DarthValke726 3 Posted July 24 I only ask because one of the proficiency profiles is called professional and it’s making me wonder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SIMRACER123 355 Posted July 24 I would imagine they are on the basis that assists off tend to be faster and i doubt top drivers would run an assist that costs them time especially given most if not all will use T-Cam to give them an advantage visually too rather than opt for a more realistic cockpit view. Even if it's not mandatory, i doubt any of them run with assists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marioho 686 Posted July 24 The rules. Actually useful even for those that don't care about assists but could use some passing etiquette. Did a quick CTRL+F and seems like there are different criteria depending on how you're qualifying, with some modes requiring all assists off and others subtracting from your overall score if you use them. But could find no mention on the handbook nor on the T&C of the tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir_Overtakesalot 199 Posted July 24 At first glance of this post, with no knowledge of the actual rules before viewing the image above, I would have been incredibly surprised if any Assists were allowed. These are the cream of the crop and allowing Assists negates that title. For those of us who play with no Assists, we know just how more difficult it is to not only be quick but to also be consistent. This is why I'm an advocate for much higher Assist bonus scores for those that do not use any Assists in the Weekly Events. Doing this will not only seperate the highly skilled players from the average, but it will also push other players who want that higher spot on the Leaderboard to take the next step and turn off their Assists in a bid to become better without a helping hand. I describe Assist users as average skilled players because once they turn them off and try a race.. It won't go well. I was there. I was fast using Assists but after trying with no Assists, I realized quickly that my skill level was nowhere near the people who used no Assists and had identical or close times on the TT Leaderboard. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USPBauer24 82 Posted July 24 No - they use t-cam. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Costa 128 Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, USPBauer24 said: No - they use t-cam. Ah yes, T-Cam the famous assist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir_Overtakesalot 199 Posted July 24 (edited) LOL, people love to hate on T-Cam. Turn off all Assists and race on T-Cam. You'll find out real quick that the Assists are the actual Assists, and the T-Cam won't help you from locking up or spinning out. It simply provides a better view of the track. That's like saying if you use Cockpit view but you have an 80 inch monitor compared to someone who has a 20 inch monitor. The players tv is an Assist because it provides a better view of the track being much larger and easier to view. Edited July 24 by Mike5500 1 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SIMRACER123 355 Posted July 25 11 hours ago, Mike5500 said: LOL, people love to hate on T-Cam. Turn off all Assists and race on T-Cam. You'll find out real quick that the Assists are the actual Assists, and the T-Cam won't help you from locking up or spinning out. It simply provides a better view of the track. That's like saying if you use Cockpit view but you have an 80 inch monitor compared to someone who has a 20 inch monitor. The players tv is an Assist because it provides a better view of the track being much larger and easier to view. You can't really argue T-Cam is a not a user advantage over Cockpit cam. You either want the closest realistic racing experience or you dont. Turning all the car assists off for a realistic experience but remaining in T-Cam seems counter productive. May as well just leave all assists on. 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir_Overtakesalot 199 Posted July 25 I'm not playing 2020 for realism. I'm playing to compete with the best. So if the best are all using T-cam then so am I because it's a level playing field then. And I've not argued that it is not advantageous over Cockpit cam. I've stated T-cam simply provides a better view of the track which is all it does. It doesn't magically make you fast. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SIMRACER123 355 Posted July 25 28 minutes ago, Mike5500 said: I'm not playing 2020 for realism. I'm playing to compete with the best. So if the best are all using T-cam then so am I because it's a level playing field then. And I've not argued that it is not advantageous over Cockpit cam. I've stated T-cam simply provides a better view of the track which is all it does. It doesn't magically make you fast. So many contradictions i wouldn't even know where to start... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir_Overtakesalot 199 Posted July 25 6 minutes ago, SIMRACER123 said: So many contradictions i wouldn't even know where to start... Where exactly have I contradicted myself? