promoter, but i think anything else is game!

 

I loved the expanded historical classes, the Ascona, extra GrpB cars and GrpA classes, just missing those Toyotas for now 😞 

I thought the following:

FWD H1 though the DS21 was, uh, interesting.

FWD H2 - this was kind of tough for me to like, but i'm not sure why.

RWD H2 - Love this class, feel free to expand it! 🙂

RWD H3 - Love this one too, too often forgotten, lots of fun.

F2 Kit Cars - This is a bonkers class, lots of love from many people, not my cup of tea, but they're massive fun on tarmac, unique experience for sure.

GrpB RWD - Awesome class, some real classics here, would love to see expansion here, 308, RX7 etc.

GrpB 4WD - Again, awesome class, love the cars.

R2 - Again, not my cup of tea, but they're very technical and a great modern starter car, not sure why i don't have as much fun in FWD cars in DR2 Vs. DR1.  Recommend keeping.

GrpA  - Talk about a backbone class, many classics here, would be amazing to get Toyotas in here, solid and fun class!

NR4/R4 - This could be fun, it's nice to have them, but they feel like over-heavy 2000cc class cars, which, they are, unfortunately they're massively mismatched and with only 2 cars, it feels like it's missing the point and i wonder if it's even worth continuing in their current guise, maybe invest in the other classes instead?

4WD up to 2000cc- Again, like GrpA, amazing class, many classics here and a great move into more modern "historical" cars Vs. the GrpA cars.  Should be split early/late 2000's though IMO.

R5 - Solid class, amazing on the edge competitive cars, a keep and possible expand for sure.

RGT - Brand new class for DR2.0 - a stand out surprise, i actually love these cars and this class for what they are, i'd like to see them return.

WRX - I do like World Rally Cross and i of course want to see them return, but i have less love for the cars, we've pretty much got the entire lineup, i like the classics as well as the modern.  Solid section of the game.

 

Here's the DR2.0 car list so you can see what we have and maybe add/subtract.

 

 

 

Huge post, i know, but i feel this is our opportunity to fight for cars in what i hope is the next game! 🙂  

Please stick to cars we want/don't want, how their split into classes is another topic and i don't want to worry about that part of game design right now.

[RGgiac 94]

Since Codies don't have WRC license, i wanna see a fictional WRC-spec class featuring cars like this:

 

In addition, they could try to include in same class this 2017 Polo that never competed in WRC:

 

edit: TBH I really don't like that much fake cars (I hate Camaro and Mustang in RGT class, and I don't like the fact that New England/Washington stages don't exist in real life), but in this case, it would be interesting to experience how modern WRC-spec cars handle in DR(3) physics.

Edited April 10, 2020 by RGgiac

[F2CMaDMaXX 522]

I think fictional cars should probably be for something like a Dirt titled game, not Dirt Rally titled, let's stick to the real things for this one 🙂

[richie 562]

56 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

I thought the following:

 

Almost perfectly summed up in my view. 

[RGgiac 94]

48 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

I think fictional cars should probably be for something like a Dirt titled game, not Dirt Rally titled, let's stick to the real things for this one 🙂

In this case, my vote goes to 2000s WRC cars that are missing:

Citroën Xsara WRC
Škoda Octavia WRC
Seat Cordoba WRC
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo WRC04
Peugeot 307 WRC
Subaru Impreza S9/S10/S11 WRC
Subaru Impreza S12/S12b WRC

[F2CMaDMaXX 522]

8 minutes ago, RGgiac said:

In this case, my vote goes to 2000s WRC cars that are missing:

Citroën Xsara WRC
Škoda Octavia WRC
Seat Cordoba WRC
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo WRC04
Peugeot 307 WRC
Subaru Impreza S9/S10/S11 WRC
Subaru Impreza S12/S12b WRC

I neglected to mention that i'd like the rest of Colin's cars adding to the game, but we have to be a little choosy with which almost identical cars we add.

 

Xsara, for sure.

