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@BarryBL Today it was announced that Dirt 5 will be codemasters first next gen game for PS5 and Xbox series X and will rereleased in October. Will F1 2020 be enhanced for the new next gen consoles?

It seems strange that the biggest codemasters game, F1 2020,  that only releases two months earlier than Dirt 5 will not be next gen enhanced? Will the team be bringing the enhancements for F1 2020, especially considering how Dirt 5 already looks with the promised enhancements. It would be a major misfire not to have codemasters main top title F1 2020 enhanced on the next gen consoles, even f1 2017 was enhanced for Xbox one X when it released at the time.

 

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I'm guessing they'll save the first next-gen game to run on a new/updated engine as they did with 2015. They've probably been developing the new Dirt for a while longer with no obligation to release a new game every year. We can probably expect F1 2021 to be a bigger change and to be built from scratch for the new platforms, fingers crossed they won't repeat the same mistakes and have a fully fledged game ready for the first iteration unlike '15.

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The technical jargon is about the same for this gen console & the nextgen consoles. Only processing power is better.

The footage is rendered via engine, so you won't get all that fidelity in the picture quality. Although the difference in the end product will be minimal as usual. It will look more or less the same as GRID 2019 for the average joe.

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I wouldn't call F1 2020 the biggest Codemasters game... Codies were known for GRID and DIRT before Codemasters Birmingham (the F1 studio) even existed!

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7 hours ago, UP100 said:

I wouldn't call F1 2020 the biggest Codemasters game... Codies were known for GRID and DIRT before Codemasters Birmingham (the F1 studio) even existed!

That's true. It was mostly their successes with those games which helped them get the f1 license if I'm right?

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I feel F1 2020 could potentially get an enhanced patch to make more use of the next gen consoles later in the year but of course it isn’t guaranteed. Worse case scenario both the new consoles are backwards compatible so we’ll still be able to play the game on the new hardware.
 

I fully expect F1 2021 to be a lot more focussed on making more use of what the next gen consoles are capable of but not sure whether it would require a whole new engine like F1 2015 did, but I guess only the developers themselves can answer that.  
 

I guess one question is whether F1 2021 (if they went for a June release next year) will also be available on PS4 and Xbox One, or strictly next gen only. 

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9 hours ago, stephensmattlee said:

I feel F1 2020 could potentially get an enhanced patch to make more use of the next gen consoles later in the year but of course it isn’t guaranteed. Worse case scenario both the new consoles are backwards compatible so we’ll still be able to play the game on the new hardware.
 

I fully expect F1 2021 to be a lot more focussed on making more use of what the next gen consoles are capable of but not sure whether it would require a whole new engine like F1 2015 did, but I guess only the developers themselves can answer that.  
 

I guess one question is whether F1 2021 (if they went for a June release next year) will also be available on PS4 and Xbox One, or strictly next gen only. 

More than likely I imagine it will be the same as the last time. PS4 and Xbox one came out in Xmas 2013 the last game for PS3 Xbox 360 was F1 '14.  F1 2015 was the first for that (xbox one PS4) generation. We'll probably see F1 2022 to be the first game on the new gen. Makes sense as the new rules will be introduced by then       

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But is Dirt 5 on a "new gen" game engine, specifically tailored for the next gen consoles?

 

I personally hope that F1 2021 will not be a next gen exclusive with the newest game engine, but that F1 2022 will be the title to get the treat. As 2022 will be the year where F1 is going to move to another era of racing, and why not cherish that moment with a high quality product? Imo, this would allow for more development time to fix and iron out the "new gen" game engine and to get valuable feedback and help from Slightly Mad Studios. Maybe this way Codemasters could possibly make their game engine more complex and realistic, in terms of physics and handling.

 

Whatever happens, hopefully Slightly Mad Studio gets to cooperate more closely to the development of the newest game engine.

 

(Maybe Codemasters even simply takes over the Madness engine, to be the new inhouse software to work with for all departments, similarly to EA and the Frostbite engine etc.?!)

https://www.slightlymadstudios.com/madness/

 

PS: SMS also already has multiple assets to laserscanned tracks and give the players the ability to use VR, why not make use of it?

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheEmpireWasRight said:

But is Dirt 5 on a "new gen" game engine, specifically tailored for the next gen consoles?

 

I personally hope that F1 2021 will not be a next gen exclusive with the newest game engine, but that F1 2022 will be the title to get the treat. As 2022 will be the year where F1 is going to move to another era of racing, and why not cherish that moment with a high quality product? Imo, this would allow for more development time to fix and iron out the "new gen" game engine and to get valuable feedback and help from Slightly Mad Studios. Maybe this way Codemasters could possibly make their game engine more complex and realistic, in terms of physics and handling.

 

Whatever happens, hopefully Slightly Mad Studio gets to cooperate more closely to the development of the newest game engine.

 

(Maybe Codemasters even simply takes over the Madness engine, to be the new inhouse software to work with for all departments, similarly to EA and the Frostbite engine etc.?!)

https://www.slightlymadstudios.com/madness/

 

PS: SMS also already has multiple assets to laserscanned tracks and give the players the ability to use VR, why not make use of it?

