Safety Car issue. Mass DSQ

[Bicarda 465]

1.       A description of the issue:
The same happened to us a few weeks ago but that stream has already been removed from twitch. But yesterday evening it happened again.
What basically happens is that sometimes the car in p1 is allowed to overtake the safety car. the safety car then stops on track to catch the leader. (or drives even slower than normal). But  other cars are NOT allowed to overtake the safety car.

In our race a few weeks ago this resulted in the p1 driver getting a free lap and getting a blue flag on everyone after catching up to them again. (P1 overtook sc between T1 spa and eau rouge after pit lane)

In our race yesterday as can be seen in the video below it resulted in half the grid getting disqualified. Because the SC was sitting still so by the time we got the illegal overtake message we had to reverse half the main straight to get behind the s.c. again.  (P1 overtook sc between t1 and t2, safety car might have still been in the pitlane.. but definitely out of the pits. p1 got no message on what to do whatsoever. 
Biggest mystery is why the remaining cars did NOT get disqualified. 

And then just last week something kinda similar happened where the s.c. did not start moving until there was kind of a pileup behind. I don't know if this is related. (I will include that video too)

2.       What version of the game you are using 
1.22

3.       Game-mode? 
Unranked invite-only. (League race)

4.       Are you able to recreate the issue? If so, please include recreation steps on how you encountered this issue. 
As with all issues with online, there are way too many factors to recreate a problem like this. You would need a full grid of people trying to recreate a certain situation. 
My suspicions are it is either a (short) desync between the host and the p1 driver, or some issue when the s.c. has just (or not yet) left the pit lane.


5.       How often do you see this problem? Is it the only time or does it always happen? 
It does not happen every safety car. Issues with the safety car have become a lot more apparent now there's more safety cars to go around.

6.       Have you tried any troubleshooting? We recommend the steps here as a starting point for any issues. Please let us know what troubleshooting methods you have tried while creating this post. 

This is a glitch that happens sporadically (tho when it does it can be quite detrimental to everyone's enjoyment, as can be seen in the video.)

7.       Any accessories you are using (gamepad, wheel etc) 

There is a mixture of pad and wheel users in the league. I don't believe using either is what causes this issue. 

8.       Any screenshots or video of the issue? If the video is long, please include a timestamp for when the issue appears.   

Video of yesterdays issue where half the field got disqualified (Yet p1, who passed the safety car and the s.c. was waiting for did not)
https://clips.twitch.tv/ConsiderateOptimisticYogurtTheThing Part 1
https://clips.twitch.tv/AntediluvianFancyBeaverPeanutButterJellyTime Part 2

Part 1 starts as p1 (Haas) is overtaking the safety car after turn 1. you can see the chaos unfolding behind the s.c. with the McLaren and Ferrari not knowing what to do, but eventually getting away with passing it. Most other cars get DSQ'd before they know what happened. (The S.C. is sitting still in the middle of the straight at that point so no one is expecting to have to wait for it.. we obviously thought the safety car failed to get the leader and was waiting.)


Now another video with a s.c. issue that might be related so i'll just add it: 
https://clips.twitch.tv/CautiousAbnegateBunnySoonerLater

Here you can see the safety car not responding to P1 approaching. who has to brake after passing it. Carnage ensues behind because noone expected the entire road to be blocked by a safety car and the entire top 3 sitting stationary on track. We don't know if P1 would have been allowed to drive on. This might have been a very similar glitch that just turned out differently. 
 

 

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Which is also why these issues are so hard to replicate. And I think most of it is just p2p messiness that we'll never get our finger around until Codemasters stars taking their game seriously enough to start building a system around it with actual servers that the lobby is hosted on. that are worthy of a 0.001 second game.

If we had a race director function in the lobby, Who could use something like the debug menu we used to have, to force out the safety car and just mess around with it. This would help us tremendously with trying out things way more efficiently. (And this race director in the lobby can also add-remove-correct-penalties during the race. Humans are better at that stuff than the game ever will) But the game is very sluggish to easily play around with and try things. especially for online. And there's not many settings so if stuff's broken we have to deal with the broken stuff even though we know it's broken.

If the s.c. frequency in f1 2020 is anything like it is now this NEEDS fixing. We're all hoping you're gonna spend more time polishing this new one for once instead of adding more half-baked stuff. 
This build your own team is all fun and games for the career YouTubers but if no one but them actually wants to play the game because of all the bugs all that effort is just in vain. 

[BarryBL 4,314]

Hi @Bicarda

I just want to say thanks firstly for a top quality bug report. It literally gives me all the information I could need for the developers. I've passed this straight on for you and logged it as a report with them.

As you said, it is quite a difficult thing to pin down with a consistent method of reproduction, but I'm down to try. 

Can you just clarify one thing for me (just a small matter). Did you run using the 'Leagues' mode, or Unranked Invite-Only and classed it as a 'League Race'. Just so my report is accurate really.

[Bicarda 465]

27 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

Hi @Bicarda

I just want to say thanks firstly for a top quality bug report. It literally gives me all the information I could need for the developers. I've passed this straight on for you and logged it as a report with them.

As you said, it is quite a difficult thing to pin down with a consistent method of reproduction, but I'm down to try. 

Can you just clarify one thing for me (just a small matter). Did you run using the 'Leagues' mode, or Unranked Invite-Only and classed it as a 'League Race'. Just so my report is accurate really.

We never use league mode. There are too many issues with regards to reserve drivers, being able to quickly restart,  (without redoing quali) or adding/removing our own penalties. (So the standings won't be correct anyway) We would love for league mode to be fixed and the game to become stable enough to use it. (And for engine/gearbox wear to be added so it actually adds something but that's another discussion)

We use unranked lobbies for our league races. Just meant to say that it was not a random lobby were people were leaving and joining all the time which can cause issues on its own. but a league race where we know all the people and know they usually have a stable connection. Everybody was from northwestern Europe too. As sterile an environment as you're gonna get online in this game.

[BarryBL 4,314]

Cool, thanks for clarifying @Bicarda

[TomInce 1]

I have had two online unranked races in China and a safety car bug has happened like the above.  First time several cars overtook me and then overtook the safety car.  Next time I was leader and held position behind safety car to then be hit from behind and upon rejoining told to hold position in 3rd but then everyone kept racing me and passing me when we were supposed to be holding position.   It ended in chaos as everyone was hitting each other and overtaking.  

[steviejay69 1,100]

@BarryBL 27 February, same bug. Not new.

Edited May 11 by steviejay69

[Angrydad678 0]

Had similar but in an unranked online in Australia. SC stopped on track after turn 2. I was told to pass SC and when I did I got DSQ'd. This needs to be fixed.