Octavia, hmm, maybe, but it's almost the Fabia.

Seat, interesting one.

Lancer Evo '04 hmm.

307?  Do we have to? that thing's ugly 😄

How many Imprezas, is too many Imprezas?  😄This one might be hard to argue due them just being iterations, i'd like to have some reason to drive one over the other. 

[dylanh25 9]

A few thoughts on new classes/manufacturers. Tried to avoid listing every rally car ever, debatable if I succeeded

H1(RWD) Would love for a Lotus Cortina to be added. And the Mk1 Escort, though perhaps that should be H2. Other possible cars:Hillman Imp, Renault 8

S1600 Rally Feel like this would bridge the gap between R2 and F2 well. Also potentially a very well balanced class like R5, a number of similar performance cars in S1600.

Group N/NR4 Really like driving these cars, unfortunately only Subaru/Mitsi competing for a long time. Maybe adding some older cars could generate some interesting matchups e.g. N14/Evo IX, N8/Evo VII

Very happy with all the other classes

Manufacturers

Toyota I think this has been well covered

Mazda A surprisingly long rally history here for a manufacturer not mentioned much. The RX3 (H2 RWD), Group 2 RX7(H3 RWD), Group B RX7(Group B RWD), 323 GTR(Group A), and a RX8(RGT) are all worthy of being added in my opinion

Nissan/Datsun Already have the 240Z which is cool but also: Datsun 160J(H2 RWD), Nissan 240RS(Group B RWD), Nissan Sunny GTiR(Group A), Nissan Pulsar(F2), and finally a 370Z (RGT)

Mitsubishi Already a strong presence but 1982 Lancer Turbo (H2/H3 RWD), Starion 4WD(Group B 4WD), Galant VR4(Group A), and an early Lancer Evo(Group A) would be awesome

Would probably need a rejig of career mode to have a reason to use all of these but to get even a few of these would be excellent.

[Murikka 251]

I would love to see these;

(Codies should also get rid of that Escort's ugly double light front grill)

BMW e36 M3 would be the best of those IMO. Those are totally bonkers and actually some of those M3's tops higher top speeds here than WRC cars does. 

 

[HoksuHoo 566]

5 hours ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

I think fictional cars should probably be for something like a Dirt titled game, not Dirt Rally titled, let's stick to the real things for this one 🙂

Dirt Rally 2.0 has fictional cars already. And you are asking for them to return. There's room to have a few fantasy cars as well in a game with mostly very real cars. We aren't going to get current-spec WRC cars in a Dirt Rally title anytime soon so a fictional car is the next best thing.

Edited April 10, 2020 by HoksuHoo

[F2CMaDMaXX 522]

23 minutes ago, HoksuHoo said:

Dirt Rally 2.0 has fictional cars already. And you are asking for them to return. There's room to have a few fantasy cars as well in a game with mostly very real cars. We aren't going to get current-spec WRC cars in a Dirt Rally title anytime soon so a fictional car is the next best thing.

No, no you don't have fictional cars in DR2 - you may have odd cars that aren't specifically homologated for rally, but they're all real cars.

These are not fantasy car games, they're real cars and real rally, so i don't think it makes any sense to put in fictional cars, it doesn't fit.

Either way, this is a cars for DR3 thread, let's stick to cars that exist for this one please 🙂

[HoksuHoo 566]

8 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

No, no you don't have fictional cars in DR2 - you may have odd cars that aren't specifically homologated for rally, but they're all real cars.

These are not fantasy car games, they're real cars and real rally, so i don't think it makes any sense to put in fictional cars, it doesn't fit.

Either way, this is a cars for DR3 thread, let's stick to cars that exist for this one please 🙂

Ford Mustang GT4 is a GT4 racecar, the one that appears in DR2.0 is a fictional rally spec version.

Camaro ditto.

A fictional version of a real car is fictional. Kind of like how Peugeot 208 is a real car but a WRC spec version of it is fictional. It's no different from a fictional R-GT version of a GT4 racer, so at least try to be consistent about your assertions.

