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This is something that has been a consistent issue since the game has launched. 

We seem to have had a ton of F2 kitcar events recently.

Just did the F2 kitcar stage in Australia today (25 April), then did the NR4/R4 daily in Australia, and it was exactly the same stage 😪

Then today we also have a 'bonus' event which uses Group A (free choice, not just limited to the Legacy) in Argentina. This is not 'bonus' at all as my understanding is that the bonus events are supposed to use only DLC cars/tracks. 

And that has also been an issue for a while now, with tons of bonus events not being 'bonus' at all.

Related to that is the incorporation of the DLC - 50% of the game is DLC, and yet there seems to be less than 50% incorporation of it into the community events.

Really hope these issues can be looked at and addressed before the final patch.

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Yeah, I'd love to know how they come up with the combination of classes and locations for these. As you say, we've had loads and loads of Kitcar stuff lately. And 99% of the time the GT class has events on Australia lately. One downside that frustrates me is that I've barely been able to get decent mileage (for the engine tuning stages) with certain classes (Group B RWD and 2000cc) because of the relative dearth of events for them.

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1 hour ago, roth8588 said:

Yeah, I'd love to know how they come up with the combination of classes and locations for these. As you say, we've had loads and loads of Kitcar stuff lately. And 99% of the time the GT class has events on Australia lately. One downside that frustrates me is that I've barely been able to get decent mileage (for the engine tuning stages) with certain classes (Group B RWD and 2000cc) because of the relative dearth of events for them.

Its a weekly group b rwd currently with about 9 stages or so. Thats like 9 dailys if you want to level up the cars. 🙂 Its still 14 hours left so you still got time to do it.

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1 hour ago, somethingthing said:

Its a weekly group b rwd currently with about 9 stages or so. Thats like 9 dailys if you want to level up the cars. 🙂 Its still 14 hours left so you still got time to do it.

Yep, already done that one thankfully. I say thankfully because I haven't been able to connect to the server for most of today. But it was the first Group RWD weekly I've seen in a while.

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There is a Group B RWD weekly going on now, but in the bigger picture the amount of Group B RWD and 2000cc events is painfully low. Also R-GT which has a weekly now but generally has very few events. I have played online events every week since September so really cannot help but notice how certain classes are woefully under-represented in online events while for example R2 and H1 have events all the time. It's something I kind of can't avoid noticing as a player who loves Group B RWD, 2000cc and R-GT and would like to race them online but can't since there are so few events with them.

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there have been bonus events that do not use DLC for many months (like, 8+). they used to be super rare, however, so I'm not surprised you didn't notice them (I estimate it was roughly one every 2 weeks).

they are just more common now since it went on PS Plus, presumably to make the game a little more accessible to the many new players.

getting lots of km into cars for engine upgrades and stuff is what career mode is for. if you don't want to do a whole championship, just do the events you like most and then abandon. it doesn't matter.

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8 hours ago, PJTierney said:

I got some word on this yesterday.

 

  • The initial allocation for each batch of events is random, however it's then tweaked manually based on which classes are historically least popular.
  • R2 and R5 are generally favoured a little bit more, as they're (a) 2 of the most popular classes in the game and (b) easier to drive.
  • H1 and H2 Classes are good for onboarding new players, and as I'm sure you're all aware we have a significant amount of new players coming in this month thanks to PlayStation.

 

So 2000cc is historically (whatever that means) the least popular class in the game since it's almost nonexistent in online events? Finding that a bit difficult to believe. R-GT and Group B RWD are not everyone's cup of tea since they are quite a lot more demanding to drive than R2 or H1 but does that really mean there should be almost no online events with them? R2 or H1 isn't really everyone's cup of tea either since some of us find those cars are quite dull compared to many other more exciting cars in the game.

R2 isn't favored "a little bit more". From what I've seen R2 has several as many events as 2000cc, R-GT and Group B RWD combined. Just seems a waste to neglect such great cars. Surely the online events shouldn't be designed exclusively to newbies and players who want cars that are as easy to drive as possible

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One of the not so random community events lately has been RX at Killarney. As much as I like Killarney, I’d like to go to a few more locations. I can’t recall the last time I raced at Silverstone on RX for a community event, for example. Also, lately, it also seems that Killarney is one of the most rainy places on the planet as 90% of the RX events I’ve done there are in heavy rain. There was also a few days of RX at Abu Dhabi almost exclusively. If we have all of these RX locations, why do I only seem to race at two? And please, please, PLEASE, before this game is completely off the support radar, is there nothing we can do reduce the number of events that are held in the rain? When the game released on the PS store or whatever, when more people were joining, it actually seemed like there were more clear races. BRING THAT BACK, please! I enjoy the game 100x more when it’s not constantly raining. 

