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8 hours ago, Worntoathread said:

You eventually unlock the items by leveling up XP, you don't need to spend Pitcoins on them at all. You can, but that's entirely optional to unlock them sooner. If you level up, you'll unlock all that stuff and can spend the Pitcoins on the next season pass to unlock everything else. It's a good and fair system.

That's not true.

The items in the Item-Shop, wich you can only get with Pitcoins, are not the same as those in the VIP-Pass.
You can't get these through just leveling.
And you don't get enough Pitcoins through Pre-Order/VIP-Pass to get everything.

It's just another full price game with loads of customization items behind a paywall.
In a game wich costed me 80€ I can't get everything, because Codemasters wants more money.
How much is enough?

Disgusting.

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2 minutes ago, UnderclassGDfan said:

That's not true.

The items in the Item-Shop, wich you can only get with Pitcoins, are not the same as those in the VIP-Pass.
You can't get these through just leveling.
And you don't get enough Pitcoins through Pre-Order/VIP-Pass to get everything.

It's just another full price game with loads of customization items behind a paywall.
In a game wich costed me 80€ I can't get everything, because Codemasters wants more money.
How much is enough?

Disgusting.

I thought @BarryBL said somewhere that all items are (eventually) unlockable by just playing. If that's not the case than I stand corrected. 

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22 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

Untrue @UnderclassGDfan

We have designed the Podium Pass with this exactly in mind. If you reach Level 30, you receive enough Pitcoin back (with change) to buy the next season as well as earn all the extra stuff. Maths:

  • Price Of VIP: 9k.
  • Pitcoin earned if you get to Level 29 of the Podium Pass: 10k.
  • Amount of Pitcoin given to you at the start of the game with Pre-Order: 15k.

So, you could (and should) use 9k of the Pre-order money to enable the VIP pass to start grinding the pass. You then have 6k to buy extra stuff, or save for top ups at the end of Season 1 to complete it, earning you the VC for Season 2. The bolded text in the quote is somewhat true, but is also the same as all over 'Pass' systems. Fortnite is the best example. My final point, these customisation options do NOT improve your performance and are optional and visual. You can choose not to interact with them or not and your game performance will be the same. Remember, Seasons run in cycles and stuff for Season 2/3 etc are not confirmed yet.

It would be illogical to simply give away all of Season 1's content, without challenging the player to interact with the game and earn the tiers. Would defeat the whole object of the pass being used to encourage players to complete challenges and earn levels.

I do the same with Fortnite. I'm not the best player, but I use my coins in a way where I can save and buy the Battle Pass, or work out how quickly I can get it so I can choose when to spend money. Should I really, really want something, I may get it. Supply and Demand. To be honest, I normally don't but when I do, I don't want everyone having it because I chose to buy it. But I also would get a lot of stuff for simply playing, which is fair.

Good post @BarryBL, now about those pitcoins that we're missing so we can't purchase the VIP pass...

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21 minutes ago, CarloLewis said:

Good post @BarryBL

No, it wasn't a good post. Barry highlighted in bold, part of the post from UnderclassGDfan saying it is untrue. Then he either completely misunderstood or just decided to talk about the pass instead. 

The item shop does contain cosmetics that are NOT in the podium pass. 

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Just now, Tay said:

No, it wasn't a good post. Barry highlighted in bold, part of the post from UnderclassGDfan saying it is untrue. Then he either completely misunderstood or just decided to talk about the pass instead. 

The item shop does contain cosmetics that are NOT in the podium pass. 

That are not in podium pass THIS SEASON!

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15 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

Untrue @UnderclassGDfan

 

Why do you say "untrue", if I am right?
I CAN'T GET EVERY ******* ITEM IN THIS GAME! PERIOD!

Don't try to fool the people!

16 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

We have designed the Podium Pass with this exactly in mind. If you reach Level 30, you receive enough Pitcoin back (with change) to buy the next season as well as earn all the extra stuff. Maths:

  • Price Of VIP: 9k.
  • Pitcoin earned if you get to Level 29 of the Podium Pass: 10k.
  • Amount of Pitcoin given to you at the start of the game with Pre-Order: 15k.

That wasn't my point and I got that before you explained that.
BUT you guys could raise the price of the VIP-Pass for future seasons. Who knows?

And you have to play the game quite much on a regular basis for probably the whole year, to get every item.
It's not like there are other games out there.
Every Developer tries now to "catch" the players, so they only play there game.

How many different games can someone play, if every single one of them has some sort of "season pass"?

18 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

The bolded text in the quote is somewhat true, but is also the same as all over 'Pass' systems. Fortnite is the best example.