Polo WRC 2017 is not even fictional, it's a very real car that just never got to race.

[F2CMaDMaXX 522]

9 minutes ago, HoksuHoo said:

Ford Mustang GT4 is a GT4 racecar, the one that appears in DR2.0 is a fictional rally spec version.

Camaro ditto.

A fictional version of a real car is fictional. Kind of like how Peugeot 208 is a real car but a WRC spec version of it is fictional. It's no different from a fictional R-GT version of a GT4 racer, so at least try to be consistent about your assertions.

Polo WRC 2017 is not even fictional, it's a very real car that just never got to race.

You seem confused, and very off topic.  Fictional /= changed spec.  The Mustang and Camaro are real cars with real specs, that they're not used in rally discipline doesn't make them fictional.

I'm not talking about the 2017 Polo that never saw competition, what would you put it in a class with?  The suggestion here is to make a bunch of cars with specs they never had (not uses) and then match them to WRC specs, i think you'll find that won't fly as the WRC promoter is very tight over their 'stuff'.  They you have to look at what the cars are called, the manufacturers names are on them, *they* won't let that get past licensing, it just won't fly unless they're totally fake names, fake designs, fake specs.  Wrong game.

 

Anyway, @RGgiac suggested fictional cars with current WRC specs to get round the licensing issue, that's fine, but as i said, it'll not get round licensing until they're actually fake, and most people won't like that, on top of the fact the Dirt games have real cars in them.

The 2017 Polo is something loads of people wanted a few years back, because it was never homologated, but again, it'd have no class to race in against other like cars.

 

So my main purpose of this thread was to see what cars we'd like to see in the probable Dirt Rally 3, we just can't get current WRC because of licensing, but at least we're allowed to have/use the R5 class (and R2)  At this point i'd imagine it's going to be filling out the current classes, or whatever they become, with the cars we don't yet have, like Lotus Talbot Sunbeams, Rover Vitesse, Triumph TR7(8), Mazda RX7, Ferrari 308 etc.

[Evilsmurf 90]

Vauxhall Nova. 

[PJTierney 5,368]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_R

 

 

 

 

[richie 562]

I think the idea of adding a H1 RWD is great. Would love to see a Volvo 240 or 142. ^^

 

Edit: Look at these things 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by richie

[HoksuHoo 566]

6 hours ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

 The Mustang and Camaro are real cars with real specs

See here how it literally says it's been modified for R-GT racing. Hence, not real GT4 spec. Which should be quite obvious anyway as real GT4 spec would be terrible for gravel and snow. And it's a modification that has never been done in reality. Of course you could keep arguing all day about how they are not technically fictional but that's kind of beside the point. I'm not even overly keen on arguing about whether they are technically fictional or not, just an obvious example of something that very clearly is not 100% authentic and true to life since these are not even rally cars. Which btw is perfectly cool imo, I wouldn't mind some more fantasy R-GT conversions of GT racers.

At least you could appreciate that just because you don't want fictional/semi-fictional WRC cars does not mean you can dictate people are not allowed to wish for them.

Edited April 10, 2020 by HoksuHoo

[Babz03 14]

Alright, this is my kind of topic ! 😄

I want to start by saying the car selection in DR2 is superb and, in a perfect world, every car present in DR2 would get put back in a potential DR3. I like every single one of them, I'm very glad for the great variety and I wish it would just expand.

As much as I love grassroots rally car builds, I think DR's car selection is strong because each car is authentic and homologated in the real world (yes, there's a slight stretch with R-GT's but the Mustang, Camaro and BMW would fit the class is anyone wanted to actually rally them, there has been single-entries RWD converted Gallardos in the past to give you an idea on how "lax" R-GT's are).