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@tharding67 there was a Group B RX event at Silverstone a day or two ago. 

I rarely see rain in rx community events, not sure why you would claim that there's tons of it.

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@ianism my friend, I posted my last post on Tuesday. It’s Saturday now and surprise, RX Supercars at Killarney in heavy rain. 

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4 minutes ago, tharding67 said:

@ianism my friend, I posted my last post on Tuesday. It’s Saturday now and surprise, RX Supercars at Killarney in heavy rain. 

2 events is not a big sample. I've been playing the game for 14 months and at various points I've kept track of what weather conditions and what stages the algorithm(s?) pick in My Team*. this has mostly been for rally events, but it means I keep mental note of it in RX too.

*for example: 

I'll do a tally over the next week or two, and we'll see how it goes, yeah?

today's RX events are in SA and Hell. 1 rain and 1 dry.

 

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@ianism I’ve been playing the game that long too, since release. I was just saying, for the sake of this thread, that at least two (I’ve not kept a tally) events in the same week at the same location in the same conditions just gets tiring. In my opinion, Yas Marina has been a fairly repetitive RX event in the daily community events as well, but at least that one is mostly in the dry. As other people have noted, a bunch of NZ events in the community events as well. I know they were trying to gear a lot of the events toward the new players, but if that means the regular players are being forced to do the same thing every day, who’s gaining anything here?

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1 hour ago, tharding67 said:

@ianism I’ve been playing the game that long too, since release. I was just saying, for the sake of this thread, that at least two (I’ve not kept a tally) events in the same week at the same location in the same conditions just gets tiring. In my opinion, Yas Marina has been a fairly repetitive RX event in the daily community events as well, but at least that one is mostly in the dry. As other people have noted, a bunch of NZ events in the community events as well. I know they were trying to gear a lot of the events toward the new players, but if that means the regular players are being forced to do the same thing every day, who’s gaining anything here?

the locations are random, the weather is random. and the car classes are random but tweaked. actual mathematical randomness doesn't always generate the pure variety we expect when we think of randomness as a concept.

Killarney and Yas Marina (and Lydden, Estering, and Bikernieki too actually, but apparently you haven't noticed those) have popped up more often recently because there are always (at least, since the game was made free on PS Plus a month ago) two Promo community challenges every day which always (as far as I can tell) use DLC locations and base game car classes (the point is that they allow people who do not own DLC locations to try them out, but cannot do the same for the cars outside online MP). one of them is is always RX and the other is always rally. there are 5 DLC RX locations and 7 DLC rally ones. RX almost always uses the one class everyone wants to play (ie, Supercars) whereas rally can be any class (several of which some people use less, whether it's Group B or H1/H2. people clearly have more varied tastes and capabilities here) so it's natural that the RX tracks seem to get overused.

among the Bonus (Daily) challenges, one of the four is always RX, and it uses any RX location in the game. that means it's possible for there to be 2 RX events in the same DLC location one day. it doesn't happen very often, but sometimes it does, and people complain when things like this happen, as if randomness doesn't generate coincidences. it does. if you run a randomness generator enough times, it is guaranteed to create coincidences.

let's look at your example of getting one particular RX track in the rain twice in five days:

  • there are 5 DLC RX tracks in the game. probability of getting Killarney in a Promo challenge is 1/5 (20%)
  • let's say for argument's sake the algorithm picks rainy weather 33.3% of the time. probability 1/3
  • so the probability of getting Killarney in the rain is 1/15. (1/3 x 1/5)
  • from Tuesday to Saturday, there were 5 Promo RX events. 1/15 x 5 = 5/15 = 1/3. so there's a 1/3 chance of this happening in any given 5-day stretch.
  • but that's not all, because you need to include the Bonus events too. 1/13 RX tracks multiplied by a 33.3% chance of rain equals 1/39 chance of getting rainy Killarney on any given day; multiplied by 5 for 5 days equals 5/39, which is 12.8%
  • 12.8% + 33.3% = 46.1%. so a 46% chance of getting Killarney in the rain in a Daily challenge over any 5-day stretch.
  • finally, divide by 2 (because you need 2 instances of rain + Killarney, not just 1) and you get 23%.
  • that's pretty high, isn't it? on average, that's nearly 1.5 times per month, just for that one specific track.

now, before I get 5 people telling me the numbers are made up, yeah that's the point. this is just a thought experiment to show that randomness doesn't always generate occurrences that we think of as "random". because us humans aren't as good at estimating probabilities as we think. 