 

 

SMS is an incredible legacy for Codemasters. Reading the article there are a myriad of details that make the difference, just to name one the live track 3.0. Laser scanner of the tracks, Codemasters should read that article and immediately make a fision with the SMS programmers. Crazy games can come out with the new consoles. F1 2021 or 2022 with a new graphic layout, simulation physics, real-time update of the track change, dynamic weather done properly, new laser scanner damage system. This is a long-term investment that can bring the game of f1 to a level and quality never seen before. We count on you, you have everything you need to do all this. It is what we Need. @UP100

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2 hours ago, mikyesposto95 said:

SMS is an incredible legacy for Codemasters. Reading the article there are a myriad of details that make the difference, just to name one the live track 3.0. Laser scanner of the tracks, Codemasters should read that article and immediately make a fision with the SMS programmers. Crazy games can come out with the new consoles. F1 2021 or 2022 with a new graphic layout, simulation physics, real-time update of the track change, dynamic weather done properly, new laser scanner damage system. This is a long-term investment that can bring the game of f1 to a level and quality never seen before. We count on you, you have everything you need to do all this. It is what we Need. @UP100

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This is a good point. Will we get any clarification on this @BarryBL?

 

Next gen consoles are so much more powerful so maybe it’ll be possible to get the same graphical fidelity as PC and perhaps run on ultra settings?

Normally you’re really good at replying so your silence could perhaps mean something… haha 🙂

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On 5/8/2020 at 1:36 PM, stephensmattlee said:

I feel F1 2020 could potentially get an enhanced patch to make more use of the next gen consoles later in the year but of course it isn’t guaranteed. Worse case scenario both the new consoles are backwards compatible so we’ll still be able to play the game on the new hardware.
 

I fully expect F1 2021 to be a lot more focussed on making more use of what the next gen consoles are capable of but not sure whether it would require a whole new engine like F1 2015 did, but I guess only the developers themselves can answer that.  
 

I guess one question is whether F1 2021 (if they went for a June release next year) will also be available on PS4 and Xbox One, or strictly next gen only. 

That's the thing, most companies that are doing "Next-Gen Updates" don't work on a yearly release schedule. 

Dirt isn't an yearly release title as well.

 

For F1 patching it for Next Gen will eat into F1 2021 development.

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2 hours ago, LChaves01 said:

That's the thing, most companies that are doing "Next-Gen Updates" don't work on a yearly release schedule. 

Dirt isn't an yearly release title as well.

 

For F1 patching it for Next Gen will eat into F1 2021 development.

I think given that this week we’ve learnt that a lot of the PS5 games will also be coming out for PS4, as well as Microsoft supporting the previous gen for the next two years, I don’t think much will change for next year.  Given the similarities architecturally between the current and next gen I think we’ll still see releases on the current gen alongside releases for next gen with more enhanced graphics and framerates, much like we’re seeing with Dirt 5.  
 

In one way for Codemasters it avoids the issues they had last time around with the transition to the current gen, plus they won’t miss out on sales whilst more and more people pick up next gen consoles.  It probably won’t be a while until we see them making full use of the next gen power exclusively but I’m sure the games will still look a lot better on PS5 and Xbox Series despite being held back by still being supported on current gen too. 

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On 9/18/2020 at 12:06 PM, stephensmattlee said:

I think given that this week we’ve learnt that a lot of the PS5 games will also be coming out for PS4, as well as Microsoft supporting the previous gen for the next two years, I don’t think much will change for next year.  Given the similarities architecturally between the current and next gen I think we’ll still see releases on the current gen alongside releases for next gen with more enhanced graphics and framerates, much like we’re seeing with Dirt 5.  
 

In one way for Codemasters it avoids the issues they had last time around with the transition to the current gen, plus they won’t miss out on sales whilst more and more people pick up next gen consoles.  It probably won’t be a while until we see them making full use of the next gen power exclusively but I’m sure the games will still look a lot better on PS5 and Xbox Series despite being held back by still being supported on current gen too. 

Yeah I think the gaming industry will fin the transition easier this time given that both the Xbox series and PS5 are both backwards compatible with current gen that wasn't necessarily the case from PS3/360 to XB1 and PS4. Which is why a lot of issues occured there like F1 2015 lacking a career mode the PS3 missing half of Dragon Age Inquisition's DLC things like that which all the more modern consoles got.

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Can really recommend watching Digital Foundry’s video interview as part of EGX about the technical details of Dirt 5 and how Codemasters are looking towards the next gen consoles. Some really interesting technical stuff within that could relate to the F1 series as well.  Well worth a watch if you’re interested in the technical side of things and what goes on behind the scenes....

 

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16 minutes ago, steviejay69 said:

This is a really odd topic. F1 will be primarily for XB1/PS4 until the number of Series X/PS5 users outweigh them.

Until then, it'll be playable on the new consoles by compatibility only I should think.

Very true and in the interview above they did pretty much allude to the same answer. Seems to be a lot easier to scale the games depending on the system for the new consoles where as before they had to commit to transitioning and supporting the new gen only due to how different the system architecture was from PS3 to PS4. 

Codemasters won’t want to cut off a huge amount of their player base by abandoning the PS4 and Xbox One players anytime soon so they don’t lose out on potential sales, like you say, at least until enough people have upgraded to next gen consoles in the future.  
 

Will still be curious to see how much better F1 games look running on next gen but I guess we’ll have to wait and see comparisons when they release dedicated versions later down the road.  I’m in no rush to grab a PS5 at the moment, at least not until GT7 arrives or there’s more racing games released on the system.

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