I would also like to adress that having "un-competitive" cars is absolutely fine ! Yes, WR chasers aren't going to use the 240Z or the DS21 but restricting classes to "competitive cars" only would give us a lot of single-to-two car entries per class 😄

Finally, on fictional cars : I don't care much for them. I kinda understand the appeal but I'm personally not interested at all.

 

That said, let's get on with a big ol' list ! I'll start by adding entries to existing classes and then I'll try and mock up classes that we don't have but would fit the game like a glove. Every car that I will put forward has been homologated IRL, for consistency's sake.

 

H1 FWD : I was amazed with the addition of the DS in that class ! Hard to find a lot of cars to add here that are going to fit the sort of timeframe we seem to be working with (most cars being RWD at the time) but the obvious addition here would be a Saab 96.

H2 FWD : Started as a single-car class in D4, it was great to see the Golf added to the list here ! Loads of good FWD Group A cars would fit very well here like McRae's own Vauxhall Nova ! The Peugeot 309 GTi or the more modern Renault Clio 16S would also fit the bill quite well. The addition of oddballs such as the Nissan Micra (March) Super Turbo would be great too.

H2 RWD : Now here's a popular class ! A very well put together car selection here but, with so many candidates I'm quite amazed this class hasn't been expended. From Volvo 140's to Vauxhall Chevette, Peugeot 504 V6 to Talbot Sunbeam, Toyota Celica RA20 GT2000 to Datsun Violet 710. Even a good ol' Fiat 124 Spider would fit well here. There's so much that can be done here !

H3 RWD : A good class that has been well expended with very different cars that fit loads of playstyles. From the last of the group 4 breed to RWD Group A cars, there's a lot to like ... and a lot that can be added here ! Some obvious candidates would be things like the Ferrari 308 GTB, Alpine A310 V6. Loads of oddballs can fit right in also like the Mitsubishi Lancer Turbo, Mitsubishi Starion Turbo, Mercedes 190E 2.3 ... Even Mk III Supra's have been homologated ! And for those who like big V8 luxoboats, Mercedes rallied their 500 SLC too back in the day !

F2 Kit Car : The MKIV golf was a nice addition here and this class is so well defined that finding new cars to put here is a breeze. Here's some I'd love to see here : Hyundai Coupe RD Evo 2, driven by Colin's brother it was pretty competitive on the rough stuff where most F2's were tarmac cars. Renault Megane Maxi, because we all need another high-strung French tarmac monster ! The Opel (Vauxhall) Astra G also made for a pretty cool, if late) kit car. There's also some kit cars that were used as fundations for early WRC cars, the Ibiza we already have helped for developping the later Cordoba WRC. The Citroen Xsara Kit Car was an absolute tarmac monster that helped for the Xsara WRC. The lesser known exemple is the Skoda Octavia Kit Car ! Yes, big sedans can be FWD tarmac eating monsters too ! Finally, we already have "some of it" in the game, so why not add the Nissan Sunny Kit Car ? 😄

Group B RWD : One of my absolute favorite class that has been greatly expended in DR2 ! I'm amazed the BMW M1 is featured in a rally game ! The obvious possible additions here would be the Renault 5 Maxi Turbo and the Mazda RX-7 FB, which would add even more drivetrain diversity in a very diverse class. I would also enjoy seeing the Nissan Silvia 240RS Evo and the Toyota Celica TA64.

Group B AWD : Not much wiggle room here as we have a pretty complete selection already. The Citroen BX 4TC is the obvious, if not joke-y addition here. I would also enjoy seeing older evolution of the cars we already have, such has the earlier Audi Quattro seen in DR1 or even the non-evo peugeot 205 T16.

R2 : A well defined class that only waits for a few cars to be added, like the newest Peugeot 208 which has gone turbo.

Group A : Talk about a cornerstone of a class ! The obvious addition here would be the Castrol-painted, rules-bending Toyota Celica ST205. For a while, this class felt like it was somewhat limited to newer 4WD group A cars but the recent addition of the Subaru legacy is refreshing and makes me want more old 4WD goodies ! Cars like the Mazda 323 GTR or older Mazda 323 BR 4WD Turbo, Mitsubishi Galant VR4 or any older variant of the Lancer Evolution and the Nissan Sunny GTi-R ! We can also count some pretty amazing oddballs such as the Audi 200 Quattro or the Ford Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth 4x4 (what a long name ! 😄 ).

