by design Started My Team with Ferrari Engine performance is worse than the rest of the Ferrari cars

[blackbillymayes 1]

1.       A detailed description of the issue. Please include any error codes here. I started the My Team career with Ferrari engines, before i started advancing time the engine stat was worse than Williams

2.       Platform Xbox One
3.       What version of the game you are using (Shown on the start screen in the bottom left corner of the screen) 1.02
4.       Game-mode? My Team
5.       What are your replication numbers? Minimum test attempts are 4. Please also add EXACT replication steps for us to try too. 5 attempts
6.       What troubleshooting have you attempted? Please always try to attempt to fix the issue Restarted My Team, and the Game
7.       What peripherals are you are using (gamepad, wheel make & model etc) Xbox one controller

[veyronfan 8]

hhmmmm. If thats the engine performance chart literally as it is when you very first start the My Team mode then that is a bit odd. You would think that if you didn't answer any interview questions to give your engine R&D some already installed upgrades, that the engine would be a stock Ferrari unit like all the others. 

Maybe they are trying to say that if you answered all the questions to boost your engine department, it would be on par with the others?

I think personally all the engines should be slightly apart on the chart at race 1, so Ferrari units all occupying the top but not all equal. Because from pre season testing to race 1, teams would have theoretically had time to get some upgrades on the unit. Hell even in the game we know that you can chuck on a load of R&D things after the last race with any points you have left and they will be done by race 1 the following season. So why couldn't Haas, Ferrari and Alfa have done some upgrades from 2019? The game even let's YOU get some upgrades on before race 1 by giving certain answers in interviews.

[BarryBL 4,319]

By Design here. I'll add photos below as proof. The reasons for this are that some upgrades already fitted to your car as based on the answers you gave with Will Buxton at the starting interview. You CAN answer only Power unit, pick Ferrari and have the best engine (just) on the grid. 

So the base stats across engines are the same, just the initial answers you give (where you focus on other areas) can lead you to having a marginal disadvantage. If we didn't do this, you could have comfortably the best engine at the start of the season, even better than the manufacturer who made it. In the current design you are, at absolute best, marginally better (which I believe is the fuel efficiency answer here, so not raw power)

In theory, being the 11th car on the grid, you should have a slightly worse power unit than established teams and the team that makes it as you would, theoretically, be learning the new car and engine package. Not in the game, but makes sense. The other way as earlier described would be much more unrealistic.

[MeduSalem 22]

1 hour ago, BarryBL said:

So the base stats across engines are the same [...]

Not entirely true though. The engine stats from the engine selection screen definitely make a little bit of a difference.

Because the past 2 days (while waiting for a bug fix on my actual main career) I started 2 additional careers to have a look at the difference between Mercedes and Ferrari engines. After racing one 25% race with each set of engine components (so basically 3 races per career) the Ferrari engine definitely has a higher durability... because it has 1-2% less wear per engine after the same amount of practice/qualifying/race laps than the Mercedes engine.

With Mercedes I get around 12-13% wear after each race. With Ferrari I got only 10-11% wear for the same races. At the end of the season that will definitely make a difference because with Mercedes you end up having like 80%-90% wear on each engine with 7-8 races... while with Ferrari you have 70-80% and might actually make it without ordering an additional set of components if you also invest something in durability for the other components (like MGU-H&K and Battery which have the worse wear than the engine in my opinion) early on. (That said I would probably still order an additional set of parts even with Ferrari somewhere around Belgium/Russia just to be sure I get no bad surprises during any of the last few races on the calendar)

On top of that the Ferrari engine is faster (even though I don't notice the higher speed much because I don't keep lap times... my 2nd driver actually almost makes it to Q2 instead of battling with the Williams so there must be a difference) and gave my team a much higher starting rating (picked all the same starting answers for the aero/durability/chassis departments for questions except that I picked Alpha Tauri as my target for the Ferrari career instead of Haas in the Mercedes career but I doubt that that makes a difference on how powerful you start out on but rather that you get more acclaim if you actually really manage to beat them)

Anyway if the durability is already that noticeable with Ferrari/Mercedes I don't want to know how ugly they are with Honda/Renault. Probably you have to order 2 additional new sets of components during each season because the engines are wrecked after 4-5 races and you are much slower too. Doesn't really give me any motivation to even try starting a career with them. Better invest the money in Merc/Ferrari engine even if you get a bad 2nd driver and then switch for Aitken or De Vriews Midseason.

Edited July 14 by MeduSalem

[BarryBL 4,319]

By the quote "So the base stats across engines are the same" I meant that the base stats for the engine supplier would be the same for those teams. e.g. Haas, Alfa Romeo having the same base engine stats as they both have Ferrari engines. Same as Alpha Tauri and Red Bull being Honda supplied. Ferrari vs Honda suppliers will of course have different stats as different engine

[MeduSalem 22]

10 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

By the quote "So the base stats across engines are the same" I meant that the base stats for the engine supplier would be the same for those teams. e.g. Haas, Alfa Romeo having the same base engine stats as they both have Ferrari engines. Same as Alpha Tauri and Red Bull being Honda supplied. Ferrari vs Honda suppliers will of course have different stats as different engine

Ah my bad. Guess I misunderstood.

Anyway... different question. Which I kinda don't want to start its own topic on... will there be a rebalancing of the engine supplier strengths?

Because in reality we all have seen the performance of Ferrari lately and with their new engine you can't really place them on top of Mercedes anymore.

[BarryBL 4,319]

Not on topic, but there will be a performance update at some point when we have enough data.

[blackbillymayes 1]

17 minutes ago, BarryBL said:

By the quote "So the base stats across engines are the same" I meant that the base stats for the engine supplier would be the same for those teams. e.g. Haas, Alfa Romeo having the same base engine stats as they both have Ferrari engines. Same as Alpha Tauri and Red Bull being Honda supplied. Ferrari vs Honda suppliers will of course have different stats as different engine

But I had a ferrari engine in my car, and it had the performance of a mercedes @BarryBL

[BarryBL 4,319]

7 minutes ago, blackbillymayes said:

But I had a ferrari engine in my car, and it had the performance of a mercedes @BarryBL

How did you answer your interview questions? If you focused on other areas, then the performance will be different. Can you replicate your issue from a brand new save?

[blackbillymayes 1]

1 minute ago, BarryBL said:

How did you answer your interview questions? If you focused on other areas, then the performance will be different. Can you replicate your issue from a brand new save?

I answered nothing about the engine, does that mean that the other constructors have developed the 2020 engine before you?

[BarryBL 4,319]

11 minutes ago, blackbillymayes said:

I answered nothing about the engine, does that mean that the other constructors have developed the 2020 engine before you?

In theory, being the 11th car on the grid, you should have a slightly worse power unit than established teams and that engine supplier as, theoretically, you would be learning the new car and engine package. Not in the game, but makes sense. The other way as earlier described would be much more unrealistic. 

Our other alternative is adding the base engine the same as other Ferrari supplied cars, and then you can answer questions a certain way so you have a MASSIVE power advantage, and topping the R&D before you even start the season if you answer a certain way, even being better than your supplier before any R&D path. I've checked using your answers (not engine based) and for sure its by design. The alternative would be a very unrealistic starting point.

The very best engine combination at the moment (Ferrari, ALL answers about power) make you top of the standings, but marginally better than Ferrari based on upgrades. If the standard engine was the same to begin with, you'd have such a large advantage at the top of the standings that you would be instantly the best car on power tracks like Bahrain as an early season examples.