I hate Fortnite for this.
I hate this game because every Developer out there thinks now he needs to copy this system.

Why do every game needs stu*** emotes now?
Wich F1 driver would do a "Boogie" on the podium?
Do you think this is funny? Kids may find that funny, the typical Fortnite-Kid, with 0 sense for humor.

26 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

My final point, these customisation options do NOT improve your performance and are optional and visual. You can choose not to interact with them or not and your game performance will be the same. Remember, Seasons run in cycles and stuff for Season 2/3 etc are not confirmed yet.

Doesn't matter.
For a completionist like me, modern gaming times are absolutely horrible.

There is no way to disable those disgusting emotes in MP for example.
There no way around those customisation items.
And thats the plan. Show others what they don't have, so they want them, too!

Same as Forza Horizon 4. I try to ignore this absolutely stu*** customisation bs, but you always see them by others.
There is no way around it.

38 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

It would be illogical to simply give away all of Season 1's content, without challenging the player to interact with the game and earn the tiers. Would defeat the whole object of the pass being used to encourage players to complete challenges and earn levels.

The VIP-Pass is not the point.
You can get it without paying, you can go through the tasks and get level 30 and all the items within it.
Ok.
I still hate the time-limited season based system, because you either are constantly under pressure to unlock all items in a limited time...or pay for it.

And if you play more than this single one game with such a system and you want everything, because you are a completionist: NO CHANCE.

44 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

I do the same with Fortnite. I'm not the best player, but I use my coins in a way where I can save and buy the Battle Pass, or work out how quickly I can get it so I can choose when to spend money. Should I really, really want something, I may get it. Supply and Demand. To be honest, I normally don't but when I do, I don't want everyone having it because I chose to buy it. But I also would get a lot of stuff for simply playing, which is fair.

Don't you see, in wich direction all this leads to?
Customisations are getting some sort of prestige object, a (very often overpriced) digital item. Useless, often annoyingly childish to get attention.

And I repeat it once again: You can't get every item without paying with Pitcoins, because of the Item-Shop.
The remaining 6000 Pitcoins I have after buying the VIP-Pass are not enough for all the Items, not even close probably.
There is NO WAY to get these Items through gameplay!

This game really makes me angry at the moment.

It constantly crashes in time trial if I improve my time.
I didn't got points in the weekly event, despite going till the end.
It constantly showing me, it connects to online services.
Some classic cars got removed, the only part of the game I really like.
The classic cars sound bug from F1 2019 is still there.

And now Codemasters transitions this series into Formula Fortnite.

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9 minutes ago, UnderclassGDfan said:

Why do you say "untrue", if I am right?
I CAN'T GET EVERY ******* ITEM IN THIS GAME! PERIOD!

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And you have to play the game quite much on a regular basis for probably the whole year, to get every item.
It's not like there are other games out there.

[...]

Why do every game needs stu*** emotes now?
Wich F1 driver would do a "Boogie" on the podium?
Do you think this is funny? Kids may find that funny, the typical Fortnite-Kid, with 0 sense for humor.

[...]

For a completionist like me, modern gaming times are absolutely horrible.

[...]


There is no way to disable those disgusting emotes in MP for example.

[...]

And thats the plan. Show others what they don't have, so they want them, too!

[...]

And if you play more than this single one game with such a system and you want everything, because you are a completionist: NO CHANCE.

Now I'm confused.

You want every freaking possible item in the game, from the atrocious USA flag inspired livery to whatever helmet Stuart Little & Co. would wear, but you are not the kind of gamer that solely plays F1.

You want every freaking possible item in the game but you can't stand the existence of a Boogie podium emote.

You are a completionist gamer that does not have much free time to play.

And you're kind political sympathetic to anti-consumerism stands like not displaying ads for people with no money/interest in acquiring those products – i.e. emotes on MP matches.

I'm confused. For real.

The way I see it, with hypothetical numbers just to get the message across, on previous games you got 10 cosmetics in a sandbox experience to play casually every other weekend. Now you can have 100 cosmetics for the whole lifespan of the game if either (1) you like the game enough to just keep on playing consistently and get them all (or all those that matters anyway) organically or (2) you are so enamored by a given cosmetic that you feel like dishing out 1/10 of the in-game currency you got for free from the get go. But that is not cool, because... You want it all without playing that much?

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I'm confused too.. 

Yes I'm missing my pre order coins 

Yes there's bugs

I bought coins and ice completed to level 30 that's my choice 

But get off your high horse no one is asking you to purchase anything, and for bugs etc @BarryBLand the whole codemasters team working hard to put this all right. What's complaining and whinging going to achieve.