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If its random something seems to be wrong because its 13 countrys and out of 7 daily events 4 was in nz. Thats a bit too many times the dice rolled on nz.

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you clearly don't understand how randomness works. read my post again. if you roll a dice 1000 times, at some point it will roll a 6 ten times in a row.

random = **** happens.

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On 5/2/2020 at 3:54 PM, ianism said:

@tharding67 there was a Group B RX event at Silverstone a day or two ago. 

I rarely see rain in rx community events, not sure why you would claim that there's tons of it. 

PJ has written himself that the events will be adapted to Manuel so it is no coincidence
RX events there were actually many with rain but I don't mind
No one is forced to play the game and why do you buy it?
Not to play it?
The point is simply that everyone who bought the DLCs wants to play them
Furthermore the Up to 2000cc with 16,43% is the most popular class but the least ridden at the events

 

Codemasters also thinks about the players who bought the DLCs with real money, what about the DLC BUYERS?


We have 16 events of which 8 should be filled with DLCs and 8 with base game, if the base game owners want to play the remaining 8 they should buy the DLCs.
I and many others have bought the DLCs and what I buy I want to use
And the argument that I'm not forced to play the events, I buy a game to play it and not the other way around !!!!

 

 

 

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As for the randomness debate, @ianism is right. A purely random system wouldn't be a good idea, as it could potentially give us the same car class or rally in dailies throughout many days. So what we actually want is a better algorithm, so that there is enough variety in the community events.

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18 hours ago, gleylancer571 said:

PJ has written himself that the events will be adapted to Manuel so it is no coincidence
RX events there were actually many with rain but I don't mind
No one is forced to play the game and why do you buy it?
Not to play it?
The point is simply that everyone who bought the DLCs wants to play them
Furthermore the Up to 2000cc with 16,43% is the most popular class but the least ridden at the events

 

Codemasters also thinks about the players who bought the DLCs with real money, what about the DLC BUYERS?


We have 16 events of which 8 should be filled with DLCs and 8 with base game, if the base game owners want to play the remaining 8 they should buy the DLCs.
I and many others have bought the DLCs and what I buy I want to use
And the argument that I'm not forced to play the events, I buy a game to play it and not the other way around !!!!

lol u mad. look at this dude downvoting all my reasonable posts just because they prove him wrong...

a) PJ said the car classes were tweaked. not the locations 😉

b) my point of "not playing events" was that you can upgrade your My Team cars and make credits by playing career mode. if you don't care about those things there's freeplay and colin mcrae. you can skip a couple of daily challenges and not rage on here about it. it gets boring after a while for us to read your constant tirades.

c) the thing with there being more DLC challenges I have already said I agree with. I've been asking for this for over a year.

calm down a little and think before you write

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Concerning the vehicle classes, I also hope for more UP to 2000CC events

PJ has written that the car classes will be adapted to Manuel, depending on which class is the most popular. Personally, I think this is a mistake, because you can see where this is going:
The cars of the group H2 FWD,B,R2,R5,F2 are driven above average and dominate the day's events......... in the monthly and weekly events almost only R5,R2 and F2,H2 FWD are driven.
So I also love my H3 and H2 RWD cars and others
I stick to my opinion 8 DLCs and 8 base game events should be there

Oh yes, one more PJ is the opinion that the R2 and R5 are easy to drive that may be but I can only give everyone the tip to also drive the cars that are difficult to control H2RWD or H3 RWD just as an example.
I always had problems with the Ford Escort MK2 (H2RWD) and never drove it much but then I tried it out more often and made adjustments in the setup and see there ---> more and more often in winning class 2.
Conclusion : it is worth trying the cars that are difficult to drive

 

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And once again the events ........
At the weekly events we have New England three times ..... without words
And another up to 2000cc event in Argentina like last week ......
I'm the same with the vehicle classes, but especially with the others there has to be more variety.
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