NR4 : A good introduction to modern 4WD rallying, this class is pretty dead as it counts only late model group N cars. There isn't much to go around here except maybe adding an older Impreza group N model or Lancer Evo IX. There is, however, a renewal of the rules concerning R4 cars with most of them built around a Oreca supplied kit. So there could be cars such as the Fiat 500X R4 or the -good news- Dacia Sandero R4 being added here 😄

4WD up to 2000CC : What. A. Class. Hard to make a wishlist here that is not "basically all of them". And yes, I would love to see even the Suzuki SX4 or the Peugeot 307 in there. Keep feeding us that good stuff ! 😄

R5 : Not many cars that can be added here ! Well represented and well defined, it is easy to find the couple of cars that are missing here such has the Citroen DS3 or the latest Ford Fiesta.

R-GT : R-GT being pretty open as it is, all sorts of cars can be "imagined" to be running here. there are however a couple of usual suspects seen in actual rallyes are missing, cars like the Fiat Abarth 124 Spider

 

Here are my thoughts on existing classes ... but how about adding some new classes :

H1 RWD : The obvious class to add. All sorts of great low-power RWD cars can fit in there from Hillman imp to MK1 Escorts, Opel Kadett B's to NSU TT's, Renault 8's to Simca Rallye 2's, old VW's, Datsun 510's (we all need a Datsun 510 Safari in our lives). The list can go on and on !

Super 2000 : A class I've been straved from since Dirt 3 ! S2000 can be seen as a "proto R5" with -mostly- high strung 2L NA engines. Basically think of them like smashing a F2 kit car engine into a R5 chassis. Not many cars were made for that class but a good start would be with the Peugeot 207 S2000 and the Fiat Grande Punto S2000. There has been some VW Polo IV's and MG ZR's also added to the mix.

FWD up to 1600cc : Basically, bunching up Super 1600 cars like the Polo S1600, Clio S1600, Corsa S1600 (all present in the game as RX cars) with smaller displacement F2 kit cars like the Ford Puma kit car, Citroen Saxo car and Peugeot 106 Maxi.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Babz03

[Janneman60 158]

H1 class, add cars like escort mk1, saab 96 and the beetle

H2 class, make 1 class with a mixture of fwd and rwd cars (we don't have that right now)

F2 class, add more cars, like Megane and Nissan Sunny

N4 class, skip this one it doesn't add to the experience

RX add a retro class, if you add the cars to H1 and H2 class like I propose you have the models already, maybe add a Porsche and Lancia Stratos as they were iconic rx cars in that time period

[UnderclassGDfan 520]

Not sure, what I should be wishing for.
I just hope, we won't lose any.

Assuming 2011 and onwards WRC cars, Toyota's, Hyundai's and Citroen's are not possible due to licensing, my wishlist is quite short:

Group B 4WD: Audi Sport quattro S1 from DR1

Up to 2000cc: SUBARU Impreza S12b, maybe that strange Lancer Evo WRC04 car

R5: Skoda Fabia Evo, Ford Fiesta Mk8

NR4/R4: Lancer Evo IX

But none of these I REALLY, REALLY need to have.
I just hope they get a really cool (OFFLINE) career mode next time. With fictional teams you have to enter and signing contracts with specific goals you have to reach and going up the years chronological from the MINI Cooper to the modern R5's.
But with an open end, so you just can continue after going through all of them.


The scenario-mode was a step in the right direction.
I need a reason to drive all the cars in the game, I tend to use only a few of them, despite loving most of them.