So last from me thanks @BarryBLand codemasters keep up good work and all will come good in the end 

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11 minutes ago, marioho said:

Now I'm confused.

You want every freaking possible item in the game, from the atrocious USA flag inspired livery to whatever helmet Stuart Little & Co. would wear, but you are not the kind of gamer that solely plays F1.

You want every freaking possible item in the game but you can't stand the existence of a Boogie podium emote.

You are a completionist gamer that does not have much free time to play.

And you're kind political sympathetic to anti-consumerism stands like not displaying ads for people with no money/interest in acquiring those products – i.e. emotes on MP matches.

I'm confused. For real.

The way I see it, with hypothetical numbers just to get the message across, on previous games you got 10 cosmetics in a sandbox experience to play casually every other weekend. Now you can have 100 cosmetics for the whole lifespan of the game if either (1) you like the game enough to just keep on playing consistently and get them all (or all those that matters anyway) organically or (2) you are so enamored by a given cosmetic that you feel like dishing out 1/10 of the in-game currency you got for free from the get go. But that is not cool, because... You want it all without playing that much?

Man, you beat me to it and put it much better than I ever could!

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This is Codemasters. It is not EA nor Activision with the a Mariana Trench-deep pockets. We got a new game mode that is already good and has potential to get even better on next iterations. We got a better handling system and better AI. I can't think of another F1 simulator-esque game that provides a tenth of the F1 experience that this game provides.

Codemasters is no small team by any stretch of the imagination indeed, but they look like the kind of company that could use extra revenue to revamp their franchise. And so far they've chosen to do so with cosmetics microtransactions that run parallel to a grindwall. If F1 2021 offers a comparable improvement to that of F1 2019 > F1 2020, I'm more than happy with their business model and I'll reap the benefits without ever having to dish out a single extra dime, as I don't freaking need to buy anything.

If you don't like it, whatever, mate. It is your time, your money and your choice of entertainment. But a chunk of this complains sound much like entitlement to me.

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Fortnite which I never played and Dead By Daylight which I play from time to time are similar with this type of game pass gimmick. Those games are online only and kids love to show off their barbie cosmetics.  Thank god I like to play F12020 with the original traditional "real" livery and have no need for those ugly season pass liveries and cosmetics...gross!  The My Team feature IMO is meh and underwhelming and I can live with the default cars/livery cosmetics you start with so I just ignore the season pass feature.  You really don't need it for this type of game unless you love to show off those disgusting liveries, colors, and player cosmetics  for when you play online.  For me I really don't care what the cars look like.  You don't see it anyway when you are inside the car!  Also, look for cheap deals online..I paid $40 for the Shumi Ed.

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@BarryBL a genuine question re VIP pass. Let's say that I haven't been able to purchase VIP yet due to some missing coins. I've progressed to level 5 of the free tier, when I purchase VIP, will that unlock all the items that I would've earned?

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1 minute ago, marioho said:

You want every freaking possible item in the game, from the atrocious USA flag inspired livery to whatever helmet Stuart Little & Co. would wear, but you are not the kind of gamer that solely plays F1.

Yes.
I'm a completionist, who wants everything in a game. Everything.
I bought the Schumacher Deluxe Edition to have everything, at least I thought that.

It doesn't really matter what specific Item I miss, it still gives me the feeling of a incomplete game.
I come from a gaming time, were you got Items through gameplay only. You unlocked them, whenever you wanted to!
Now everything is time-limited. "Get them while you can or miss out!" is the new thing, it seems.

6 minutes ago, marioho said:

but you are not the kind of gamer that solely plays F1.

Should that matter?
Should I really focus my attention to one single game only, just to get everything? Really?
I mean, those seasons are always available for a limited time and the Items in them are gone after that, if it works like in other games with such systems like Destiny 2 for example.

If there would at least a system in place, were you could pay a specific low price to get ALL limited time Items, if you missed a season.
But this will not happen, because that kills the chance for whales. Look at the store: 35€ for 50000 Pitcoins. Ridiculous.

And I have quite much time to play, but even this time is limited.
I just can't play 3-4 games with such systems at the same time and get everything, impossible.

 

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16 minutes ago, CarloLewis said:

@BarryBL a genuine question re VIP pass. Let's say that I haven't been able to purchase VIP yet due to some missing coins. I've progressed to level 5 of the free tier, when I purchase VIP, will that unlock all the items that I would've earned?

Yes, it's retroactively.
It says it in the help menu within the game.

20 minutes ago, marioho said:

This is Codemasters. It is not EA nor Activision with the a Mariana Trench-deep pockets.