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BelgiumDude 461 Posted July 25 40 minutes ago, Mike5500 said: I'm not playing 2020 for realism. I'm playing to compete with the best. So if the best are all using T-cam then so am I because it's a level playing field then. And I've not argued that it is not advantageous over Cockpit cam. I've stated T-cam simply provides a better view of the track which is all it does. It doesn't magically make you fast. Oh that's why you are so high on the leaderboard. You use T-cam. That's easy. You use "cheats" No just trolling you mate. Play as you wish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir_Overtakesalot 199 Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, BelgiumDude said: Oh that's why you are so high on the leaderboard. You use T-cam. That's easy. You use "cheats" No just trolling you mate. Play as you wish Lol all is good. I put in the Time, straight up ✌ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SIMRACER123 355 Posted July 25 7 minutes ago, Mike5500 said: Where exactly have I contradicted myself? Why do you think the "best" use TCam? Do think it's an extreme coincidence that nobody elects to race in cockpit view. Food for thought. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir_Overtakesalot 199 Posted July 25 Just now, SIMRACER123 said: Why do you think the "best" use TCam? Because it provides a better view of the track as I've said. It doesn't make you fast if you suck. You can't see **** in cockpit cam. That's why a majority use T. I'm still looking for a single contradiction, let alone so many....? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SIMRACER123 355 Posted July 25 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mike5500 said: Because it provides a better view of the track as I've said. It doesn't make you fast if you suck. You can't see **** in cockpit cam. That's why a majority use T. I'm still looking for a single contradiction, let alone so many....? So it hasnt occured to you then that T-Cam is used because your sat higher up and therefore see the corner entry and exit earlier that say someone in cockpit view because as you rightfully point out, they can see sod all in cockpit mode....? Edited July 25 by SIMRACER123 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir_Overtakesalot 199 Posted July 25 1 minute ago, SIMRACER123 said: So it hasnt occured to you that then that T-Cam is used because your sat higher up and therefore see the corner entry and exit earlier that say someone in cockpit view because as you rightfully point out, they can see sod all in cockpit mode....? I've said that twice man. It provides a better view of the track. I've said that all along Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra3142 384 Posted July 25 I don't think anybody is disputing that it's easier to drive using T-cam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir_Overtakesalot 199 Posted July 25 (edited) 2 minutes ago, USPBauer24 said: upload image God I love Mr Bean. I'm not surprised to see he uses real life T-Cam lol Edited July 25 by Mike5500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SIMRACER123 355 Posted July 25 20 minutes ago, Mike5500 said: I've said that twice man. It provides a better view of the track. I've said that all along Good. So you acknowledge it's quicker then and essentially a user view assist.... Got there in the end. That was hard work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krisperfectline 63 Posted July 25 They should enforce the rules to only cockpit cam to make it realistic. I use cockpit cam, unadjusted, and I can race on 105% ai on 50% races, and on a pad with no assists. I believe that if people can drive using cockpit cam, then the esports drivers should have no problem adapting to it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir_Overtakesalot 199 Posted July 25 7 minutes ago, SIMRACER123 said: Good. So you acknowledge it's quicker then and essentially a user view assist.... Got there in the end. That was hard work. Got where in the end? If you want to call it an Assist that's fine. You're literally trying to put words in my mouth so you feel like you've somehow came out on top here. Again.. agree to disagree because you think it's an Assist and i don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra3142 384 Posted July 25 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Krisperfectline said: They should enforce the rules to only cockpit cam to make it realistic. I use cockpit cam, unadjusted, and I can race on 105% ai on 50% races, and on a pad with no assists. I believe that if people can drive using cockpit cam, then the esports drivers should have no problem adapting to it. Using a pad and arguing for realism? 🙂 FWIW why I'm not convinced eSports 'should' use cockpit cam as I'm not convinced the lack of depth perception doesn't make it unrealistically difficult. Edited July 25 by Ultra3142 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