Sorry, got a bit off-topic 🤣

[fabzvii 4]

I could make a list with 100 cars that need to be added but here some important ones.
Many cars from finnish, estonian, czech championship would be great (Like the ones listed above or that i link).
Many have some bigger history. Here is a small list i made.

F2 (Rest the missing 24 cars like Clio Maxi,xsara)
S1600 (clio, c2, punto, corsa...)
S2000

Group R

Group 2:

Chrysler Sunbeam Lotus group 2

Skoda 130 RS Group 2
Datsun Violet 710 Group 2
Saab 96 V4 group 2
BMW 2002 Ti group 2
Trabant P601 group 2
Volvo 142S group 2

Group 4:

FSO Polonez Group 4
Lancia Beta Monte Carlo group 4
Fiat 124 Abarth Rally Group 4
Vauxhall Chevette 2300 HS group 4
Saab 99 EMS 16V group 4

Group A:

Toyota Starlet KP61 group A
Toyota Corolla AE86 GT group A
Volvo 240

Opel Kadett E GSi 16V group A
VAZ Lada Samara 21083 group A
Skoda Favorit 136L group A
Renault Clio I Williams group A
Peugeot 309 II GTi16 group A
Nissan Sunny N14 GTi group A

(early 90s)
Audi 200 Group A
Mitsubishi Galant Group A
Toyota Celica ST165 GT4
Mazda 323 BG8 4WD/GTX group A

Group B:

Renault 5 Maxi Turbo group B
Toyota Celica TA64 Twin Cam Turbo group B
Mazda RX7 FB group B
Skoda 130 LR Group B

 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by fabzvii

[johntology 4]

Evo IX. Not the WRC one with the goofy trunk/windshield wing. Like a Grp N car.

[bogani 765]

As we can't be the WRC game of modern times, let's be the inofficial 1997-2006 WRC game, the golden years of the WRC regulations! Flesh those classes out with Hyundai Accents, Octavias, Seat Cordobas, Suzuki SX4(LOL) and Citroen Xsaras. 

Let's get ******* TOYOTA onboard now as well, so many classic cars there. 

And Volvos. Lots of Volvos. 

[F2CMaDMaXX 522]

Thanks for the input/suggestions so far, and don't worry about class designations, we'll leave that to CM, we just need to name cars we want, and want to keep, in order for CM to see what our wishlist is 🙂

 

The current expanded DR2.0 roster really is great, as others have said, there are very few that i'd want to see lost, but i hope the fat can be trimmed to allow us even more cars in the game, remember licensing costs, so we'll be with DLC again for some cars, like we were for DR2.0.  Can't wait to see people complaining the cars were in previous games 😄  Only so many cars exist 😉

[gleylancer571 446]

Seat Octavia

Seat Cordoba

Mitsubishi WRC 05

Lancer Evo 9

Toyota

Celica  ST185

Celica St205

Celica Twincam

Corolla

Citroen

Xsara Mk 1 and 2

BX

Opel

Kadett D

Kadett E

Vectra A

Manta A

Astra G

Astra H

Peugeot

307

306 Cosworth

207

Renault Megane Maxi

Renault Clio S1600

 

Edited April 11, 2020 by gleylancer571

[TheFlyingTuga 109]

I think the classic classes are pretty much full, I just hope the division gets better done like Gr.B_RWD, H2_RWD (with the Gr.4 cars) and Gr.A_RWD. 

I'm more of a recent cars type of guy, so I would love to see included the Abarth 124 R-GT and the Alpine A110 R-GT. You can let go of the Chevy and the Mustang and the Bimmer even.

R2 class or Rally4 as it is now called, I would love to see the new 208 and Fiesta (and the Renault if it comes)

R5 ou Rally2 I would love to see the Proton and the new Fiesta added (scrap the 208 and the Mitsu). A returned i20 would be good as well.

 

I would like the Kit-Cars to have one or two more cars so the 306 Maxi is not the OP anymore. Megane, Astra, Xsara... you choose... I loved me some KC

 

 

Edited April 11, 2020 by TheFlyingTuga