No difference, company is a company.
They are here to make profit, that's all.
If it is EA or Codemasters doesn't make much difference to me.
Especially not, if they all do the same consumer unfriendly strategy.
But I get it guys, the younger generation of gamers don't care to have F2P mechanics in full price games.

Not against the developers themselves of course, they do what they get told to do.

 

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16 minutes ago, UnderclassGDfan said:

Should that matter?
Should I really focus my attention to one single game only, just to get everything? Really?

It obviously does not, mate. That is the whole point, actually. No beating around the bush: you're coming here with a litany of contradictory statements – maybe this point from my previous post flew by – in an harsh tone that is totally uncalled for to demand for a system that fit perfectly to your tastes. All the while suggesting a relationship to gaming that, to be frank, does not seem healthy at all. 

I seriously don't know what else to say, pal. Are you missing the silly moonwalking emote from this week's rotation? I'd even consider gifting it for you just to ease off that amped up anger.

I feel sorry for Barry and other community managers. People sometimes can exude negativity that may cloud their perception from other important stuff – and I say that without meaning to downplay the fairness of a MTX model. It is just that F1 2020 seems to be the best entry in the history of this franchise, it gets (way) more things right than missteps, makes me feel immersed in the sport and is providing me hours of entertainment with content and features that I did not have on previous games.

Meanwhile there are people saying that they like what has been done to the AI, they like how they improved the handling model and they like My Team, but they won't buy the game because trees look worse than last year! Again, I'm in no position to say how you should spend your money and free time, but those things don't sound reasonable at all.

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I don’t care for the micro transactions really either way. What I do not like is the minimal liveries, helmets and badges we were given. And so far nothing in podium pass remotely looked worth getting. 

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I would be ok with it, but the basic stuff available (without purchase) is very limited and the PitCoin earning rate is low. And *** is that VIP division, just design to makes things more confusing.

It's Star Wars Battlefront 2 all over again. They are adding loot boxes next, and buy your card pack to have a chance to hire your favorite driver as teammate.

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6 minutes ago, marioho said:

It obviously does not, mate. That is the whole point, actually. No beating around the bush: you're coming here with a litany of contradictory statements – maybe this point from my previous post flew by – in an harsh tone that is totally uncalled for to demand for a system that fit perfectly to your tastes. All the while suggesting a relationship to gaming that, to be frank, does not seem healthy at all. 

 

 

My main problem is just that all games turn into service games more or less.
And I don't like that, combining the issues this game has, I'm just quite angry at the moment.

I like to complete my games I buy, don't see what's unhealthy with that.

14 minutes ago, marioho said:

I seriously don't know what else to say, pal. Are you missing the silly moonwalking emote from this week's rotation? I'd even consider gifting it for you just to ease off that amped up anger.

No, like I said, I don't care for a specific Item.
If I could disable this feature completely, I would do it.
But like I said, it still shows you silly emotes in MP from others.
It also takes away some sort of immersion for me.
It's just there to please the Fortnite-Kids.

19 minutes ago, marioho said:

I feel sorry for Barry and other community managers. People sometimes can exude negativity that may cloud their perception from other important stuff – and I say that without meaning to downplay the fairness of a MTX model.

Ah come on!
I don't have any problem with him.

And who are you to say whats important and what not?
(Sounds rude, but I don't know how to say that more friendly, sorry.)

25 minutes ago, marioho said:

It is just that F1 2020 seems to be the best entry in the history of this franchise, it gets (way) more things right than missteps, makes me feel immersed in the sport and is providing me hours of entertainment with content and features that I did not have on previous games.

Meanwhile there are people saying that they like what has been done to the AI, they like how they improved the handling model and they like My Team, but they won't buy the game because trees look worse than last year! Again, I'm in no position to say how you should spend your money and free time, but those things don't sound reasonable at all.

Wish I could see more the positive on the game like you.
But everytime I start to have fun with this game, some bs happens from the things I listed in one of the previous posts.

I just wanna do time trials with classic cars, really.

But to be fair: I see the huge potential in this game and the content overload.
If they put the time and effort in this game to fix the issues like the DiRT Rally-Team did in DR 2.0, the game will be fantastic at some point.
Ignoring the whole Podium Pass/Cosmetics-thing.

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8 minutes ago, UnderclassGDfan said:

And who are you to say whats important and what not?
(Sounds rude, but I don't know how to say that more friendly, sorry.)

I'm a player, same as you. You do realize that this rhetoric goes both ways, right? If I'm no one to say that new game modes, new features like drivers market, handling model, AI, sound design, steady 60 FPS performance are more important than unlockable cosmetics and tree assets, then you're unjustifiably complaining about MTX. We are on the same grounds, mate.

12 minutes ago, UnderclassGDfan said:

But to be fair: I see the huge potential in this game and the content overload.
If they put the time and effort in this game to fix the issues like the DiRT Rally-Team did in DR 2.0, the game will be fantastic at some point

Now that I did not see coming. That is great to hear, we're on the same boat. 

And If I'm allowed to chime in with my personal view, given that the game was only on early access since Tuesday and was released only yesterday, I'm ok optimistic. Did Codemasters ever let game breaking bugs pass by on a whole game cycle?

And it is not like everything is okay in the world too. We're in the middle of a pandemic, home officeing our backsides off to make ends meet.   

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5 minutes ago, marioho said:

I'm a player, same as you. You do realize that this rhetoric goes both ways, right? If I'm no one to say that new game modes, new features like drivers market, handling model, AI, sound design, steady 60 FPS performance are more important than unlockable cosmetics and tree assets, then you're unjustifiably complaining about MTX. We are on the same grounds, mate. 

That's fair.
And I don't get what's up with the tree thing.
Despite I'm owning all Codemasters racing games on X-Box 360 and X-Box One (except GRiD from last year), I didn't played the last 4 F1 games much.
Not sure what improved and what not, so can't say much on that end.

10 minutes ago, marioho said:

Did Codemasters ever let game breaking bugs pass by on a whole game cycle?

Game braking? Hm, probably not. I don't know of a single one.
But I'm still p***** of the broken achievement in Race Driver: GRiD (2008 one).
But that probably doesn't count as game breaking.

13 minutes ago, marioho said:

And it is not like everything is okay in the world too. We're in the middle of a pandemic, home officeing our backsides off to make ends meet.   

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The number one excuse these days ^^
Just waited for that.
They could have pushed the game back.
But I think most problems at the moment are related to online functionality, so that wouldn't have helped.

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As long as it's not possible to pay for better performance I really don't care. Helmets, liveries and such things are of no interest to me in a game. When the day comes and the game becomes pay to win then I'm out for good.

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Sadly this practice isn't going anywhere because for as long as a few people buy into it and enough people don't buy the game because it happens, it's going to make them a net profit which is all almost anyone who makes these decisions cares about. May be less true of Codemasters, but it's generally true of the video game industry in general.

The idea of having free to play style micro transactions in a full priced game is extremely rude. Codemasters is far from the biggest offender and it's only cosmetic for now, but really I die a little inside when people just 'accept' nonsense like this because how long before we get full blown up free to play style mechanics in full priced games? It's already happened in some cases. 

So no, I have no patience for excuses like. 'You can earn it through playing and things sometimes have to be earned in games' and 'It's just there to speed things up' or 'it's optional' and 'It's only cosmetic' which the latter is an argument I used to go for but now that is being abused and it's a slippery slope and history has proven this time and time again. 

Here's the thing. If 'playing the game' to earn something is undesirable and thus you want to 'speed things up' something is wrong, you shouldn't want to 'speed it up', it means that the game is made deliberately grindy to encourage you to open your wallet. Games that traditionally allowed players to unlock stuff had a very clear path on how to do it and you could usually beeline to what you wanted and there isn't a time limit on it either. This is not true in games with a 'buy coins to do x' system. There's usually one way or another they want to trick people into paying for something that they didn't have to pay for before. In this case it's blatantly obvious because some of this content was available in 2019.   

The real funny thing? In this case, on a personal level I don't even care. I'm not hard to please when it comes to cosmetics on the most part. 

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EA really screwed over the entire industry. I understand the sentiment of players who hate Podium Pass. They probably only see a loot box instead of the fun mechanism to unlock prizes that is podium pass.

I do agree with them till up to a degree. There are companies out there that just want our money and will do anything or should I say nothing to get that money. This creates people who don't trust anything anymore. But you don't have to take this up with developers themselves, you should take this up with lawmakers. I had a look at the podium pass and to me it looked exactly like Barry explained. Unfortunately at launch there were no Pitcoins available for purchase in my country. This raised alarm bells with me because they were available in other countries. In my country there is a law against lootboxes. You can't just rob people's money in my country. A few hours later the pitcoins became available in my country so this game does not contain lootboxes.

So instead of fuming on forums you should be fuming with lawmakers. They are not protecting you. Because you are right, companies that just steal your money do exist and they ruin it for everyone who wants to make an 'honest" product. Podium Pass is not like some describe a cash grab. It's a grinding system. That is what you should be arguing about not about companies stealing your money because this not such a product.

 

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20 hours ago, Nightfire1964 said:

I think on some levels there are pitcoins for people who don't have vip pass

I agree

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